PTPA news

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
You have more to worry about than Naomi Osaka.

Don't know what this means as there is nothing more important than the integrity of a tournament. Having a player go rogue and contrary to the wishes of the vast majority of players is simply not acceptable.

But we surmise from your "like" that you are finally beginning to learn something.
Maybe there is hope for you after all.
:rolleyes:

 

Alba Barragan

Professional
The question is why does the PTPA get criticised, by Murray and Woodbridge for example, for not having women when the ATP does not? I am not advocating for female inclusion here.
It has. Every time the creation and legacy of the WTA are discussed, it always goes back to all male tennis players organizations not including women or giving them proper treatment. Every time equal pay, court assignments, TV coverage, etc. are discussed, it's the same thing. Even when the talks for the cooperation started, despite having big figures like BJK herself rooting for it, many fans and journalists were (and still are) against the idea of a merger precisely because of the way the ATP, its players, and tournament directors have treated women's tennis.

It's only natural this criticism is brought up when yet another players association is founded and once again women are put aside. It's not like one of ATP or the PTPA is the villain to women's tennis while the other is its champion. It's the overall attitude that's prevalent in men's tennis and that both display. None of them is free of it.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I think the criticism is opportunistic, rather than sincere. And if you look at Djokovic's video you'll see that Sloane is collecting female signatures and Serena Williams is helping.

So the thing is that women have to organise themselves, not men do it for them, and your assumption that they are 'put aside' again makes them too much the passive victim.

There is no reason that women can't be in the Association for the simple reason that it is separate from both tours. But their level of support for the idea has yet to be tested.

It has. Every time the creation and legacy of the WTA are discussed, it always goes back to all male tennis players organizations not including women or giving them proper treatment. Every time equal pay, court assignments, TV coverage, etc. are discussed, it's the same thing. Even when the talks for the cooperation started, despite having big figures like BJK herself rooting for it, many fans and journalists were (and still are) against the idea of a merger precisely because of the way the ATP, its players, and tournament directors have treated women's tennis.

It's only natural this criticism is brought up when yet another players association is founded and once again women are put aside. It's not like one of ATP or the PTPA is the villain to women's tennis while the other is its champion. It's the overall attitude that's prevalent in men's tennis and that both display. None of them is free of it.
 
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Navdeep Srivastava

Guest
My comment is copy and paste from other site so don't know much correct that is ,if found incorrect I will delete my comment
Comments (translated) from Matteo Berrettini about Novak Djokovic:

" I signed ptpa, I think it's an awesome initiative. I talked to the Italian players and everyone will sign. I don't understand all those attacks on Novak, I know him well and I know only one thing; he does everything to help others and on his own damage.I appreciate all people, but for me he is the best tennis player for me is also the best man. I don't understand how he withstands all these pressures, but there is also its size.

This has been planned for years but no one has moved a finger. He is criticized by those who did not understand what this was (the best thing ever done for all men and women's tennis players) and those who are afraid that this will do some damage, of course, the cash ended, that of course, the cash ended.

Well, the cap down and thank you. You can't buy honesty and mind, either you have it or not. This guy has both.”
 

uscwang

Hall of Fame
My comment is copy and paste from other site so don't know much correct that is ,if found incorrect I will delete my comment
Comments (translated) from Matteo Berrettini about Novak Djokovic:

" I signed ptpa, I think it's an awesome initiative. I talked to the Italian players and everyone will sign. I don't understand all those attacks on Novak, I know him well and I know only one thing; he does everything to help others and on his own damage.I appreciate all people, but for me he is the best tennis player for me is also the best man. I don't understand how he withstands all these pressures, but there is also its size.

This has been planned for years but no one has moved a finger. He is criticized by those who did not understand what this was (the best thing ever done for all men and women's tennis players) and those who are afraid that this will do some damage, of course, the cash ended, that of course, the cash ended.

Well, the cap down and thank you. You can't buy honesty and mind, either you have it or not. This guy has both.”
"You can't buy honesty and mind, either you have it or not."
 

Alba Barragan

Professional
I think the criticism is opportunistic, rather than sincere. And if you look at Djokovic's video you'll see that Sloane is collecting female signatures and Serena Williams is helping.

So the thing is that women have to organise themselves, not men do it for them, and your assumption that they are 'put aside' again makes them too much the passive victim.

There is no reason that women can't be in the Association for the simple reason that it is separate from both tours. But their level of support for the idea has yet to be tested.
I think it's a mix of both. We have a new association of players that's founded with zero women in it despite having women in action behind the scenes. Why they didn't sign, why they weren't included from the start, that's irrelevant for the fans, journalists, anyone. The fact is they're not founding members. The fact is the 'first-class' of the association is a picture with 50+ players, all men. Those facts alone don't look good.

