Pure Control and Graphene Prestige S Demo

TimothyO

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I finally got to try the new Babolat Pure Control and Graphene Prestige S. I decided to demo them head to head since their base specs are close to the Pure Storm GT and to one another.

Both were strung with Wilson NXT 17 at mid-recommended tension which is the policy of the friendly local tennis chain that I use for demos. I played with them completely stock, no lead tape, just an overgrip. I even forgot to add a rubberband dampener.

While they played differently from one another they shared one common characteristic: both played more hollow or tinny compared to my old Pure Storm GTs and our 315 Ltds. It was sort of like the difference between the old Dunlop AG 4D 200 frames and the new Dunlop frames. The older frames feel more solid while the newer ones feel almost toy-like.

PURE CONTROL NOTES
That's not to say they're uncomfortable. I had heard about the new Pure Control's "crisper, modern" feel and I'm pleased to report that it's not at all uncomfortable compared to the PSGT. It actually felt more solid than the Prestige S. On paper the Prestige S has a higher SW than the Pure Control but I feel this once again reveals the limits of the SW spec. The Pure Control was definitely not as easy to swing but it felt far more solid and stable compared to the Prestige S.

GRAPHENE PRESTIGE NOTES
On the other hand, the Prestige S felt a little more precise. Spin was definitely easier to generate with the Pure Control and it felt more plush but the Prestige S seemed to produce a more consistent launch angle. I've noticed this when comparing Dunlop, Head, and Tecnifiber frames to Babolat so it's not a surprise. Others have noted a lack of precision with Babolats relative to other frames too. Personally I believe it's the grommet system: it provides a larger sweet spot and more spin but at the cost of some consistency.

NOT LIKE THE GOOD OLD DAYS
Neither frame impressed me enough to cause me to want to change. In fact, they seem to be a step backwards in terms of a solid, high quality feel. Frame prices have remained remarkably stable over the last several years at around $179 to $199 dollars. But raw materials and labor might must be rising given movements in other commodity markets and industries (even China is facing rising labor costs). Let me stress, neither was a bad frame. They both felt just fine and would probably feel even better with gut mains, some extra mass, etc. But even when comparing stock forms they just can't compare to the classics like the Dunlop AG 4D 200 or PB10 Mid in feel.

We know that Babolat switched the Pure Control's graphite to a lower thread count which costs less. Maybe manufacturers are reducing the costs of their materials in various ways to maintain margins in the face of other rising costs while trying to avoid breaching the $199 price point. This might explain the general decline in the solid feel of frames over time.

All of this leaves me ever more impressed with the 315 Ltds. They're just so freakin' plush and solid compared to other recently launched frames and they're still the same price roughly.

For those of us who love old school, plush, solid frames we're probably both cursed and blessed. The industry is moving away from that feel, for whatever reason. So we'll be consigned to OOP frames to a large degree. For now, these are probably available from various second hand sources at lower prices. But at some point, as they become ever more rare, those prices might start to rise too.
 
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Babolats players sticks have never had the magic of Heads in terms of feel. Wilson still makes players sticks like the pro staff and yonex will probably have the plush release of the year with the tour g.

The 315 is my measuring stick as well, but if you want to have some fun, go back and grab some ig prestige pros or yt prestige pros. Those are some nice feeling racquets.

Dunlop going to the weird head shape and away from their classic feel is definitely horrible and same with head.
 
I agree 100% with your findings on the Control versus the PS GT. Like you, I kept my wallet closed, as I prefer the buttery, solid, plush feel of the Storm series.

PS I did buy the Strike 305 though. I now have downsized to 3 (what I feel) great but different rackets:

1. PD Team 2003 (I've bought and sold every Pure Drive since the Team, but would never ever sell the PD Team)

2. PS GT 2011 (again - to me a modern classic - will never sell it)

3. Pure Strike 305 - my new toy and it 's so different to the 2 above yet I keep winning with it and it's an ACE machine!!
 
I agree 100% with your findings on the Control versus the PS GT. Like you, I kept my wallet closed, as I prefer the buttery, solid, plush feel of the Storm series.

PS I did buy the Strike 305 though. I now have downsized to 3 (what I feel) great but different rackets:

1. PD Team 2003 (I've bought and sold every Pure Drive since the Team, but would never ever sell the PD Team)

2. PS GT 2011 (again - to me a modern classic - will never sell it)

3. Pure Strike 305 - my new toy and it 's so different to the 2 above yet I keep winning with it and it's an ACE machine!!

