Pure Strike 2024

It doesn't sound very good that different shops (all of them) report flex Stiffness index out of specs, including differing with the official Babolat specs by a good margin.

What is going on ??? Quality Control issues again ???
Again? I don't think they ever left. QC out of the China factories simply isn't good enough when you consider what the brands are charging for these frames. Look at the Speed MP reviews. Swing weights all over the place from 320 to 330. I'm sure it will be the same when the Blade V9 is released.
 
It doesn't sound very good that different shops (all of them) report flex Stiffness index out of specs, including differing with the official Babolat specs by a good margin.

What is going on ??? Quality Control issues again ???
which specs are you comparing?

If it's TW vs Babolat = Strung vs. Unstrung (which changes the RA)
 
With the lower RA the new PS 98 is even closer to the TF40 18x20... yes 18x20. I have both and actually the string pattern is identical except for the 2-3 outer mains...

Can't wait to try both side by side
 
Just got the Pure Stirke 97 demo - I need to do more careful analysis, but the string pattern looks no different from the PSVS 2022. Strung SW with a thicker poly is 330, however, so that's beefier than expected out of the box. One thing I will say is that it looks and feels nicer in the hand than it looks like it would online. I still think orange grommets would've been better. I should get to hit with it tonight and will compare to the PSVS.
 
Just got the Pure Stirke 97 demo - I need to do more careful analysis, but the string pattern looks no different from the PSVS 2022. Strung SW with a thicker poly is 330, however, so that's beefier than expected out of the box. One thing I will say is that it looks and feels nicer in the hand than it looks like it would online. I still think orange grommets would've been better. I should get to hit with it tonight and will compare to the PSVS.

id assume its largely the same, especially given the lack of pro tour support for this mold

a junior player from india used it at the US Open, but other than him I havent seen it in a pro-caliber player's hands
 
id assume its largely the same, especially given the lack of pro tour support for this mold

a junior player from india used it at the US Open, but other than him I havent seen it in a pro-caliber player's hands
Yep - the string spacing is 100% identical across the board between these two frames. I measured from the outside of the grommet tubes (inside the frame) on all the mains in the throat and the crosses going throught the center (where you don't get any warping due to strings pulling on them), and there was literally no difference detected. Measurements matched exactly. Perhaps the other Strikes tightened up the string spacing but there's no FSI to be found here. Dollars to donuts this is just a paintjob upgrade, which is fine by me, actually, and nothing to frown at, given how awesome the PSVS.
 
Just got the Pure Stirke 97 demo - I need to do more careful analysis, but the string pattern looks no different from the PSVS 2022. Strung SW with a thicker poly is 330, however, so that's beefier than expected out of the box. One thing I will say is that it looks and feels nicer in the hand than it looks like it would online. I still think orange grommets would've been better. I should get to hit with it tonight and will compare to the PSVS.
Tennisnerd's 97 had a 308SW I think? Tells you just about all you need to know.
 
Tennisnerd's 97 had a 308SW I think? Tells you just about all you need to know.
It also does depend a lot on the strings in use, but yeah, there can be a lot of variation there. With the PSVS, however, I have not found one I can't get to my target specs, and I have a few (11), so that is nice. PS 97 should be the same, since it appears to be the same racquet.
 
It also does depend a lot on the strings in use, but yeah, there can be a lot of variation there. With the PSVS, however, I have not found one I can't get to my target specs, and I have a few (11), so that is nice. PS 97 should be the same, since it appears to be the same racquet.
Did you test? Is there a big difference between vs?
 
Just had an early hit with the 97, 98 16x19 and 100 16x20. I played the best with the 100. I served bombs with the 98. Let’s evaluate the elbow tomorrow. If we are good, more play Saturday. Strung with Xcel M and RPM Rough X mid tension.
 
