Punishment for RG? No points for 2020 and 2021 if they hold it in Sept.

ForehandCross

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According to Hordoff, the grass-court season will be a write-off in 2020, with all tournaments waiting for Wimbledon to announce the cancelation of the tournament next Wednesday to make their decision official. “It’s the only decision that makes sense,” said the German executive “it is possible to play on clay later in the year, but it is not possible to have tournaments on grass in October, you can’t play on grass when it is moist”.


But the juiciest bits of the interview described with an abundance of details the reactions to the French Federation’s decision to unilaterally postpone the Roland Garros to late September (20 September – 4 October) without waiting to reach a consensus among the ATP, the WTA and the other Grand Slam tournament. “This is not the French way of doing things, it’s Bernard Giudicelli’s way of doing things”, said Hordoff. The FFT President Giudicelli reportedly forced the decision upon the other tournaments, uploading the press release to announce the decision while he was on a conference call with other tennis executives. “I believe he panicked because of the elections coming up [in February 2021] and wanted to score some points on his opponent” reported Hordoff. His decision to also cancel the qualifying tournament was intended to be a “biscuit” for the ITF President David Haggerty, since it would make the Davis Cup Finals in Madrid in November even more financially attractive to all the players who did not have the opportunity to earn money with the Roland Garros qualifying tournament. “He hoped to have the ITF on his side, but now he is alone against the rest of the world,” said Hordoff, adding that the ATP is threatening to remove the ranking points assigned to Roland Garros for both 2020 and 2021.



Well this is something. A slam without points.
 

kevaninho

Hall of Fame
Im sure the big guns only care about actually adding another slam to their tally.
Points are irrelevant this season.
 

Jaitock1991

Hall of Fame
Pro-Federer mafia is in panic. They can stick their points in their arse and show how pathetic they are, the only thing players will care about after half a year of no tennis is getting prize money.

Yeah. I'm sure this is all about Roger.
 

octobrina10

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According to Hordoff, the grass-court season will be a write-off in 2020, with all tournaments waiting for Wimbledon to announce the cancelation of the tournament next Wednesday to make their decision official. “It’s the only decision that makes sense,” said the German executive “it is possible to play on clay later in the year, but it is not possible to have tournaments on grass in October, you can’t play on grass when it is moist”.


But the juiciest bits of the interview described with an abundance of details the reactions to the French Federation’s decision to unilaterally postpone the Roland Garros to late September (20 September – 4 October) without waiting to reach a consensus among the ATP, the WTA and the other Grand Slam tournament. “This is not the French way of doing things, it’s Bernard Giudicelli’s way of doing things”, said Hordoff. The FFT President Giudicelli reportedly forced the decision upon the other tournaments, uploading the press release to announce the decision while he was on a conference call with other tennis executives. “I believe he panicked because of the elections coming up [in February 2021] and wanted to score some points on his opponent” reported Hordoff. His decision to also cancel the qualifying tournament was intended to be a “biscuit” for the ITF President David Haggerty, since it would make the Davis Cup Finals in Madrid in November even more financially attractive to all the players who did not have the opportunity to earn money with the Roland Garros qualifying tournament. “He hoped to have the ITF on his side, but now he is alone against the rest of the world,” said Hordoff, adding that the ATP is threatening to remove the ranking points assigned to Roland Garros for both 2020 and 2021.



Well this is something. A slam without points.

Mr. Dirk Hordoff's (president of German Tennis Federation) comments about the French Open's postponement instead of cancelling it, is just sour grapes because he already knows that the 2020 grass-court season will be cancelled.

The article says: ¤¤ According to Hordoff, the grass-court season will be a write-off in 2020, with all tournaments waiting for Wimbledon to announce the cancelation of the tournament next Wednesday to make their decision official. “It’s the only decision that makes sense,” said the German executive “it is possible to play on clay later in the year, but it is not possible to have tournaments on grass in October, you can’t play on grass when it is moist”.¤¤
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
Federer living in your head, Yugram? :-D

I wonder who are these people who participate in the "discussions taking place behind the scenes." :unsure:

The article: ¤¤ A bombshell interview by French sports newspaper l’Equipe to the President of the German Tennis Federation Dirk Hordoff has released some new details about the discussions taking place behind the scenes among top tennis executive to try and sort out the chaos created by the Covid-19 pandemic. ...
But the juiciest bits of the interview described with an abundance of details the reactions to the French Federation’s decision to unilaterally postpone the Roland Garros to late September (20 September – 4 October) without waiting to reach a consensus among the ATP, the WTA and the other Grand Slam tournament. “This is not the French way of doing things, it’s Bernard Giudicelli’s way of doing things”, said Hordoff. ...
“He hoped to have the ITF on his side, but now he is alone against the rest of the world,” said Hordoff, adding that the ATP is threatening to remove the ranking points assigned to Roland Garros for both 2020 and 2021.¤¤
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
The postponement of RG to September doesn't impact the ATP grass court tournaments in Germany. I wonder why the president of the German Tennis Federation (Dirk Hordoff) is furios with French Open's postponement (instead of cancelling it). :unsure:
(Read the article in OP).
 