Well, go figure, another person with the same racquets, except my Storms are the Tours/+s versions. My old Pure Drive Teams (non-Cortex) and Strike 18x20s are both around 12.0 oz, so all these sticks end up pretty similar weight and balance wise at the end of the day. I've managed to hit with the Strike 16x19 very briefly, and I'm anxious to spend a bit more time when it's officially released (or perhaps, if lucky, through TW's early playtest). For those used to more open patterns, the response/feel and added spin off the stringbed will feel much more like home than the Strike 18x20.

And for the OP, yes, I prefer my Storms to the old Controls for the plusher feel, greater stability, and added pop/plow through, although I tried out the Tour and not the standard version.
 
Well, go figure, another person with the same racquets, except my Storms are the Tours/+s versions. My old Pure Drive Teams (non-Cortex) and Strike 18x20s are both around 12.0 oz, so all these sticks end up pretty similar weight and balance wise at the end of the day. I've managed to hit with the Strike 16x19 very briefly, and I'm anxious to spend a bit more time when it's officially released (or perhaps, if lucky, through TW's early playtest). For those used to more open patterns, the response/feel and added spin off the stringbed will feel much more like home than the Strike 18x20.

And for the OP, yes, I prefer my Storms to the old Controls for the plusher feel, greater stability, and added pop/plow through, although I tried out the Tour and not the standard version.

I admire your choice of rackets White Stripes :) -- mine are also weighted same - circa 328g (luckily I got a PS GT that came in heavy-ish in the spec tolerance and got a Strike that cane in light-ish on the spec tolerance) I am very intersted in learning how the 16x19 305 compares to the 18 x 20. I seem to have dialled into the 18 x 20 now (which at first I found to be challenging), and have become addicted to it's precision "point and shoot" control (of course subject to the user being on form on any given day). Having added thin guage VS Team gut has certainly given me more access to spin, with a lower tension than I usually play 55lbs versus 57/58lbs.
 
Babolats players sticks have never had the magic of Heads in terms of feel. Wilson still makes players sticks like the pro staff and yonex will probably have the plush release of the year with the tour g.

The 315 is my measuring stick as well, but if you want to have some fun, go back and grab some ig prestige pros or yt prestige pros. Those are some nice feeling racquets.

I hear that! The YT Prestige Pro has one of the sweetest sweetspot's around.
 
Hi Timothy!
So, in the end, what would be your personal preference (from the best to the worst):
1. Pure Storm 2. Pure Control 3.Prestige S?

Thanks!
 
Hi Timothy!
So, in the end, what would be your personal preference (from the best to the worst):
1. Pure Storm 2. Pure Control 3.Prestige S?

Thanks!

Absolutely, positively, the Pure Storm GT ranks #1 with the Pure Control and Prestige S tied for a distant second (Pure Control for more spin, Prestige S for more precision). The PSGT provides just as much spin as the new Pure Control and precision approaching that of the Prestige S. The PSGT also feels more solid than either one.

On a related note, for $30 our local chain allows one to demo two frames at a time for 30 days. You get to check in and check out new ones as much as you want over that time period. So I'm also demoing the 2014 Pro Staff 95 and Pro Staff 95 S.

I'm not in the market for a new frame, just curious about these new releases, but...I'm smitten with the new Pro Staff 95. :oops:

The 95 S is nothing more than a curiosity imo...far less control and nothing special about the spin. In fact, I felt like I had more spin with the standard PS95 since I could use more racquet head speed while maintaining extremely precise control. With the 95 S extra spin-inducing RHS leads to a big loss in precision. It just isn't worth it imo. For reference purposes the 95 is strung with NXT 17 and the 95 S with 4G, both at mid-tension and relatively fresh (no scuffing or denting).

I still need lots more time with the new PS95 but initial impressions are tons of spin, extraordinary control, and a solid, comfortable feel that's still "crisp". Nothing hollow about the feel. It's not nearly as plush as the 315 Ltds but I actually prefer the spin and control I'm getting with the PS95. While hitting serves over lunch time I felt like a ball machine. Every serve went in with confidence building precision. Not as much pace or depth as with my modified 315s or PSGTs, but that's nothing a little lead tape can't help.

It's so impressive that I'd actually consider switching to it. It needs some extra mass imo but even in stock form I'm really enjoying it. All I did was add an overgrip and a rubber band dampener. Tonight I get to test it against some guys standing well over 6' and with very hard serves. That will be interesting.
 
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On a related note, for $30 our local chain allows one to demo two frames at a time for 30 days. You get to check in and check out new ones as much as you want over that time period.
Don't know where is this happening, but not where I live for sure :-?
 
