Punching power

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  1. Raul_SJ

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    Zero experience with punching but would a martial arts/boxing instructor be able to quickly tell if I am capable of learning to deliver a respectable fist punch?

    I suspect my punch is very weak due to many factors, including very thin wrists and thin fingers.
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    6 foot 0 185 lbs. longer arms than normal.
     
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  2. onehandbh

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    Go to an boxing gym and challenge a guy there to a 3 round fight.
    You will find out if you are a ONE PUNCH MAN.
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    perhaps you can be respected in some other way??
     
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  4. IA-SteveB

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    Who are you planning to fight? If he is glass jawed you may not need any heavy bag work.
     
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  5. nytennisaddict

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    like tennis, anyone can train to throw a 4.0 level jab, cross, hook.
    long gorilla arms, means that if you have a good jab (and footwork), you'll be able to keep a little guy like me, away indefinitely.
     
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  6. onehandbh

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    But you could just barrel in and tackle the gorilla-armed guy.
     
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  7. IowaGuy

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    That strategy didn't work so well for Eddie Richardson :)

     
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  8. nytennisaddict

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    that's actually my tactic, in boxing, against everyone (since everyone is taller than me) - not that it's always effective, but i certainly can't hit you from the outside if you have longer reach than me :p
    while the strat didn't work against tyson in that fight, it's generally an effective strat to focus on for taller boxers, because it gives you time.
    later, tyson ends up losing to guys like holmes, lewis,... because they'd box him from the outside,... wait for him to charge into short-punching range, then they closed the distance even further to grappling/clinch range (ie. shutting down tyson's big power shots by tying up, waiting for the ref to break them up)
     
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  9. nytennisaddict

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    sure but now we're going into a "what if" convo... there's always to counters to counters to counters, etc...
    depends on who can impose their aggression, physicality, technique, etc.. better.

    anywho, back to the OP... why are you asking about throwing punches? smells like there is more to this question...
     
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    I'm the last guy to start anything. Long story short he is a distant relative that has swindled from the family inheritance. The guy is a hothead and just no good.

    Last time we were in the same room years ago he came up to me but people quickly separated us. I am sure it will happen again if we are in the same room again.
    I want to stand my ground and keep my self-respect and know that my punch has some bite.

    He is about 5'6" and very obese. I would guess at least 260 lbs maybe closer to 280. So he is six inches shorter and outweighs me by at least 75 pounds. I don't know him that well but I suppose I may be quicker than him since he is so heavy. But who knows.

    I have heard that hands are quicker than the eyes so I don't really get how to see punches coming and how to block and how to throw a punch. Everything happens so damn fast.

    Even in the Tyson clip, the big guy looks like he did nothing wrong -- throws a somewhat decent left jab but before he has a chance to recover and protect his face, Tyson nails him square in the face.

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  11. dgold44

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    Very easy solution
    Hire a boxing coach and in 3 months you will be shocked
    Hell I would gladly show you myself but Iive in Vegas
     
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    Do you still practice your old days of striking or is that long ago ??
     
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    It’s weak only because of technique
     
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  14. nytennisaddict

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    first thing to learn, is not to punch but how to move...
    if you start feeling like there's gonna be a confrontation (a dead give away will be when someone stands sideways from you, vs. squared - google "street fight signs of aggression") - start circling
    the main thing is you need to prevent a hostile person from getting inside your reactionary gap (google it), otherwise, no martial art technique will save you.

