Put all the great players at their peak against each other

[Defcon]

On proper surfaces - by that I mean no slowed down courts, no balls with reduced pressure etc. And ever player is at their peak.

On clay, Rafa wins. He was made for clay. Due respect to Borg but I don't think he beats Rafa.

On grass + fast HC (USO) - no one else would come close to Fed/Sampras. Nadal/Djok would get destroyed by Pete. And Pete would lose to Fed.

On slow HC (AO), the field is a bit larger, but again I don't think anyone has much of a chance vs Fed.

 

[SuperSpinner]

Yes you got it all pretty much right.

 

[Federev]

Agreed.

CLAYDAL clay GOAT.

FEDR GOAT - all other surfaces.

 

[HashDump]

Peak Rafa is unbeatable at any surface. Look at 2013.

 

[Devin]

Eh, considering absolute best form at each tournament:

AO: Federer > Djokovic ~ Safin
IW: Federer
Miami: Djokovic
Monte Carlo: Nadal
Rome: Nadal
Hamburg/Madrid: Nadal ~ Federer
RG: Nadal
Wimbledon: Federer
Canada: Djokovic
Cincy: Federer
USO: Federer ~ Safin
Madrid/Shanghai: Federer ~ Djokovic
Paris: Djokovic
WTF: Federer

 

[HashDump]

Biggest fail of Federer carieer is to bear Rafa at FO. Even Djokovic did it. Federer at his peak was trash against Rafa at clay, but Rafa did it much better on hard courts than Fed on clay. Sorry folks, sad but true.

 

[Ann]

On proper surfaces - by that I mean no slowed down courts, no balls with reduced pressure etc. And ever player is at their peak.

On clay, Rafa wins. He was made for clay. Due respect to Borg but I don't think he beats Rafa.

On grass + fast HC (USO) - no one else would come close to Fed/Sampras. Nadal/Djok would get destroyed by Pete. And Pete would lose to Fed.

On slow HC (AO), the field is a bit larger, but again I don't think anyone has much of a chance vs Fed.

Connor, McEnroe and Borg shouldn't be discounted so easily.

 

[SuperSpinner]

Connor, McEnroe and Borg shouldn't be discounted so easily.

Connor never played pro tennis.

 

[MLM]

Biggest fail of Federer carieer is to bear Rafa at FO. Even Djokovic did it. Federer at his peak was trash against Rafa at clay, but Rafa did it much better on hard courts than Fed on clay. Sorry folks, sad but true.

Peak Fed would beat 2015 Rafa at RG, not really a great comparison. Also what do you mean “even Djokovic”? Is Novak a mug now? Literally two people have accomplished that feat you can’t say “even Djokovic”.

 

[Guy Jones]

I think a peak Safin would beat the peak level from anyone else. Shame he was such a playboy/enigmatic character to give tennis his full commitment. He was a player to cherish in the memories though, the GOAT in terms of peak level IMO.

 

[ReturnAndVolley]

On proper surfaces - by that I mean no slowed down courts, no balls with reduced pressure etc. And ever player is at their peak.

On clay, Rafa wins. He was made for clay. Due respect to Borg but I don't think he beats Rafa.

On grass + fast HC (USO) - no one else would come close to Fed/Sampras. Nadal/Djok would get destroyed by Pete. And Pete would lose to Fed.

On slow HC (AO), the field is a bit larger, but again I don't think anyone has much of a chance vs Fed.

I think AO is faster than USO

 

[captainbryce]

On proper surfaces - by that I mean no slowed down courts, no balls with reduced pressure etc. And ever player is at their peak.

On clay, Rafa wins. He was made for clay. Due respect to Borg but I don't think he beats Rafa.

On grass + fast HC (USO) - no one else would come close to Fed/Sampras. Nadal/Djok would get destroyed by Pete. And Pete would lose to Fed.

On slow HC (AO), the field is a bit larger, but again I don't think anyone has much of a chance vs Fed.

I agree with most of that, except I'd make a distinction between "fast grass" and "slow grass". On fast grass, I think Sampras win over Federer. But on Slow grass, peak Federer is the best.

On slow hardcourt, the order for me is Djokovic>Federer>Sampras>Agassi

 

[HashDump]

Peak Fed would beat 2015 Rafa at RG, not really a great comparison. Also what do you mean “even Djokovic”? Is Novak a mug now? Literally two people have accomplished that feat you can’t say “even Djokovic”.

Would? You don't want to hear what Rafa would do if he wasn't injured most of the time.
Peak Federer is beatable on any surface by peak Rafa. Peak Rafa is unbeatble on clay.

 

[OhYes]

On proper surfaces - by that I mean no slowed down courts, no balls with reduced pressure etc. And ever player is at their peak.

On clay, Rafa wins. He was made for clay. Due respect to Borg but I don't think he beats Rafa.

On grass + fast HC (USO) - no one else would come close to Fed/Sampras. Nadal/Djok would get destroyed by Pete. And Pete would lose to Fed.

On slow HC (AO), the field is a bit larger, but again I don't think anyone has much of a chance vs Fed.

You forgot blue clay intentionaly so nobody could say you root for Fed.

 

[KINGROGER]

Peak Fed on medium, medium fast and fast HC. Tie with Sampras on fast grass, Fed on slower grass.

 

[-NN-]

On proper surfaces - by that I mean no slowed down courts, no balls with reduced pressure etc. And ever player is at their peak.

On clay, Rafa wins. He was made for clay. Due respect to Borg but I don't think he beats Rafa.

On grass + fast HC (USO) - no one else would come close to Fed/Sampras. Nadal/Djok would get destroyed by Pete. And Pete would lose to Fed.