Cashman

Hall of Fame
Im sure the big guns only care about actually adding another slam to their tally.
Points are irrelevant this season.
No points in 2021 is big though.

Also, if the ATP were to schedule an alternative event in the same slot with points allocated it would severely impact the strength of the RG field. Djokovic and Nadal may not care about points but most other players do not have that luxury.

If a player was to win RG with most of the top 100 missing, it would inevitably come with a huge asterisk.
 

ForehandCross

G.O.A.T.
I think nobody read the entire article,
The Man actually mentions that every association behind the scenes is going to try stopping RG from being held.
 

Antonio Puente

Hall of Fame
If Wimbledon is cancelled, the French Open should be also.

Agreed upon by all non-Nadal fanatics.

Out of fairness or what? To whom? AO was already played. If it's possible to play another slam, why wouldn't you play it? You already played one. Djoker got his.

As for the article, I'm guessing most of this is nonsense and sour grapes. After seven months of inactivity, if it is possible to play RG and make money, the players will be there.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
I think nobody read the entire article,
The Man actually mentions that every association behind the scenes is going to try stopping RG from being held.

I read. The article says: ¤¤... the French Federation’s decision to unilaterally postpone the Roland Garros to late September (20 September – 4 October) without waiting to reach a consensus among the ATP, the WTA and the other Grand Slam tournament. ¤¤

The postponement of RG to September does not impact other GS tournaments. It has been obvious that USTA (the USO organizer) and Tennis Australia (the AO organizer) represent the Laver Cup interests. USTA mentioned the Laver Cup in its statement (realeased on March 17) and Tennis Australia is one of the Laver Cup's founders.
USTA , Tennis Australia and other people behind the Laver Cup should calm down. Several ATP Challengers have always been held during grand slam tournaments. Fed ruled out his participation in the FO a long time ago – after having knee surgery. So, nothing prevents the LC organizers from holding their event.

Wikipedia: ¤¤ Roger Federer's management company, TEAM8, Brazilian businessman and former Davis Cup player Jorge Paulo Lemann, and Tennis Australia partnered to create the Laver Cup. ¤¤

The USTA statement:
 
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Enceladus

Legend
RG should be punished in order to didn't occur similar unscrupulous decisions in the future, such as changing the term RG 2020.
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
"We knew that everyone was going to hate us for the decision we made"

Lionel Maltés, economic director of the FFT, explains the postponement and alerts of the economic consequences in case the tournament is not played.

"The decision was not made overnight, it was very far from an outburst. We had been clear for some time that it was going to be impossible to play the tournament on the established dates and we knew we had to do something. There was no hint of conversation collective with the other Grand Slams so we did the only thing we had to do for French tennis. Don't doubt that Wimbledon and US Open would have made the same decision if they could. In fact, other tournaments have backed us up by saying they understood us and that if they had been in our position, they would have done the same,
"said Maltese. "We were aware that we would be highly criticized for this, but the safeguard of French tennis is above all," he said.

Taking into account that the global pandemic will change the entire calendar, Lionel believes it is necessary to give priority to large events, since they are the ones that contribute the most money and the ones that have the most at stake. "The four great tournaments must be kept together because they are the only ones that can save world tennis. In a year where almost no one plays, if the four Grand Slams are played, a very important part of this sport is saved. We must make the sport be heterogeneous and give opportunities to all countries. If we do not understand each other, we will incur a dramatic situation and only the most muscular federations will stay afloat, "declares before warning of the serious economic consequences that Roland Garros would not have to dispute. 2020.

"It would be catastrophic for youth tennis in France. The FFT would have to go into huge debt, the 100 million euros we contributed to promoting tennis nationally and internationally would be lost, and the employment of many families would be endangered. we can lower the salary or fire people just like that so we have a great social responsibility. The losses would reach 260 million euros if the tournament is not played,"
declared a sincere Lionel Maltés, whose explanations must be taken into account and they show a certain degree of despair on the part of the FFT to push Roland Garros 2020 forward at any cost.

 
Out of fairness or what? To whom? AO was already played. If it's possible to play another slam, why wouldn't you play it? You already played one. Djoker got his.

As for the article, I'm guessing most of this is nonsense and sour grapes. After seven months of inactivity, if it is possible to play RG and make money, the players will be there.

To the ATP tournaments originally scheduled in that timeframe. Leave RG for December if most players accept.
 
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No points in 2021 is big though.