Don't know where is this happening, but not where I live for sure :-?

Atlanta...with them, it's always your serve...hint hint nudge nudge say no more.

They're absolutely wonderful. They handle stringing for BBT in Atlanta and a bunch of their guys are at Family Circle right now. I haven't demo'd in two years so it's quite an opportunity to try the many new releases from the last six months. The weather is improving here too.
 
I hear that! The YT Prestige Pro has one of the sweetest sweetspot's around.

True! In comparison to the IG, the sweet spot feels slightly better (softer and more precise) however the YT sweetspot is quite a bit smaller and outside of it the racquet feels how some people describe it: kinda metallic and tinny. But a good hybrid also helps with that issue as it enlarges the sweetspot and makes the response more comfortable (for the IG the sweetspot is gigantic with a hybrid). I will say this much though, if one cannot consistently play the sweetspot of a racquet, one shouldn't be playing a Prestige... The YT is more of an all around frame whereas the IG is a frame for really aggressive players. I love both and own two of each! :D
 
Hit for a few hours tonight with the new Pro Staff 95. Some singles, some doubles.

I'm sold.

:)

I have the previous model, not much of a difference really :-P I definitely advise you to customize it with lead though. Makes the frame play so much sweeter. I have mine at 364 g, 355 SW and a balance of 32.3 cm (polarized setup). Playing topspin feels so good it could be illegal 8)
 
I have the previous model, not much of a difference really :-P I definitely advise you to customize it with lead though. Makes the frame play so much sweeter. I have mine at 364 g, 355 SW and a balance of 32.3 cm (polarized setup). Playing topspin feels so good it could be illegal 8)

I briefly owned the previous version too and agree that they're remarkably similar. I also had added lead but not nearly as much as you.

The only challenge I had with version 1.0 was that I developed some stiffness in my hand and had to move on (it felt like AmpliShock rather than AmpliFeel to me). We'll see if the same happens with this version. Supposedly Wilson has updated their AmpliFeel tech. We'll see. I'll keep playing with the demo to see what happens before doing anything rash like dropping $200 on a new frame.

In stock form I've gotta say this new version feels a little bit more stable than the old one. It's not a huge difference but I played with it tonight purely in stock form and really enjoyed it. For my needs a little lead at 12 balanced by some under the grip will probably be enough.

Spin access also seemed easier than the previous one.

My favorite shots with this version were serve and return of serve. On RoS it definitely needs some extra mass against heavier shots but even just blocking back in stock form felt amazingly precise compared to our 315s and PSGTs.

I also felt like I had better depth control with the PS95 due to the very controllable spin. I agree with you on the topspin. It's completely contrary to the conventional wisdom that smaller heads mean less spin. The PS95 is amazing in the spin department. Spin is my security blanket when hitting hard and it's certainly easy to achieve, even with NXT 17 rather than a low friction hybrid.

I play single tomorrow night. I've grown so used to the PSGTs I don't like the idea of changing now, so if I pursue this further I'll tread very carefully and make a decision only after some decent playing time.

One concern is Wilson quality control. I'm loving the demo frame but I'll need to measure it to ensure a purchased frame is close (if I were to do that).

For me the number one factor in any gear decision is confidence: does the frame/string disappear, become an extension of my will, and I can play with total confidence and focus on my technique rather than feeling like I'm trying to modify my form to accommodate some feature of the gear and string (eg by constraining my RHS to maintain control).

The PS95 feels a tiny less spin friendly compared to the PSGT but it also feels much more precise and predictable. It may be spin-friendly enough that the precision benefit is worth a change.
 
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One concern is Wilson quality control. I'm loving the demo frame but I'll need to measure it to ensure a purchased frame is close (if I were to do that).

The PS95 feels a tiny less spin friendly compared to the PSGT but it also feels much more precise and predictable. It may be spin-friendly enough that the precision benefit is worth a change.

Personally, I'd just pay the extra 10$ for TW's matching service (if I lived in the States) and get the lightest, most headlight racquets possible, in order to make customization to my preferred specs easier.

In stock form, you can access maybe 50% of the racquets spin potential. Once you lead it up to a polarized setup though, it rips through the felt and hits sum otherworldly angles 8) I believe that the spin potential between the PS95 and PSGT is much closer than you think ;)
 
Personally, I'd just pay the extra 10$ for TW's matching service (if I lived in the States) and get the lightest, most headlight racquets possible, in order to make customization to my preferred specs easier.

