Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by CMM, Feb 7, 2013.
But but but Rafa is a client of Fuentes!!!
How else can you explain the continuous beatings he gives Federer in majors?
Nadal seems quite confident that his name his not on Fuentes' list. Almost overly confident, wouldn't you say?
He's not doping.
Who Lance? You could be right, he's passed all the tests. Oh wait...
Federer doesn't seem to be saying anything about it...
Kinda like the guys who actually get action never talk about it :razz:
Well played by rafa.
But then again, there is less than a snowball's chance in hell the names would be released.
He knows that the names will not be released, and even if they are the Spanish federation will do its best to hide his.....so he is speaking out without any fear like he is innocent.
and this is a never ending story if people believes that he´s guilty he is so...........they don´t need proof, they just labeled him so.... and there´s way to change that.
Or Is there a way? just asking...:???:
i missed a word:twisted:
You sound like one of those who claimed Lance was innocent
Good interview from Rafa - he's confident his name isn't on the list. His fans were right all along.
The doping allegations surrounding him since he burst on the scene have now been proven to be drummed up by *******s worldwide.
well then I guess Uncle Foni got his junk elsewhere.
Nadal will regret this if Fuentes actually named names. But I think he knows Fuentes won't do it.
Spanis government appears to involved in the coverup
I guess the Spanish government is also going the way of the USA - they only want to hear about the cyclists.
It would have been best if the whole truth came out - but that is asking for too much.
But I am not too sure if you can be a top athlete and compete without taking PE drugs. Maybe it's time to make them legal and administer them using proper medical professionals.
If Nadal is proven to be doping, the sport of Tennis burns! We know the ATP cannot allow that to happen. No way will Nadal ever be named.
Lance Armstrong got burned, didn't he? Even other cyclists like Jan Ullrich as well. A nuclear bomb has been exploded inside the sport of cycling.
Yep. Makes you wonder whether they're just trolling or just so dumb they can't notice the nonsense they're talking...
This place is loaded with too many Nadal threads.
Not surprising considering he just got back to tennis after a half year absence.
Good for Nadal for saying this. Although its completely meaningless since a PR statement from Nadal is not gonna overturn a legal order given by a Spanish judge.
yes because if he's named, he'll squeal like a pig and the sport will be done.
According to some people, doping must be rampant in tennis because it is on cycling, and yet tennis becomes completely different when it comes to the willingness of its authorities to unveil it.
But, for the sake of the all-important fairness towards everybody, let us see if he will campaign in Spain for a full disclosure of all the names on the Fuentes List.
Being ignorant (in this particular case, but also in general) doesn't make you right.
We really need one thread on doping. It's kind of ruining the experience here.
I would like to know exactly what happened there. I mean, did someone ask for info from the legal case and it was denied by the judge?. If so who asked?. Or did the judge refuse to ask him who else was involved (which seems unlikely). Was it people who was mentioned but they were not found to be involved according to the evidence?.
There's just so much speculation.
The darkest place is under the candlestick. Good move, Rafa.
If Nadal has never doped he must be mad as hell, he gets accused in the press then this case with spanish players being protected which is gonna cast futher speculation on him, where if they actually revealed the list of players and he's not on it, that would have the opposite effect. Don't understand the full details of the case, but it seems like it would be a good idea to reveal the names.
Even revealing the names is not actual proof of doping.
It isn't, so it isn't so simple.
But as Mustard said, such a list is not some kind of irrefutable proof.
We don't even know what kind of list we're talking about. A list that existed prior to the trial?, a list compiled during the trial with what that doctor said then?, with what other people said?. If it is an actual list that Dr. Fuentes kept, does it have actual names or just stuff like initials?.
I seem to remember the blood they found was labelled with initials, and many athletes were cleared, it being decided at least that it couldn't be established whether it belonged to them or the initials referred to them?.
Rafa doesn't make it easy on himself at all, does he? He's complained in the past about being tested for drugs (now an about-face like his buddy Murray), defended guilty parties i.e Contador & Gasquet & his agent has threatened to sue people the speculate about him & PEDS. He actually threatened to sue the newspapers when rumours had him on the Fuentes list, but didn't.