Did you test? Is there a big difference between vs?
I had a short hit with it tonight. Honestly, it was hard to put the PSVS down because I was hitting the ball so well with it and it felt so good, but I did break it out for a few tfiebreakers at the end of the night, and it was a good experience. Of course, it's not a direct apples to apples comparison, mainly because the strings are different, and that obviously changes things up a lot. But, I've hit with enough string combos in the PSVS for that not to matter too much, and I would say that it basically feels like the exact same racquet, but slightly more muted, perhaps. To me, that is not a real benefit, because the PSVS is already comfortable, but I think that is what's lead to the comments from reviewers saying it is more plush with a bigger sweetspot. The sweetspot is not really any bigger, it's just that off center contact is perhaps a little less jarring. But, that dampening makes the sweetspot a bit less sweet as well.

I don't think I'll bother doing too much more hitting with this one as a demo, however. I learned what I wanted to learn, which is that it's basically the same exact racquet, with small change in feel. I will likely pick up a used one down the line so I can do a full comparison, but am not in a rush to do so.

Long story short, if you like the PSVS, I think you'll like the PS 97 almost as much - and maybe more depending on how you prefer racquets to feel in general. Actual playability is nearly identical, and any differences can be attributed to the different string.
 
Yep - the string spacing is 100% identical across the board between these two frames. I measured from the outside of the grommet tubes (inside the frame) on all the mains in the throat and the crosses going throught the center (where you don't get any warping due to strings pulling on them), and there was literally no difference detected. Measurements matched exactly. Perhaps the other Strikes tightened up the string spacing but there's no FSI to be found here. Dollars to donuts this is just a paintjob upgrade, which is fine by me, actually, and nothing to frown at, given how awesome the PSVS.


Makes sense. Ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Strikes were stellar for gen 3 across the board. I have 4 pure strike tours and 3 PSVS from gen 3. 4 is the most I have of any one mold/layup so says where I’m at with the PST. I do own and have owned a lot of frames & the pst is like a beautiful hybrid of classic and modern feel. Dampened like a modern player stick but flexy and thin at the yoke like an old player stick. PSVS is just incredible, the best Babolat players mold for feel imo. Yes I’ve used pure control, storm, etc… 95 ltd storm was a lovely feeling frame but lacked so much relative to the PSVS. Gen 3 was INCREDIBLE. So I hope it stays largely the same

It’s interesting, people loved the PSVS layup but hated on the normal 98 layup. I’m pretty sure it’s the same in both frames just a different mold. Given the apparent changes to the layup, will people claim the 98 has improved feel yet claim the 97 strike VS was “better last year?” I see a lot of that coming, it’s probably a mental thing about that legendary black/red/white pj on the PSVS.

All that said, I think both gens will be awesome. I just think it’s lame people disparage the feel and dampened vibe of the gen 3. Those critics should hit all gens at the same weight / same string / tension to assure you really know what the pure strike reference point is. You’ll find V1 was brittle harsh graphite in that layup, V2 was only brittle in the upper hoop & V3 was buttery smooth. thiem used v1 for 5 years before switching to v3 and bagging his elusive major down 2 sets. Gen 3 strike is the best Babolat thin beam player frames to date imo & I own a lot of thin beamed frames
 
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Just had an early hit with the 97, 98 16x19 and 100 16x20. I played the best with the 100. I served bombs with the 98. Let’s evaluate the elbow tomorrow. If we are good, more play Saturday. Strung with Xcel M and RPM Rough X mid tension.
Your arm is sensitive?Please report how is your elbow with 100 16x20.
 
Sounds like a lot of stability concerns
Possibly.

But as I noted, it's 7 points headlight.

Which is maybe why the testers all noted wanting to put some weight in the hoop.

But I'm used to playing a 6 point headlight racket and prefer having more weight in the handle.

If they normally play a racket that's 4 points headlight, this racket may feel a little unstable to them.

For me, that's what I kind of find interesting about it.

My biggest concern is how the 100 inch head will pair up with my one handed backhand, since I'm used to play 98 inch rackets.

But it's interesting enough for me that I want to give it a demo, along with the Percept 97H.

Just to see how they play.

Worst case scenario, I stick with the Extreme Tour and just wait to change rackets when the next version comes out.
 
@Kozzy I know you've been a PSVS devotee, so very interested in your feedback on the change in feel.
I have one PSVS and thinking of maybe getting a few more if the new Strike 97 is more muted. I'm not interested in that.

