Discussion in 'Racquets' started by n8dawg6, Feb 13, 2017.
Somehow after 4 years I still haven't learned this lesson.
Lol me too. It wasn't as great as I remember. Just not consistent enough from the baseline. Serves like a beast though.
this is so correct ...
its just so stiff (thats what she said) ... back to the rad/speed MP. well actually i picked up an old pure strike for $60 so im gonna make that mistake for a little while before i get back to semi-sanity
gawd its stiff ... not even painful, just dadgum i get tired of that feel
I sold both of my PD first gen to a coach. One was XL. He called me yesterday saying he couldn't play with it (continental strokes) and wanted to give em back to me. Lucky me (my wrists not that much) he sent the frames to a pro room and had them cut and equalized with silicon on the handles. They are both now matched in 308g. The guy even painted the chips with the right color and removed (don't know how) all the XL signs of it. They are both perfectly matched. Yep, going to give the stiff old PD another chance.
i think it can be a real weapon if you learn to use the device. plenty of dudes out there flailing around with their "players sticks" that could see a boost in RHS, RPM, etc if they learned to harness it.
I am trying to decide between the PD and PS97. Very different sticks I know, but I play well with both. I now have the leather grip on the Pro Staff and it suits it so much more. It is 12 ounces on the nose (341 grams) and pretty head light (naturally and even more so with a leather grip) with nice plow. Great spin and power.
Pure Drive is 325 grams with overgrip and dampener. For me, it was too stiff for the leather grip. This racquet is obviously more maneuverable and hits a harder ball but is more difficult to control. Hopefully I have it figured out by spring.
Yeah because pros never get tennis elbow do they?
I'll try to boost the twist weight if I start feeling my wrist. Maybe that will ease the arm on the contact.
This time I will not add leather grip, but a softer karakal one. It might help too.
If those you have are really made by Pro Kennex as I suppose, you just possibly need a bit on 3-9 o'clock and to have enough of the swing weight.
The reason I keep mentioning PK's is because those are stiff yet not harsh. You feel the stiff performance, you don't feel stiffness in your arm. At least you feel nothing when you customize it with a high SW, TW and RW like I did. I never played with it in stock format, I don't care. Anyway, secret is in different layup. I think PK still uses graphite-ceramic composite in layup.
Recently talked to my stringer and he recalls playing with first gen PD's and how comfortable and good they were. I must hand him my second setup (I'll get rid of it anyway, KI 10 and one Destiny is more than enough for me) and get his feedback.
As a "Player Frame" user, I wouldnt say that the PD first gen are confortable. They just deliver it. simple as that. Your balls start going deeper on the court, with more spin and it became easier to get out of a defensive situation. And of course you can still play in the same intensity the second and ever a third set (a thing that I could not do with my 365g pro tours.). Between the time you string it and when the balls start to sail long there is a sweet period of time that the racquet feels great. I think that the secret for using them is to keep your string fresh, something I'm not used to with the 18x20 pattern.
I never played with first gen PD.
What I have personal experience with is following custom setup:
Pro Kennex Destiny FCS 265 platform
Flex: 69 RA
Weight: 354 grams
SW: 350 (approx.)
Balance: 329 mm (4.4 pts HL)
Hitting weight (mass of the head side): 171 g
TW: never measured it, but it should be around 15.5-16
RW: 168 (approx.)
String bed: YPTP mains / Isospeed Cream crosses at 24/24 kg.
Prince dampener 6 g (included in specs)
Customisation is similar to Novak's, lead all around from 8-4 o'clock, reinforced at 12 o'clock and at 3+9 o'clock.
What I can say is, this is one both stiff and comfy setup. Stiff in performance, not in feel. You feel crisp and fast response with ball staying on the string bed for a short time but still racquet generates lot of spin. Feel is like ball stayed too short to feel any discomfort.
Zalive, dont get me wrong but, with that much customization around it, it kind of looses the whole point about the arm harshness of the pure drive. we are (most of us) talking about the PD in its stock form, maybe with some silicon and a little bit of lead, but a bump of 40 points on SW and Static kind of changes it all.
Oh, this one is a killer setup, much better than PD stock
I gave it to a player who plays with 335 grams stock setups, sometimes even lighter ones, with much lower SW as well, up to 325-330. He's a player who generates lot of spin off his FH. We had a hitting session, and afterwards he thought I was full of sh*t that this setup had almost 20 grams more than the one he plays with...
It's all in balancing, compensating MgR/I, and the rest is just in the head. Players head. He didn't know it was heavy...so it wasn't for him
You can customise PK Destiny to whatever specs you want and make a comfy setup out of it, because it has a superior, different layup than Babolat. Without Kinetic tech. That's what I'm saying.
I had experience with customizing Mantis 250 platform. Which has a tinny, hollow feeling layup similar to Babolat. I customized it to similar specs to Destiny, and it never become comforable. In fact it was still giving me a wrist pain. It's not all about specs.