Seems to me he's not that mad at all...
I agree with Nadal but people are misunderstanding the Fuentes case. Fuentes is on trial for possibly bringing his patient's health in danger not for doping which was not an offense at the time.
Lance Armstrong begged to be tested, too.
I think all of the Big 4 are doping. If 1 is, they all have to be.
He says he also doped up footballers and tennis players, are they immune to drug side effects?
Nobody knows what is real and what is not with Fuentes. He likes to play games with the court and media. But again that is not the purpose of the trial.
Yeah, Al Capone was also charged of tax evasion.
I guess he was an otherwise decent citizen.
The Italian IOC asked the judge to ask Fuentes for the information, but the judge refused to do so.
Witness testimonies are legal evidence.
Well, except in Musterland.
The whole Fuentes trial is a big deal in Spain and anything Rafa says gets huge publicity. Most of what you read is a translation of what has already been published in Spain, so yes, Rafa's request for full disclosure would be very widely known.
Some people need to fall off of a cliff in order to be convinced of gravity.
I have a hard time imagining Nadal going publicly against dopers in Spain.
After the support he gave to his fellow contryman, and, at the time, ALREADY convicted doper Señor Contador.
Why do people have to be so jaded? The easy explanation is that Nadal didn't know Contador had "doped". By the way, Contador's conviction is a joke. Many people (even doping authorities) believe the meat tainting theory to be plausible. And the levels of Clembuterol in Contador's blood were negligible.
I like his response to the silent ban allegations as well. He sounds pretty annoyed with the constant rumours, I don't blame him.
It's not like that's the first time this happened. Nadal also defended Gasquet, and invented the whole "got cocaine because of a kiss in a club" theory which Gasquet used.
And honestly, if someone is caught doing drugs, you think they will provide an excuse which is not plausible? You think Contador was gonna say "oh, it's because I was attacked by space aliens who injected me with drugs because they wanted to test it's effects on humans"?
The first thing they will do on being caught is figure out what a plausible excuse would be, and use that.
All I'm saying is that accusing people of doing anything is easy. Providing proof is what's difficult.
I think Contador probably has doped in the past somehow, just not with Clembuterol, which is what he was convicted of. That's just plain stupid. Doping is probably far more prevalent in cycling than it is in tennis, and there are very good reasons for that.
As for Nadal, I really don't see him being a doper. But if anybody knows better, prove me wrong.
It's called cycling for a reason.
Probably 90% of cyclists dope. That sport is pure physical effort with little skill involved.
That is why the outrage over the Armstrong debacle amuses me. I have close friends that were SHOCKED at what he did. They believed that because he got over cancer he must be a good and "clean" guy. I always thought that this was a joke in a sport where so many have been busted over the years for doping and many,many more have always been suspected.
Jesus, just look at the huge list for doping scandals in cycling:
Nadal expressed his support AFTER Contador was convicted, but, nice try, YouCantBeSerious.
Yeah, I will take your word over the word of the judges from CAS, because you are more qualified and knowledgeable than them.
Oh, wait .......
"I [Rafa] don't understand why doctor Fuentes is not giving names."
If they can quiet Frankie Pentangeli they can quiet Eufemiano Fuentes.
Of course it is easier to make accusations as opposed to providing proof. Why do you think it took so long to figure out Armstrong, and all those baseball players were doping?
However, anyone who is interested in pro sports, who thinks that we should hold players to an innocent until proven guilty standard is just deluding themselves. Frankly, unless the sport has taken great efforts to root out doping (eg cycling lately) or you are talking about just the Olympics (beginning from 2012, where blood samples are now being retained for an extended period of time) pretty much every pro athlete in every pro sport is well deserving of any doping accusations.
It doesn't mean I don't enjoy the sports. It just means that I don't delude myself into thinking they aren't likely cheating. And because of their comments, actions, and mysterious absences, I think some players are more likely to be cheating (eg. I always thought it was far more likely ARod, who was just a HR hitter, was far more likely to be doping than Jeter, who could barely hit a HR to save his life).
Anyone who thinks otherwise about any pro sport has either not thought about the doping issue, or is hopelessly naive.
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