Of course reviews say the new one is "plush" or "forgiving" because muted has a negative connotation. So I want to get your unbiased thoughts.
 
@Kozzy I know you've been a PSVS devotee, so very interested in your feedback on the change in feel.
I have one PSVS and thinking of maybe getting a few more if the new Strike 97 is more muted. I'm not interested in that.

Of course reviews say the new one is "plush" or "forgiving" because muted has a negative connotation. So I want to get your unbiased thoughts.
I think the increased dampening is real, and not just marketing lingo. From what I understand, that is the whole purpose of the flax fibers (NF2) they have been adding to other lines as well, making them more comfortable. So, while I'd never call the PSVS raw-feeling, based on the short demo I just did, it is more raw-feeling than the PS 97. That doesn't mean you can't feel the ball at all - you definitely can. It's just a bit less feel on contact than you get with the PSVS.
 
I think the increased dampening is real, and not just marketing lingo. From what I understand, that is the whole purpose of the flax fibers (NF2) they have been adding to other lines as well, making them more comfortable. So, while I'd never call the PSVS raw-feeling, based on the short demo I just did, it is more raw-feeling than the PS 97. That doesn't mean you can't feel the ball at all - you definitely can. It's just a bit less feel on contact than you get with the PSVS.
I didn't mean the dampening was marketing, what is marketing is not using the phrase "muted feeling." The tech is definitely real. I playtested the PA23, which has it but in different locations.

Noticeable enough that you couldn't seamlessly switch between the two?
 
I didn't mean the dampening was marketing, what is marketing is not using the phrase "muted feeling." The tech is definitely real. I playtested the PA23, which has it but in different locations.

Noticeable enough that you couldn't seamlessly switch between the two?
Sorry - I wasn't suggesting that you were saying that about the tech. It was more that I am always a bit dubious about the tech they say they put in frames (e.g. there's no FSI present in the PS 97, even though they say there is). Anyway, I think I could easily switch between the two if I had them set up the same way, because I think they hit the same ball. But, having the PSVS collection that I do, I see no need to switch. And, if I were buying more now, I'd buy the deeply discounted PSVS and wait for this one to go on sale down the line. There's really nothing in it that warrants paying almost twice as much.
 
Sorry - I wasn't suggesting that you were saying that about the tech. It was more that I am always a bit dubious about the tech they say they put in frames (e.g. there's no FSI present in the PS 97, even though they say there is). Anyway, I think I could easily switch between the two if I had them set up the same way, because I think they hit the same ball. But, having the PSVS collection that I do, I see no need to switch. And, if I were buying more now, I'd buy the deeply discounted PSVS and wait for this one to go on sale down the line. There's really nothing in it that warrants paying almost twice as much.
Thanks for the input, that was kind of my speculation as well about switching.
Plus the PSVS still looks better than the new 97, even though I actually really like the way the new 97 looks.
 
My strike 98 16x19 delivered today. Will post some thoughts relative to the gen 3 in the next few days
 
My strike 98 16x19 delivered today. Will post some thoughts relative to the gen 3 in the next few days
Much needed m8! Please assess the differences in the launch angle. It is supposedly a tighter string pattern due to FSI Control(4th gen) compared to FSI power(3rd gen).
 
My 100 demos (both the 16x20 and 16x19) arrive today, I plan on using them both over the weekend through Monday, will report back - definitely excited by the 16x20 in particular. Not necessarily due to the string pattern, but the more headlight balance and lower flex.
 
Much needed m8! Please assess the differences in the launch angle. It is supposedly a tighter string pattern due to FSI Control(4th gen) compared to FSI power(3rd gen).

Definitely will pay attention to the launch angle & general spin production

Think my most important consideration will be the feel & layup. Im going to have both gens strung up on the same machine, same string, same tension
 
Definitely will pay attention to the launch angle & general spin production

Think my most important consideration will be the feel & layup. Im going to have both gens strung up on the same machine, same string, same tension
Nice! Waiting on your review!
 
