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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Tournaments should be plan B and be used strategically to gain influence. An international tennis league is a business in its own right. And would conflict directly with the ATP.

PTPA might be here to stay, or not.
If it survives, there will eventually be PTPA tournaments. I hope it would be an international tennis league, including both men and women, singles and doubles, played around the world. I'll pay to watch.
 

Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru
"Rafa, Djoker is starting something called PTPA. Should we join?"
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Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
PTPA might be here to stay, or not.
If it survives, there will eventually be PTPA tournaments.

At this point, are the lower ranking players (#100-#1000) being asked to commit to Djoker and TPTA?

What percent of the Top 1000 support TPTA?
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
There are always players' meetings tha occur with slams as that's when large number of players gather in one place.

If slams cancel the event on site. the players will go off site and shame the tournament for pettiness in the process.

The USO made a wise choice.

Osaka is even wearing quite clearly political face masks, and they are not going to ban them either unsurprisingly.
 
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clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru

PTPA might be here to stay, or not.
If it survives, there will eventually be PTPA tournaments. I hope it would be an international tennis league, including both men and women, singles and doubles, played around the world. I'll pay to watch.

Djokovic:
“They think that ATP cannot co-exist with the association. I have to respectfully disagree," he said. "Legally we are 100% safe and we are allowed to form the player association.
This is not a union. This is player association. So we are not calling for boycotts. We are not forming parallel tours."
 
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airchallenge2

Hall of Fame
Without boycotts and a parallel tour the PTPA is as toothless as the members of the players’ council. In fact, the ATP is less likely to listen to anything they have to say.

What would be their line of communication with the ATP Board?

He forgot to add "yet". He meant: "we are not calling for boycotts, yet" ;)
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic should take heed. He couldn't even keep the Serbian Open, owned by his family and only a 250 tournament, going for more than 3 years. How on earth is he going to be able to have a parallel tour to rival the ATP?

 
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clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
There is a lot to be put right in how professional tennis is run but knowing what to do about it is the problem. Short of ALL the players withdrawing their labour, nothing will change. Top players have lengthy sponsorship contracts which may not allow them to boycott tournaments or even resign from the ATP. It's not that simple.

In 1972 when the first players' association was formed, players didn't have the level of sponsorship they have now.
 

uscwang

Hall of Fame
Without boycotts and a parallel tour the PTPA is as toothless as the members of the players’ council. In fact, the ATP is less likely to listen to anything they have to say.

What would be their line of communication with the ATP Board?
Agree. Go for peace but be prepared for war.
It has to have its own tournament, like a club-based PTPA Cup. Can be an exhibition event in Asia in December.
 
PTPA just became official 2 days ago and people already want "action" and plans spelled out for general public. :rolleyes: The more players join, more powerful and capable of action will the PTPA be.
 

uscwang

Hall of Fame
PTPA just became official 2 days ago and people already want "action" and plans spelled out for general public. :rolleyes: The more players join, more powerful and capable of action will the PTPA be.

PTPA would likely fail if it follows the union model from 1800s to just fight for a bigger slice of the tennis cake.
PTPA would likely succeed if it takes a players-driven approach to reforming and revitalizing tennis, which we all know is aging rapidly with its fan base.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The new body is not about reforming and revitalising tennis. This is the ATP's role. The new body will have an input but it is not a business.

Its function is to represent the players' interest in the process, and that includes a bigger slice.

PTPA would likely fail if it follows the union model from 1800s to just fight for a bigger slice of the tennis cake.
PTPA would likely succeed if it takes a players-driven approach to reforming and revitalizing tennis, which we all know is aging rapidly with its fan base.
 

dahcovixx

Professional
PTPA just became official 2 days ago and people already want "action" and plans spelled out for general public. :rolleyes: The more players join, more powerful and capable of action will the PTPA be.

When you become official, you must have a providence. A founding statement, so far i only see complaints, not solutions to the problem stated.

Much like politics, repeating the problem as a talking point gets us no where. I would like to hear X is the problem, Y is the solution.

To hear people constantly complain, makes me think they are being paid by the w3rd :p
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
PTPA just became official 2 days ago and people already want "action" and plans spelled out for general public. :rolleyes: The more players join, more powerful and capable of action will the PTPA be.
It's just that the parameters that Djokovic has set do not bode well for any meaningful action the PTPA might take - no boycott and no parallel tour. How exactly are they going to wield any influence? They couldn't do that when they were actually on the board even though Djokovic had enough influence to get rid of Chris Kermode. Unfortunately, he was unable to instal his preferred candidate, Gimelstob. That might also be the reason, he has taken the ump.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
The PTPA said in a document that the goal of their organisation was "not to replace" the ATP but to "provide players with a self-governance structure that is independent from the ATP and is directly responsive to player-members needs and concerns".

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How is the PTPA going to provide self-governance that is independent of the ATP? Are they going to have their own code of conduct, their own rule book, award their own prize money, their own ranking system etc.?

Lots of unanswered questions.
 
ok boomer.
let's wait some 10 - 20 years before asking for results.
I'm sure current players will be happy about it.
10/20 years? Quality of your posting has gone down the drain and worse. Try not acting like a petulant child.
When you become official, you must have a providence. A founding statement, so far i only see complaints, not solutions to the problem stated.

