pushers are not good volleyers?

TENNIS_99

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I have read a lot of discussion about dealing with pushers in this forum. It seems a lot people suggest bringing in the pushers to the net because usually they are not good volleyers. I have different experiences.

Most of the players I played with hitting low pace,safe shots,rarely go for a winner, moon ball a lot, are also good volleyers. They choose to play safe. They don't construct a point to come to the net. But if they are brought to the net they can volley. Now I found not too many with good overhead though. I think this has to do with their two dimensional management at court. Anyone second this?
 
I think it's a safe generalization to say Pushers don't volley well. Obviously, you'll enounter the oddball pusher who can, but the volleying skill is not usually associated with Pushers.

- KK
 
I've never seen any pusher that was a good volleyer either, but then again if your passing shot is a sitter, then it wont take a good volleyer to put it away. If you decide to bring in a pusher, make sure that you hit a hard shot back to them, usually this is to the left hip. They'll probably get caught with an eastern forehand grip and will just have no way to volley. Watch out for the lucky frame shot dink return though.

Your drop shot must be good. In my experience, if the ball lands midcourt, they can place a soft angle on it and then they run back to the baseline. You may end up getting the tough shot. That is why some pushers are notorious, they don't commit the errors, they make you anxious and start going for winners on difficult balls, leading to unforced errors.

Anyhoo, I'm just rambling off my admittedly limited experience :)
 
Yeah I agree although people tell me to punch at the ball truth is get feet in right position get uip to ball take it as high up as possible and play with short swing either slice or flat to keep bounce low look at pros they it a volley and it never bounces if you punch o push you won't get that effect.
 
TENNIS_99 said:
I have read a lot of discussion about dealing with pushers in this forum. It seems a lot people suggest bringing in the pushers to the net because usually they are not good volleyers. I have different experiences.

Most of the players I played with hitting low pace,safe shots,rarely go for a winner, moon ball a lot, are also good volleyers. They choose to play safe. They don't construct a point to come to the net. But if they are brought to the net they can volley. Now I found not too many with good overhead though. I think this has to do with their two dimensional management at court. Anyone second this?
The only thing that separates me from pushers is that I come to the net a lot. I needed something in my repertoire to get rid of the pusher label. ;)
 
Either bring them to net or get to net yourself when playing pushers. If they volley well, then you will have to go yourself. If they hit great passing shots, then they aren't really pushers. If they throw up great lobs, then don't rush the net too close and now you can work on your overhead to where you can get past pusher level.
 
kevhen said:
Either bring them to net or get to net yourself when playing pushers. If they volley well, then you will have to go yourself. If they hit great passing shots, then they aren't really pushers. If they throw up great lobs, then don't rush the net too close and now you can work on your overhead to where you can get past pusher level.
Great advice.
 
TENNIS_99 said:
I have read a lot of discussion about dealing with pushers in this forum. It seems a lot people suggest bringing in the pushers to the net because usually they are not good volleyers. I have different experiences.

Most of the players I played with hitting low pace,safe shots,rarely go for a winner, moon ball a lot, are also good volleyers. They choose to play safe. They don't construct a point to come to the net. But if they are brought to the net they can volley. Now I found not too many with good overhead though. I think this has to do with their two dimensional management at court. Anyone second this?

Perhaps you start pushing the ball too when you play them? One or two hard struck, top-spin shots from you & the point is over, in your favor...
 
rocket said:
Perhaps you start pushing the ball too when you play them? One or two hard struck, top-spin shots from you & the point is over, in your favor...

I think a lot of pushers can play a controlled volley and a deep lob.

For me, I have played pushers that just thrive on my power (I don't tickle it back to them anyway!) I have found that against them I just end up getting tired and frustrated if I keep whacking the ball, unless it is a winner (and statistically, even the top players can only hit them 1 in 5?)

I try now to back off thumping it repetitively and wait for a "genuine" chance that I can do something with.

I know that pushers get a real slagging off here, but I have recently started to develop a respect for them as they don't let any ego get in the way of winning the match. I find that I am laughing more at myself and others that can't beat them, as if we were better tennis players we wouldn't be having these discussions.

"Pushers" beating "better" players? I think there is a clue in there somewhere... ;)
 
Osteo UK said:
I think a lot of pushers can play a controlled volley and a deep lob.

For me, I have played pushers that just thrive on my power (I don't tickle it back to them anyway!) I have found that against them I just end up getting tired and frustrated if I keep whacking the ball, unless it is a winner (and statistically, even the top players can only hit them 1 in 5?)