I had a short hit with it tonight. Honestly, it was hard to put the PSVS down because I was hitting the ball so well with it and it felt so good, but I did break it out for a few tfiebreakers at the end of the night, and it was a good experience. Of course, it's not a direct apples to apples comparison, mainly because the strings are different, and that obviously changes things up a lot. But, I've hit with enough string combos in the PSVS for that not to matter too much, and I would say that it basically feels like the exact same racquet, but slightly more muted, perhaps. To me, that is not a real benefit, because the PSVS is already comfortable, but I think that is what's lead to the comments from reviewers saying it is more plush with a bigger sweetspot. The sweetspot is not really any bigger, it's just that off center contact is perhaps a little less jarring. But, that dampening makes the sweetspot a bit less sweet as well.

I don't think I'll bother doing too much more hitting with this one as a demo, however. I learned what I wanted to learn, which is that it's basically the same exact racquet, with small change in feel. I will likely pick up a used one down the line so I can do a full comparison, but am not in a rush to do so.

Long story short, if you like the PSVS, I think you'll like the PS 97 almost as much - and maybe more depending on how you prefer racquets to feel in general. Actual playability is nearly identical, and any differences can be attributed to the different string.

I'm happy I picked up a second PSVS now... at a very discounted price. Pat on the back for me!
 
Just got in a demo of the PS97 strung with rpm rough 17 and xcel 16, swing weight is 309
Wow that's low! My PS100 16x20 and 16x19 arrived strung with RPM Rough full bed, swing weights are 326 and 322 respectively. Interestingly, the 16x20 comes with a black grip, the 16x19 with a white grip. Random or planned?
 
Oh My... A demo with a tight pattern strung tight.. not a good representation of what the frame can do..
Sort of a wasted demo until the tension drops..or restrung...
But some may love that combination..
 
Oh My... A demo with a tight pattern strung tight.. not a good representation of what the frame can do..
Sort of a wasted demo until the tension drops..or restrung...
But some may love that combination..
Both of mine from tw as demos are freshly strung, says 51 on the side of the racquet, but I measured the tensions on my ert 300, and one was at 47 (normal post stringing tension loss) and the other was at 42, so something off with the stringer calibration or method. But both are in the realm of good from my perspective, especially playing outside in some colder temps.
 
@Fighting phoenix , this might be off topic but could you speak to the launch angle of the PSVS or the new PS97 vs the launch angle of the PA98? I've been thinking of pulling the trigger on a pure strike vs...
 
@Fighting phoenix , this might be off topic but could you speak to the launch angle of the PSVS or the new PS97 vs the launch angle of the PA98? I've been thinking of pulling the trigger on a pure strike vs...
The psvs has a much lower launch angle than the pa98 - very much a control frame with a little extra pop, does whip through the air quickly due to its headlight balance, great frame for someone who wants a lower launch angle and control, but a little extra pop vs other control frames. Also a plusher feel than the PAs.
 
Yeah - I think that’s standard.

The 16x20 is pretty close to spec but the 16x19 has a substantially lower SW. How were yours @Fighting phoenix ?
My 16x20 was 326sw, 16x19 322sw, so kind of flipped where they're supposed to be stock, but both are where I'd want them to be anyways so it's fine. I might want to add a little more weight to the handle for the 16x20 to get it a little more head light given the higher swing weight.
 
The psvs has a much lower launch angle than the pa98 - very much a control frame with a little extra pop, does whip through the air quickly due to its headlight balance, great frame for someone who wants a lower launch angle and control, but a little extra pop vs other control frames. Also a plusher feel than the PAs.
I've lurked around in this thread most of the day and have read your post several times. I main UP 18x20s currently and dabble with Artengo TR960 Control Tours, but what you state here is what I want. It's even becoming a necessity, just an injection of pop. That's all. I hit PCTs for a few years and loved them, but they became a lot of racquet for how often I played and my age. Something like the UPs/Artengos just slightly more powerful. Something lighter than the PCTs. Something more forgiving than my old TC95s. Dang, I need a PSVS or PS97. It's so clear now.
 
@Pneumated1 - Sounds to me like you should be looking at 98-ish player/bordering-on-pleener frames, with more direct/rawl feel, ie. 2024 CX 200 or Auxetic Radical MP. You'll get 80+% of the precision and feel, while getting noticeably more controllable pop.
 
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