push off from BOF during open rotational forehand?

[michalr]

Hi Guys,

what is your take on push off during open rotational forehand? Back (right) foot should have weight on the balls of the foot or on the heel?

It is hard to see in video but it seems to always be BOF with pros like Federer. Even though heel is often also on the ground, when they really go for the shot it seems they are the whole time only on the BOF:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw1q83U46iU&feature=player_detailpage#t=128s

Thanks,
Michal

 

[5263]

Hi Guys,

what is your take on push off during open rotational forehand? Back (right) foot should have weight on the balls of the foot or on the heel?

It is hard to see in video but it seems to always be BOF with pros like Federer. Even though heel is often also on the ground, when they really go for the shot it seems they are the whole time only on the BOF:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw1q83U46iU&feature=player_detailpage#t=128s

Thanks,
Michal

It is really more of a "push off" back to center. Up and to center balance.
Common mistake is to push from one side to overweight the other side, which often leads to moving the head, mishits, and not getting thru the ball.

 

[pushing_wins]

It is really more of a "push off" back to center. Up and to center balance.
Common mistake is to push from one side to overweight the other side, which often leads to moving the head, mishits, and not getting thru the ball.

the right knee turns inward?

 

[Xizel]

I start with a flat foot (balance purposes) and as I lean my torso back to get to the late ball, I lift myself back up from the leaning position and it's a vertical lift to generate power and topspin. My right knee also turns inward. I end with my follow through facing the cross court.

 

[pushing_wins]

I start with a flat foot (balance purposes) and as I lean my torso back to get to the late ball, I lift myself back up from the leaning position and it's a vertical lift to generate power and topspin. My right knee also turns inward. I end with my follow through facing the cross court.

the right knee turns inward and stays, as opposed to coming around. do you do the same?

the problem i had before was my right side coming around too soon. and lead to the probems 5263 described above

 

[5263]

the right knee turns inward?

Not really sure what you mean by the right knee turning inward.
That's not how I would think of it.
For me it is more like stepping out with the right foot to a lunge, then
pushing up and back to center balance.
Not sure the knee needs to turn, except maybe if airborne from the strong push and lift into the contact.

 

[pushing_wins]

Not really sure what you mean by the right knee turning inward.
That's not how I would think of it.
For me it is more like stepping out with the right foot to a lunge, then
pushing up and back to center balance.
Not sure the knee needs to turn, except maybe if airborne from the strong push and lift into the contact.

i dont quite understand what u mean.

this is what i m saying. right knee inward towards the left knee. not out and around. its described in the first part of the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hF0BdLH2Go

 

[5263]

i dont quite understand what u mean.

this is what i m saying. right knee inward towards the left knee. not out and around. its described in the first part of the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hF0BdLH2Go

I can see using the above if you used closed or neutral stance, but this OP is about open stance I think, so
I don't see it as applicable to that.
Maybe to some extent, especially if you lift is not so strong, but not how I see it at this point.

 

[charliefedererer]

Hi Guys,

what is your take on push off during open rotational forehand? Back (right) foot should have weight on the balls of the foot or on the heel?

It is hard to see in video but it seems to always be BOF with pros like Federer. Even though heel is often also on the ground, when they really go for the shot it seems they are the whole time only on the BOF:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw1q83U46iU&feature=player_detailpage#t=128s

Thanks,
Michal

BOF.

(I can't think of a time when sitting back on your heels in tennis is a good thing.)

 

[pushing_wins]

I can see using the above if you used closed or neutral stance, but this OP is about open stance I think, so
I don't see it as applicable to that.
Maybe to some extent, especially if you lift is not so strong, but not how I see it at this point.

imo, it also applies to open stance as well

if the net is 12 o'clock, your mometum should be moving towards 1 o'clock for any stance. intially and only for a split second. however, this component is necessary if u want to hit the forehand with any sort of drive.

could u explain what u mean by pushing off a lunge and re-centering? which direction is the momentum moving?

 

[5263]

imo, it also applies to open stance as well

if the net is 12 o'clock, your mometum should be moving towards 1 o'clock for any stance. intially and only for a split second. however, this component is necessary if u want to hit the forehand with any sort of drive.

could u explain what u mean by pushing off a lunge and re-centering? which direction is the momentum moving?

May be tough if you are not following so far but;

if you are right handed, hitting a Fh, and facing the net,
ball coming to you on Fh side, one step away,
I would step out to open stance with rt leg/foot,
ft foot would turned probably about 30degr off parallel to baseline,
leg would be well bent/flexed to augment getting below the contact,
much like this vid at 31 secs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ImeQaAyFPc&feature=related
and pushing up to a centered and balanced position at 36 secs

I just used this vid cause it hit some of the ref points I was trying to convey, even though he does not push into the air on these practice shots or
hit the same points every time.

 

[pushing_wins]

May be tough if you are not following so far but;

if you are right handed, hitting a Fh, and facing the net,
ball coming to you on Fh side, one step away,
I would step out to open stance with rt leg/foot,
ft foot would turned probably about 30degr off parallel to baseline,
leg would be well bent/flexed to augment getting below the contact,
much like this vid at 31 secs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ImeQaAyFPc&feature=related
and pushing up to a centered and balanced position at 36 secs

I just used this vid cause it hit some of the ref points I was trying to convey, even though he does not push into the air on these practice shots or
hit the same points every time.

31-32 sec, right foot slides back towards 8 oclock. 12 oclock being the net. i dont see how this can be achieved by pushing off the right foot. its more of a pivot to me


also, your right knee should be aligned ahead of your right toes

 

[5263]

31-32 sec, right foot slides back towards 8 oclock. 12 oclock being the net. i dont see how this can be achieved by pushing off the right foot. its more of a pivot to me


also, your right knee should be aligned ahead of your right toes

Not saying you are right or wrong, but just that is not how I perceive it or think of it.
In golf you don't lift up into the contact like we do with TS shots.

 

[pushing_wins]

Not saying you are right or wrong, but just that is not how I perceive it or think of it.
In golf you don't lift up into the contact like we do with TS shots.

what is the most critical component of the forehand to you?