In stock form, you can access maybe 50% of the racquet's spin potential. Once you lead it up to a polarized setup though, it rips through the felt and hits sum otherworldly angles 8) I believe that the spin potential between the PS95 and PSGT is much closer than you think ;)

Normally I would use TW for convenience but the $30 demo fee applies towards the purchase of any new frame in the 30 day period. The chain also has an RDC and will also let you measure weight and balance in any location. So I have $30 sunk cost already if I were to buy one and I can get desired specs from the chain at no extra charge.

Anywho, zero hand stiffness this morning. Just now I popped off the butt cap and the handle construction is different from the previous version. The previous one had little metal bars or shanks in the handle. The sheared off ends were visible with the cap removed and tapping them with a screwdriver produced a metallic clink.

The new version lacks the metal bits and instead has a stiff foam filling the handle. Probing the foam with a metal wire revealed it was all foam, nothing hidden. This may explain the lack of hand stiffness this morning vs the old version. Note that not everyone had issues with the previous versions. But others have also reported a stiff hand with the previous version.
 
I believe that the spin potential between the PS95 and PSGT is much closer than you think ;)
Not really no. PS95 (which is basically the new PSGTLtd.) has 18 mains and a smaller headsize. PSGT has 16 mains and a slightly bigger headsize. The PSGTLtd. feels very sweet, but seriously it needs very thin strings: haven't seen a 18/20 patter that tight very often.
 
Not really no. PS95 (which is basically the new PSGTLtd.) has 18 mains and a smaller headsize. PSGT has 16 mains and a slightly bigger headsize. The PSGTLtd. feels very sweet, but seriously it needs very thin strings: haven't seen a 18/20 patter that tight very often.

I think we're getting confused by our abbreviations.

SpinToWin was referring to the spin of the Pure Storm GT (98" and 16 mains) and the Pro Staff 95 (95" and 16 mains).

Lukhas is comparing the Pure Storm Ltd GT (95" and 18 mains) which really wasn't part of the discussion (but it's an excellent racquet in any case with great precision and comfort).
 
Back to the OP topic..
The Pure Storm GT was my racquet of choice... Havent tried the new Pure Conrol but plan too as the PSGT is nearly perfect for my game.
I recently picked up a Graphene Prestige S and I am impressed so far. Not noticing much difference in power. But I am see more spin with the GPS and more control with the GPS and it has better touch.

Good point on the power issue, very similar indeed.
 
Back to the OP topic..
The Pure Storm GT was my racquet of choice... Haven't tried the new Pure Conrrol but plan too as the PSGT is nearly perfect for my game.
I recently picked up a Graphene Prestige S and I am impressed so far. Not noticing much difference in power. But I am seeing more spin with the GPS and more control with the GPS and it has better touch.
 
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See, I at 8:57 I knew you were going to type that so I posted your quote before you posted it.

:)

I wonder how that happened?
 
I think we're getting confused by our abbreviations.

SpinToWin was referring to the spin of the Pure Storm GT (98" and 16 mains) and the Pro Staff 95 (95" and 16 mains).

Lukhas is comparing the Pure Storm Ltd GT (95" and 18 mains) which really wasn't part of the discussion (but it's an excellent racquet in any case with great precision and comfort).

Ok, my bad. I got confused.
 
question I am thinking about demo 4 racquets from here, we use it for a FULL week right? if we get it Monday we ship it back Monday, it's not they have to get it BY Monday?

also to ship it back can I add insurance for the shipping? because four racquets if they get lost it's like expensive for me to pay up! insurance needed? or the return shipping label they provide is good enough?
 
question I am thinking about demo 4 racquets from here, we use it for a FULL week right? if we get it Monday we ship it back Monday, it's not they have to get it BY Monday?

also to ship it back can I add insurance for the shipping? because four racquets if they get lost it's like expensive for me to pay up! insurance needed? or the return shipping label they provide is good enough?

Received on Monday, you send it back to ups on Monday. And you don't need insurance
 
I'm completely amazed that people are even messing with the Graphene Prestige models. These racquets are complete junk. Especially compared to the IG models.

Trying to make something out of them is like modifying and spending time trying to make a $20 Walmart or Academy racquet work for you. And then broadcasting on here that somehow you've made this racquet work for you. I guess you can justify anything if you want to bad enough. Geez

Get real!
 
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It's weird: generally speaking, HEAD did pretty well with the Graphene Speeds and Instincts...with the Prestige and Radicals, man, they sure seem to have blown it.
 
for demo racquet strings they have Multifilament, poly, and the ones without those I guess they are synthetic gut? I always used synthetic gut before, what are poly and multifilament? what's the difference?

if we break the string how much do they charge for the demo program?
 
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