I believe you! I aint saying that it doesnt turn into a great stick, but I think that the discussion kinda headed towards the arm destructiveness and feel of the retail one.
I had a MG radical retail that i felt it was harded to swing than a 6.0 95. I agree with you that is all about weight distribuition.
Aren't you talking about the swirly model...the one that Roddick used his whole career? If so, that's technically not the first gen.
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Roddick used the 2nd? (swirly)
First and only racquet I've ever intentionally smashed into an early grave was a Pure Drive.
Winning ain't feel as good with them but goddamn does losing and missing with them feel horrible.
im ready to go back to something with a sub-60 RA ...
gimme a flat beam! gimme back my angell tc97! (why DID i sell that one???)
Cause you're a hopeless holic
Not all pro's have good technique.
I know several who have had shoulder issues, but rarely have I heard of elbow issues. that said, I don't follow the pros so I don't really know.
WHo's had elbow issues in the pro?
'cause you like to pull the trigger
I have the same 1st gen (or 2nd?) PDT. If it doesn't work for you in terms of stiffness, no PD will ever work. No need to insist. There are many racquets out there.
I played with 2008 and 2012 versions too. 2008 was the most powerful but it is stiffer than 2001-2002 version. 2012 gave me a tennis elbow so I will never touch it again.Never tried 2015 version.
I wish I could serve with my PDT and rally with DR 98 for better control within the point but it is impossible. I serve better with PDT, so when I am tired after an hour of play, I put my DR 98 down and reach for it for some free points in my service game.
Hahaha, me too. Sucker had it coming.
Of course I still love playing Pure Drives every now and then. In fact I just ordered another one (customised) – should have it sometime next week.
I shall build a premature grave for it should I ever be in the area
BTW, has anyone played with any Prostock PD around here? it is said that they are custom made softer for some Pro Players (63-64ra).
Yes, there is a guy from Hungary, plays with Pro stock PD, 305 g /65 RA stiffnes unstrung. Not available for mortals...
i still (and im being honest here) dont understand the point of having a flexy pure drive. if im going to have a flexy racquet, id want a nice thin beam to go along with it. thats my biggest gripe about tweeners, i much prefer a thin beam svelte frame. and the PD is arguably the WORST offender in terms of beam non-thickness. she is a THICK gal, as in fat tuesday thick.
lol, I was stuffing my face with a big ol Paczki at work as I saw this Fat Tuesday comment. Impeccable timing.
They may, but it doesn't happen very often even though they play hours every day. It happens to a lot of rec players even thought they mostly play few hours a week. What is the difference? Mishits and poor technique. That being said, most rec players will never get past 3.5, so poor technique comes with the territory, and they should get a racquet that doesn't hurt their health.
What if Agassi used a pure drive?
Like most pro stock PD's they are flexier than their retail counterparts... Ive seen some on strings forum with an RA 63
With Pro Blend in the 60s. I remember reading on his book that hitting with his racquets would feel like hitting with a trash bin lid. The pure drive would fill the gap for sure! Hahahahahaha
Proudly presenting New Babolat stock racquet model, made with Babolat 'traditional' layup recipe
All the same story you can see at the pro tour (like the Verdasko and Janowicz, Harrison). But best players are more interested in changing their game, not their raquets and strings (Murray Djokovic Nadal). And Fed also made the switch cause of aging issues with power, stamina and that was a wise move imho. I'm not selling my PD cause I know I'll need it sooner or later. Good power and spin for those, who want to conserve energy. Not that good stick for full power strokes. And it loves fresh full poly stringjobs. With a babolat leather grip it's quite comfy and you'll feel the flex of the frame actually.
Pulled out my old piece-of-junk APD, strung with old syn gut today, and hit better than I have in the past three months.
Sometimes I wonder why I even bother nerding out and spending $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ on racquets at all when all the players I'm facing with their APDs have it this easy...
Getting my 2015 Pure Drive restrung today after having a blast with it last night.
Thought I was going to be switching to a Pure Drive full time but added a leather grip and overgrip to my PS 97 and its so much more solid than the PD. More control. Maybe not as much raw power but not far behind. More spin. Its 345 grams compared to my Pure Drive's 325-330 with two overgrips and dampener.
I'm thinking about the PD after serving so well with my APD. But my touch shots are non-existent.
Have you looked at the Volkl V1 Pro line? Stiffer and similar to PD, but with a thinner beam I think.
i have eyeballed volkls quite a bit, but theyve never blown my skirt up. im going down a strange road now where im using multifilaments and loving the pillowy feel. im looking for the best of both (multiple) worlds for a hack nearly-40 yr old ... light weight, help w spin, control, and arm friendliness.
You should try the Volkl road! Germany might be a shell of its former greatness but I think they can still make some good products!
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