I try now to back off thumping it repetitively and wait for a "genuine" chance that I can do something with.

I know that pushers get a real slagging off here, but I have recently started to develop a respect for them as they don't let any ego get in the way of winning the match. I find that I am laughing more at myself and others that can't beat them, as if we were better tennis players we wouldn't be having these discussions.

"Pushers" beating "better" players? I think there is a clue in there somewhere... ;)


If a guy keeps beating you, you have to begin to respect it, and take a look in the mirror.

I spent a good portion of my summer getting pounded by a player I would describe as the ultimate pusher. He simply doesn't miss. We're talking 2-3 unforced errors a set. He runs down everything, he gets my 1st serve (a strength) back (weakly, but it still comes back). He hits great lobs, and does an incredible job of running down overheads.

If an unknowing observer watched us warm-up, I don't think I'm being arrogant in thinking the observer would pick me to win the match. Yet, I rarely got more than 3 games off this guy. I would get so frustrated during some of those sets (like, say, when he hit a lunging chop lob off my serve that gently floated over me as I attempted to serve/volley, landing right on the baseline. For the 4th time in the set) that I would start to yell at him to swing at the damn ball. Other times, I'd get in moonball wars- just stand there with the racquet dangling while he hit a floater, then bloop it right back to him. Nothing worked.

Finally, I just had to give the guy his props, and see that, as infuriating as the style is, he's a really, really good match player. Especially because its not just me he does this too. Watching him hit, its 3.0 pace, but I've seen him beat players who are easily 4.0. He could probably compete with 4.5's, unless they just annihilated his serve to an extent that made it impossible for him to hold.

The one thing I did to him, and have done to other pushers, that seems to work, is to start to purposely hit short, soft, angled shots. A good pusher wants to play deep. He loves to run around in back of the baseline, to just sit back there, catch powerful shots, and toss them back. If you can slow your swing down enough to make him come in, it catches him off guard, and takes him out of his comfort zone. You might even force some errors- and an error sticks in a pusher's head to a far greater extent than if you hit a winner on him, because the pusher style is to avoid UE's at all cost.

Give the devil his due- winning is the goal of any tennis match. If someone can do it in a way that's like unanesthisized dental surgery, it still counts the same.
 
Here we go! Finally there are some opinions about playing pushers similar to some of my own experiences.

Read from the forum a lot about playing pushers, few of them give pushers the respects they deserve - practicing fundamental tennis. If Brad Gilbert is so impressed in his book - Winning Ugly by watching a 4.0 pusher playing , it says something. I believe Gilbert has seen enough pros players.

I think sometimes it is quite misleading to say pushers usually can't volley. If someone can return your high pace ground strokes and give you problems, chances are he is quite good at his racquet. I am not saying it is wrong to bring the pushers forward - it is a good strategy to take him out of his comfort zone. But there is still work to do - sometime tough than one thinks.

A player can only return you slow pace ball and had no volley is a player lower than par. Everyone seems to have his own definition of pusher, but this certainly not mine.:mrgreen:
 
mj01 said:
If an unknowing observer watched us warm-up, I don't think I'm being arrogant in thinking the observer would pick me to win the match.

I had one of those last year against someone that even when we played doubles, I thought I was the better player. He later asked if I wanted a singles on one club night and I thought yes!

I then lost 6-1, 6-0! The first time that I have had a bagel in three years AND against someone that was "just a pusher".

Told you.. got to laugh! :mrgreen:
 
Osteo UK said:
I had one of those last year against someone that even when we played doubles, I thought I was the better player. He later asked if I wanted a singles on one club night and I thought yes!

I then lost 6-1, 6-0! The first time that I have had a bagel in three years AND against someone that was "just a pusher".

Told you.. got to laugh! :mrgreen:

Your pusher and mine sound like clones. I think there might a factory somewhere that produces them and ships them around the globe to create misery, for whatever twisted reason. My pusher also doesn't excel in doubles (and doesn't even like playing doubles, because it negates most of his strengths).

Also, I agree with those saying a good pusher will be a decent volleyer. Like TENNIS_99 said, a pusher who can succeed against players generating a ton of pace must have excellent racquet control, and that's generally going to translate into being at least decent at the net.

Its no fun to play a good pusher, but there are a lot of lessons to be learned if you play one. I would suggest, though, for your own mental health, that you have someone else you can hit with who is a big basher. Playing a pusher can make you forget that the game is fun, and you need someone you can just go out and whack the ball back and forth with to remind you that it is fun.
 
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