On slow HC (AO), the field is a bit larger, but again I don't think anyone has much of a chance vs Fed.

Good thread.

On clay I have to go with Rafa.

On grass + fast HC + slow HC I give the edge to Federer but think Osaka stands a good chance.

 

[Defcon]

Connor, McEnroe and Borg shouldn't be discounted so easily.

McEnroe you can talk about. Connor was a nobody in terms of tennis talent compared to the true greats, he's only famous because of his attitude and his rivalries and that SF run.
JMac would have no chance vs someone like Pete who was 10x deadlier and just as good at SV. Let alone Fed. I do think he'd give almost anyone else a decent run on grass.

 

[Defcon]

Would? You don't want to hear what Rafa would do if he wasn't injured most of the time.
Peak Federer is beatable on any surface by peak Rafa. Peak Rafa is unbeatble on clay.

Can with stop with the 'Rafa is injured' nonsense - he's had some 'injury' at every single big event he's lost, its a joke.

Peak Fed is beatable on any surface - you just showed your ignorance. I suppose you know better than every tennis player right?

Peak Rafa doesn't even make SF on any other surface in a field of greats - just look at his WTF results which he's never won.

 

[HashDump]

Can with stop with the 'Rafa is injured' nonsense - he's had some 'injury' at every single big event he's lost, its a joke.

Peak Fed is beatable on any surface - you just showed your ignorance. I suppose you know better than every tennis player right?

Peak Rafa doesn't even make SF on any other surface in a field of greats - just look at his WTF results which he's never won.

First of all, you can't pick one single tournament when you talk about surface. How about Federer in Monte Carlo?
I said Federer was trash on clay trough whole his career. You can't compare Rafa on HC and Fed on clay. Don't be ignorant pls. How many times Federer beat Rafa on clay? He is ducking the clay since when?

 

[what_army]

First of all, you can't pick one single tournament when you talk about surface. How about Federer in Monte Carlo?
I said Federer was trash on clay trough whole his career. You can't compare Rafa on HC and Fed on clay. Don't be ignorant pls. How many times Federer beat Rafa on clay? He is ducking the clay since when?

And yet he’ll forever be the King of blue clay



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[justasport]

Australian Open- Federer and Djokovic tied with 6 titles
French Open- Nadal leads with 11 titles
Wimbledon- Federer leads with 8 titles
US Open- Federer, Sampras and Connors tied with 5 titles
Masters Cup: Federer leads with 6 titles

 

[justasport]

In my above post there is one common denominator in 4 of the biggest 5 tournaments in the world, and that is the name Roger Federer. That's why he's the greatest folks. He either leads with titles at each tournament or he is a co-leader. That speaks volumes for his consistency and variety across all surfaces. In my opinion the one that comes next is Novak as much as I hate to say it. I think he will go down as the 2nd greatest of all time behind Roger.

 

[helterskelter]

McEnroe you can talk about. Connor was a nobody in terms of tennis talent compared to the true greats, he's only famous because of his attitude and his rivalries and that SF run.
JMac would have no chance vs someone like Pete who was 10x deadlier and just as good at SV. Let alone Fed. I do think he'd give almost anyone else a decent run on grass.

Sampras is just as good at serving and volleying as McEnroe? Well, in that his serve was much, much better, I suppose that might be true. But his volleys - great though they were - were just not on a par with those of McEnroe.

 

[OldschoolKIaus]

All too easy!

Federer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sampras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadal >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Djokovic.

 

[Federev]

First of all, you can't pick one single tournament when you talk about surface. How about Federer in Monte Carlo?
I said Federer was trash on clay trough whole his career. You can't compare Rafa on HC and Fed on clay. Don't be ignorant pls. How many times Federer beat Rafa on clay? He is ducking the clay since when?

You lost me on "Federer was trash on clay". 5 FO finals is trash. LOL.

 

[HashDump]

You lost me on "Federer was trash on clay". 5 FO finals is trash. LOL.

 

[Federev]

One Poor match-up does not dethrone a GOAT, but off clay he’s actually got a winning H2H, and...last year 5 matches have been great.

And Fed’s doing ok as the record holder at wimby, USO, AO, snd WTF . So I’m cool.

 

[tennisfan2015]

Connor never played pro tennis.

Yeah you are right, just UFC.

 

[abmk]

Some of the ignorance in this thread is mind-blowing , even by TTW standards.

 

[RS]

Peak Fed on medium, medium fast and fast HC. Tie with Sampras on fast grass, Fed on slower grass.

Federer never played on the pre 2001 grass in his Prime. Yet you tie him with Sampras.
We don’t know if Fed would have been the best on the pre 2001-2003 faster HC in his Prime as well.
Federer is slightly worse than Djokovic on medium HC IMO.

 

[RS]

Can with stop with the 'Rafa is injured' nonsense - he's had some 'injury' at every single big event he's lost, its a joke.
Not every time that would be a excuse. But he has been unluckier than most of his peers with pain/injuries. People will always wonder how much more consistent he could have been. That’s a era he gets criticised for a lot.

Peak Fed is beatable on any surface - you just showed your ignorance. I suppose you know better than every tennis player right?

Peak Rafa doesn't even make SF on any other surface in a field of greats - just look at his WTF results which he's never won.

Nadal has reached 2 F and 3 SF even at WTF. He did quite well when he was fit but of course not winning it is vital.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Federer lost 21 of the 30 most important matches he played against the two best players he met.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Finals vs the other two:

djokovic 27-16
nadal 24-24
federer 16-27

Slams:

nadal 18-8
djokovic 14-15
federer 9-18

 

[SuperSpinner]

Yeah you are right, just UFC.

Hmmm, I know Conor is in UFC, but not Connor.