Also, if the ATP were to schedule an alternative event in the same slot with points allocated it would severely impact the strength of the RG field. Djokovic and Nadal may not care about points but most other players do not have that luxury.

If a player was to win RG with most of the top 100 missing, it would inevitably come with a huge asterisk.
Except we all know that asterisks never last.
You can say something has an asterisk in 1975 but nobody will remember or care by 1985.
 
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"It would be catastrophic for youth tennis in France. The FFT would have to go into huge debt, the 100 million euros we contributed to promoting tennis nationally and internationally would be lost, and the employment of many families would be endangered. we can lower the salary or fire people just like that so we have a great social responsibility. The losses would reach 260 million euros if the tournament is not played," [/B]declared a sincere Lionel Maltés, whose explanations must be taken into account and they show a certain degree of despair on the part of the FFT to push Roland Garros 2020 forward at any cost.

Based on that statement its very clear that Roland Garros will be played this year.
 
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The fact that they consulted no-one and just wanted to postpone their filthy little tournament that no-one cares about except for the nadal and just have it played right after the US Open is a joke.
Further pushes it out to the margins, tho'.

They're making it easier to not care.

So, it works out. Season's over anyway. Clay's just more marginalized than before, thanks to the FFT.
 
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So it makes no difference whether the ATP awards ranking points or not, the fact is France will never cancel Roland Garros.....because they'd lose 260 million euros if the tournament is not played.
On top of that, it'll be the most famous event ever played, because it'll be the event that Rafa tied Federer, and it'll be the first slam after coronavirus!
 

Cashman

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Except we all know that asterisks never last.
You can say something has an asterisk in 1975 but nobody will remember or care by 1985.
That’s not really true. Everyone knows there’s an asterisk over the early pro AOs because of field strength. A half-strength FO would be similarly regarded by history.
 

DSH

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So it makes no difference whether the ATP awards ranking points or not, the fact is France will never cancel Roland Garros.....because they'd lose 260 million euros if the tournament is not played.
On top of that, it'll be the most famous event ever played, because it'll be the event that Rafa tied Federer, and it'll be the first slam after coronavirus!
 
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As are FO's
Do you really think France will sacrifice 260 million euros?
Literally ZERO chance of Roland Garros being cancelled EVER.
Even World War III couldn't cancel Roland Garros, let alone a virus.
 

RelentlessAttack

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I don’t think we’ll be seeing any tennis this year anymore, a scenario I’ve begrudgingly come around to. Not sure about Paris, but America’s pandemic is not likely to be down to minimal activity until August. And once you’re there, do you really want to start immediately putting crowds of 50k people together again for the USO? Might just flare things up again. Have a hard time seeing any of the slams get played.
 
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I don’t think we’ll be seeing any tennis this year anymore, a scenario I’ve begrudgingly come around to. Not sure about Paris, but America’s pandemic is not likely to be down to minimal activity until August. And once you’re there, do you really want to start immediately putting crowds of 50k people together again for the USO? Might just flare things up again. Have a hard time seeing any of the slams get played.
The US Open and French Open are in different situations, because the French federation has spoke in detail about the French Open and they are willing to do whatever it takes to play-
French Tennis Federation (FFT) director general Jean-Francois Vilotte commented, "We are on a 13-hectare site which allows the flow of spectators to be organised very differently from football stadiums." Organizers said that some of the measures being considered include distribution of "gel and mask kits" and "cancellation of tickets for holders from affected areas" in order to "minimize the risk of contagion".
 
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No points = No slam, just an exho...
The slams are ITF, so the ATP is irrelevant to slams.
And tennis greatness is measured by how many slams you win, always has been.
The rankings have never been as important.
 

zipplock

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Nope. Would be an asterisk event if no points granted. Would be a case of "which one of these is not like the others?"
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The players belong to the ATP and they make room for them to compete at slams, so they are hardly irrelevant if they are threatening pointless slams.

I'm sure that they could still come to some sort of arrangement, but there is no sign of this.

The slams are ITF, so the ATP is irrelevant to slams.
And tennis greatness is measured by how many slams you win, always has been.
The rankings have never been as important.
 

RelentlessAttack

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The US Open and French Open are in different situations, because the French federation has spoke in detail about the French Open and they are willing to do whatever it takes to play-
French Tennis Federation (FFT) director general Jean-Francois Vilotte commented, "We are on a 13-hectare site which allows the flow of spectators to be organised very differently from football stadiums." Organizers said that some of the measures being considered include distribution of "gel and mask kits" and "cancellation of tickets for holders from affected areas" in order to "minimize the risk of contagion".

Seems unnecessarily risky
 

Bartelby

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The head of the French Tennis Federation is trying to make an argument, unsuccesfully in my opinion, that even if football is cancelled then tennis need not be.
 
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