    personally if i outweighed you, and let's say i had little training, i'd probably crash into you with strikes (the less training one has, the more the punch will be a haymaker) and look to take you down (ie. to ground and pound). while your long arms give you distance, once i get inside, your long arms have little effect (for punching)
    if i were you, i'd stay up, circle, keep distance (with a jab), and make butter bean (google him too!), gas out from throwing wild punches

    from a tactical tools perspective, for this, and any street encounter... i would not focus on punches (ie. if i tuck my chin like any ok boxer, you'll hit the top of my head, which won't hurt me, and you'll break your hand)
    for your, mr. tall guy... if you don't want to invest in training, for this particular type of encounter, i'd focus on:
    1. movement (staying out of his range, but still within your range - distance control, like tennis is the key to any good fighter, no matter the style)
    2. eye jab... (not closed fist, target eyes...)
    3. right down elbow
    4. left up elbow
    5. knee (brutal, especially if you have long legs, against little guys intent on getting inside your punching range)
    if you are gonna focus on throwing punches (cuz that's all you know), at least practice by targeting soft targets like the neck and body... unless you're walking around with your hands wrapped up :p

    my $0.02 (or at least what i'm willing to spend time writing... :p)

    that clip shows the big guy not fully appreciating tyson's speed. the faster your opponent, the more space you need to keep them out of your reactionary gap. if you watch a typical heavyweight fight (not champ level), the guys hit hard, but they are kinda slow and lumbering. tyson was an anomaly, in that he was fighting with the speed of a light or middleweight, and the power of a heavyweight (youtube some of tyson's training vids... he is scary fast). good news, is that your butter-bean fella will probably not have tyson speed, but just make sure you give yourself space.

    alternatively, rather than waiting to react, if butter bean charges you, and it's clear what the intent is, strike first, but make sure you finish with a flurry until he's down
     
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  15. nytennisaddict

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    just did yesterday :) i was withering in the heat/humidity too
     
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    Awhile back when Tyson was fighting in Japan he demonstrated his speed during an interview. He loves pigeons and in the middle of the interview, he reaches down and picks up a wild pidgeon from the ground without hurting it. He's got some seriously fast hands.
     
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  17. nytennisaddict

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    never heard that before... but yeah, fast.
    rocky only chased chickens, pigeons, is next level aviary training :p
     
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  18. MotoboXer

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    Your longer arms means you can hit hard because of leverage. Throw everything with speed while keeping your arms and especially shoulders relaxed.
    You being the same size as Sampras with arms being longer than they should also means its possible for you to hit that Sampras serve.
     
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  19. Arvid

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    First of all punch power can be achieved with training and proper technique, but to achieve crazy power like Tyson, George Foreman or the skinny but lethaly hard punching Julian Jackson to name a few(check som of his old fights on the tube for some incredible kos)you also have to have the genetics for it. Having said that some things are worth getting into a fight for, but i seriously doubt this one of those things. This guy is obviously a major ****** bag for what he did, but you know what, hes not even worth youre effort, you should stand youre ground and tell him what you think and if he wants to get into it let him have it, but you should really try to avoid a physical altercation. The reason why is you never know what price youre gone end up paying for it. The guy is a jerk, you kick his but and he files a lawsuit against you, never know where that it going to end up. After all that is said and done youre gone stand there and ask youreself if it was worth it and the answer is going to be no how could it be worth it hes and idiot that screwed up peoples lives and if he gets the chance he will surely screw up youres to. What would you win by kicking his but? Very little most definately everyone already knows what he did....dont waste youre energy on this ****** is my advice but of course if you cant avoid it go for straight punches, you have longer reach which means you will hit him before he hits you(unless he can bob and weave like Tyson that i seriously doubt)
     
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  20. nytennisaddict

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    given the moral code that stubby tubby boy seems to live by... 100% he will ambush the OP with a sucker punch, or choke from behind, if there were to be any type of physical altercation, so OP, be on guard, read the signs ahead of time, and act accordingly.
     
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  21. FiReFTW

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    Aim for weak points.

    Neck/throat
    Collarbone
    Solar plexus
    Groin
    Shins
    Knees
     
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  22. gut wax

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    forearm _ wrist _ hand

    Top of ^that^ sequence of connections needs to be flat.

    Point of contact is no more at the *end* of a punch than a tennis/golf/baseball swing is at moment of impact.

    Unless you're bunting, in which case, run away as fast as you can.

    "That is not the point. I am superior to all posters on the forum, that is the main thing." - sureshs
     
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