Much like politics, repeating the problem as a talking point gets us no where. I would like to hear X is the problem, Y is the solution.

To hear people constantly complain, makes me think they are being paid by the w3rd :p
"Constantly complain" - they formed 2 days ago.

Solution is to get ATP and tournaments to respect players more and don't make decisions that go over their heads. Solutions can come out of negotiating. PTPA can't magically create solutions.
 
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
It's a no to all that.

Self-governance simply means that the members set the agenda.

An agenda that they take into negotiations.

ATP and slam rule books remain within the control of already existing organisations.

The PTPA said in a document that the goal of their organisation was "not to replace" the ATP but to "provide players with a self-governance structure that is independent from the ATP and is directly responsive to player-members needs and concerns".

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How is the PTPA going to provide self-governance that is independent of the ATP? Are they going to have their own code of conduct, their own rule book, award their own prize money, their own ranking system etc.?

Lots of unanswered questions.
 
so when shall we expect results?
can you provide a timeline?
and ideally what kind of tangible results should we expect?
Did you even read what you quoted? You can get those answers only with time and from PTPA. You're acting like this association existed for years and hasn't shown any results.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
They are being disingenuous. They want it to fail mostly because they like to see Djokovic fail. So they set out impossible demands for concreteness that no new organisation could meet.

PTPA just became official 2 days ago and people already want "action" and plans spelled out for general public. :rolleyes: The more players join, more powerful and capable of action will the PTPA be.
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
They are being disingenuous. They want it to fail mostly because they like to see Djokovic fail. So they set out impossible demands for concreteness.

no Bart.
If you check my posts, you will see that I talked about the problem of prize money for lower ranked players long before PTPA was announced.
I fear that Novak will fail, cause it is so vague, and cause he already failed at negotiations while being elected President of Player Council.
And if he fails, I wouldn't be surprised to see how ATP changes the rules and closes the door for anything similar to this association in future.

and by the way, they talk about prize money for lower ranked players, but nothing about Challenger Tournaments, Futures Tournaments.
so far all discussion around GS / ATP level.
that has little or nothing to do with prize money for lower ranked players.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
YES. If I am agreeing with Born then there is no way we are both wrong. Together we span almost the entire intellectual universe.

no Bart.
If you check my posts, you will see that I talked about the problem of prize money for lower ranked players long before PTPA was announced.
I fear that Novak will fail, cause it is so vague, and cause he already failed at negotiations while being elected President of Player Council.
And if he fails, I wouldn't be surprised to see how ATP changes the rules and closes the door for anything similar to this association in future.

and by the way, they talk about prize money for lower ranked players, but nothing about Challenger Tournaments, Futures Tournaments.
so far all discussion around GS / ATP level.
that has little or nothing to do with prize money for lower ranked players.
 
that's precisely the recipe for failure.
trust us and don't ask questions.
Only reason for your mistrust is your prejudice. Besides, no one asked you to trust them.

It's association by the players, for the players. Yes, it can fail. No, you can' tell anything objective about it's efficacy after 2 days.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
10/20 years? Quality of your posting has gone down the drain and worse. Try not acting like a petulant child.

"Constantly complain" - they formed 2 days ago.

Solution is to get ATP and tournaments to respect players more and don't make decisions that go over their heads. Solutions can come out of negotiating. PTPA can't magically create solutions.
The players' council has always negotiated with the ATP and their demands have not been granted, in the main. The PTPA will just be an outside body putting their demands to the ATP and the players' council will still be doing the same. I don't see how the PTPA can be more effective without taking an 'all out' strike action.

If the members of the PTPA boycott the tournaments, there'll be plenty of players taking their place in the draw headed by the two biggest box office tennis stars. You only need Nadal and Federer on the flyers for a box office sell-out. No one will care that Djokovic is on strike, or Pospisil, or Isner, or Raonic or Hurkacz.
 
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clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Only reason for your mistrust is your prejudice. Besides, no one asked you to trust them.

It's association by the players, for the players. Yes, it can fail. No, you can' tell anything objective about its efficacy after 2 days.
They should have a framework of how they want to achieve their objectives before they launch the association. It a bit like thinking you are fit just because you've joined the gym even if you never go there.
 
The players' council has always negotiated with the ATP and their demands have not been granted, in the main. The PTPA will just be an outside body putting their demands to the ATP and the players' council will still be doing the same. I don't see how the PTPA can be more effective without taking an 'all out' strike action.

If the members of the PTPA boycott the tournaments, there'll be plenty of players taking their place in the draw headed by the two biggest box office tennis stars. You only need Nadal and Federer on the flyers for a box office sell-out. No one will care that Djokovic is on strike, or Pospisil, or Isner, or Raonic or Hurkacz.
We'll see how the situation will evolve. I think it would be damaging for Fedal's legacy not to join PTPA if it gains traction with most of the players on tour.
They should have a framework of how they want to achieve their objectives before they launch the association. It a bit like thinking you are fit just because you've joined the gym even if you never go there.
Not spelling out their framework for general public and not having it is not the same. PTPA can at first be something fringe, then develop into something influential. If they don't have much power yet, it would be unrealistic to set lofty goals. Player's council, otoh, is a dead end (for players' demands).
 
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