Some people are talking about it from a place of genuine concern about the lack of representation women have in sports, and that's valid. For them, it's not about trashing the PTPA for the sake of it, it's pointing an issue that's real, an issue that lead to the ATP and all its tournaments, players, etc. treating women's tennis as something less: not considering them from the very begining. Seeing them as 'well, they'll follow after we're done with the preparations', expecting them to have no voice on how to build it.

And from that valid criticism, of course the opportunistics will come. Obssesive fedal fans, or people who are against Novak and just want to see this fail, they will take a real issue and use it as a flag to undermine a good movement. I'm certain some pro-ATP media/journalists are taking it as an approach to talk bad about the PTPA as we speak. Articles with that sentiment are already out.

Which leads me to my biggest issue with the PTPA: how undercooked everything looks. 'Cause if they have been working a couple of years, or maybe just even months on this, they should've seen this coming. They're going against the ATP, a gigantic association that has a huge part of the sport in its bag, that's going to do its best to keep things with the order it wants. Why risk being portayed as 'anti-women' or whatever they want to call it when they could've just reach out from the beggining to Serena and Sloane, get some women to work with them from the start, and avoid all of it?
 

uscwang

Hall of Fame
I think it's a mix of both. We have a new association of players that's founded with zero women in it despite having women in action behind the scenes. Why they didn't sign, why they weren't included from the start, that's irrelevant for the fans, journalists, anyone. The fact is they're not founding members. The fact is the 'first-class' of the association is a picture with 50+ players, all men. Those facts alone don't look good.

Some people are talking about it from a place of genuine concern about the lack of representation women have in sports, and that's valid. For them, it's not about trashing the PTPA for the sake of it, it's pointing an issue that's real, an issue that lead to the ATP and all its tournaments, players, etc. treating women's tennis as something less: not considering them from the very begining. Seeing them as 'well, they'll follow after we're done with the preparations', expecting them to have no voice on how to build it.

And from that valid criticism, of course the opportunistics will come. Obssesive fedal fans, or people who are against Novak and just want to see this fail, they will take a real issue and use it as a flag to undermine a good movement. I'm certain some pro-ATP media/journalists are taking it as an approach to talk bad about the PTPA as we speak. Articles with that sentiment are already out.

Which leads me to my biggest issue with the PTPA: how undercooked everything looks. 'Cause if they have been working a couple of years, or maybe just even months on this, they should've seen this coming. They're going against the ATP, a gigantic association that has a huge part of the sport in its bag, that's going to do its best to keep things with the order it wants. Why risk being portayed as 'anti-women' or whatever they want to call it when they could've just reach out from the beggining to Serena and Sloane, get some women to work with them from the start, and avoid all of it?

Have you been in charge of organizing any associations or events involving 100+ people in real life?
 

Alba Barragan

Professional
Have you been in charge of organizing any associations or events involving 100+ people in real life?

Yes, 250+ even. But you should also take into consideration I'm a 22 years old student that's been in charge of organizing school-like events that, no matter how huge the projection of them can be, can't be compared to trying to go head to head to an association like the ATP. Which, again, leads to my point- why does the PTPA look so undercooked? It's a big deal what they're doing. They can't just launch something without having considered all possible scenarios. They knew they were going to have detractors, many of them very powerful, why give them more weapons to undermine the movement?
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
Why risk being portayed as 'anti-women' or whatever they want to call it when they could've just reach out from the beggining to Serena and Sloane, get some women to work with them from the start, and avoid all of it?

It is not clear whether the organizational structure and the situation with the WTA mirrors the ATP's current problems. Maybe the WTA players are happier and have better representation than the ATP players.
 

Alba Barragan

Professional
It is not clear whether the organizational structure and the situation with the WTA mirrors the ATP's current problems. Maybe the WTA players are happier and have better representation than the ATP players.
That's exactly what I think. The dynamics between the WTA and its players appear to be different. Of course, they have many reasons to feel like they're not being heard or like they're not getting enough money, but the WTA was literally founded to give voices to women players, its main purpose is to put them on a leveled field when dealing with the tournaments, get them the same opportunities, prize money, coverage, and so on, and they're still working on that mission.

For a long time that was a hard thing to achieve because of the way the ATP saw women's tennis, and the way they treated their own growth in the sport: as a competition between the two brands, competing with the WTA for the main spots. But with someone like Gaudenzi in charge, this appears to be changing. You know, 'we're stronger together' and all that. Selling the sport as one big package. I don't really see the WTA and its players doing anything that could interfere with that cooperation. Which is why I don't buy many women being involved with the PTPA.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
"There are around 200 WTA players that signed."
Will this bring Murray on board?


 

guanzishou

G.O.A.T.
I've just visited their website and their Twitter.

Why would they put this (see below) on their Twitter? Don't they want to reach out to more players? Founded by Djokovic and Pospisil, tweet something about Djokovic.... This feels like me, me, me. Why don't they tweet something about Artem Bahmet or something else for heaven's sake. From the players, for the players.

 
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