Put prime Djokovic in Federer's shoes in 2004-08

[Oleksandr.Usyk]

Djokovic without Federer wouldn’t be the player he became later.

That's a huge simplification and foul, because Djokovic would be motivated by other players and his ambitious competitive attitude. And more important, he would have a huge mental edge over young players, which is the big part of Federer's magic... Federer won so many GS, because he had the mental edge over less experienced players. No wonder Federer end up so badly after his rivals became men. Old Djokovic would suffocate young talented nervous Federer from Switz Mountains.

 

[Razer]

he would have a huge mental edge over young players, which is the big part of Federer's magic... Federer won so many GS, because he had the mental edge over less experienced players.

This is the classic nonsense which people who never saw peak Fed often say
.
Federer's edge was never his mental strength/mental edge because he never had 1 in the beginning, his edge was always his talent, infact it was the younger players who always caused problem for Federer. Nalbandian, young Ancic all were younger than Federer, you think these guys if they were older would have the edge which they had? Nothing, it vanishes..... If you put Federer as the younger player by a margin then he automatically destroys you after he hits his peak. Whoever had advantage over Fed was when Fed was young, not the other way round. Nadal had athletic and matchup edge over Fed while Djokovic had serious age adv. Murray + Stan even with age adv won nothing, you put them same aged as Fed and they both become like Davydenko, Blake type guys, totally buried under Federer with a full overlap.

You guys under estimate Federer thinking he won because of edge over younger players? LOL.... He is not Djokovic to do that, Federer's advantage over anyone was his skill and his weakness was his mental aspect, but if the age is same then the mental aspect comes less into play since his skill advantage just beats you.

 

[Oleksandr.Usyk]

If Roddick and Djokovic are born in the same year (1982) with Federer 5 years younger (born in 1987) then Djokovic wins less wimbledons that Roddick.

2003 Roddick beats 2008 Djokovic to win his 1st Wimbledon
2004 Roddick beats 2009 Djokovic to win his 2nd Wimbledon
2005 Roddick beats 2010 Djokovic and probably beats 2005 Hewitt too for his 3rd Wimbledon, tossup but lets give Roddick his 3rd wimbeldon because he would have the confidence of being a 2 time defending champ

* at this point Djokovic is a proper pigeon of Roddick on Grass *

2011 Djokovic finally breaks free and wins his 1st wimbledon beating 2006 Nadal in 2006
2012 Djokovic beats 2007 Nadal again in 2007, I am giving Djokovic the benefit of doubt here.
2013 Djokovic will however lose to 2008 Nadal who will be at his peak, he will win here...
2014 Djokovic vs 2009 Roddick vs 2003 Federer .... what a fight... I think 2003 Federer wins and thus the Federer era begins
2015 Djokovic vs 2004 Federer again results in Federer winning in 2010

2005 onwards Federer cannot be touched, he wins almost everything for the next 10 years, maybe till next year (2025) Federer keeps on winning.

So the result would be

Federer - 11 wimbledons
Roddick - 3 Wimbledons
Djokovic - 2 Wimbledons
Nadal - 1 Wimbledon
Hewitt - 1 Wimbledon
Murray - 0

Am I calculating it right ? @NoleFam @BorgTheGOAT @metsman @fedfan24 @StefanV ?

Hihihi, this is a next level cope. Do you think that Roddick would invent a cure for cancer and stop the War in Iraq if the same age with Djokovic? Roddick is just another product of dark era which inflated his stats. I don't even mention that if you play game "if", I could mention IF Djokovic starts a glutein free diet while he was 19... Roddick would win max one set in any of their matches until the end of his career.

I hope you will give us a Slumdog Millionaire fairytale next time. It could be about alternative reality where Roddick as a homeless wins with his marvelous IQ a knowledge competition and buy a plane ticket to watch Wimbledon from center court (final would be Messi vs CR7).

 

[Oleksandr.Usyk]

This is the classic nonsense which people who never saw peak Fed often say
.
Federer's edge was never his mental strength/mental edge because he never had 1, his edge was always his talent, infact it was the younger players who always caused problem for Federer. Nalbandian, young Ancic all were younger than Federer, you think these guys if they were older would have the edge which they had? Nothing, it vanishes..... If you put Federer as the younger player by a margin then he automatically destroys you after he hits his peak. Whoever had advantage over Fed was when Fed was young, not the other way round. Nadal had athletic and matchup edge over Fed while Djokovic had serious age adv. Murray + Stan even with age adv won nothing, you put them same aged as Fed and they both become like Davydenko, Blake type guys, totally buried under Federer with a full overlap.

You guys under estimate Federer thinking he won because of edge over younger players? LOL.... He is not Djokovic to do that, Federer's advantage over anyone was his skill and his weakness was his mental aspect, but if the age is same then the mental aspect comes less into play since his skill advantage just beats you.

I read only first sentence, because your first sentence was manipulation itself... Federer is super talented... But he looks good only when there is no resistence and generational talents. If Federer would have to conquer ATP against Prime Djokovic, Murray or Nadal, Roger would choked with his talent. Federer's was clearly too mentally fragile against the biggest rivals that even his talent could not covered it up and got fully exposed. Let's see Federer's H2H with Murray before 2008... That's terrible for so called maestro. So no, Federer did not rule through his talent. Roger ruled because his mental weaknes was not tested by good players, because they did not develop yet.

 

[Razer]

I read only first sentence, because your first sentence was manipulation itself... Federer is super talented... But he looks good only when there is no resistence and generational talents. If Federer would have to conquer ATP against Prime Djokovic, Murray or Nadal, Roger would choked with his talent. Federer's was clearly too mentally fragile against the biggest rivals that even his talent could not covered it up and got fully exposed. Let's see Federer's H2H with Murray before 2008... That's terrible for so called maestro. So no, Federer did not rule through his talent. Roger ruled because his mental weaknes was not tested by good players, because they did not develop yet.

Hewitt, Safin, Roddick, Ferrero, Nalby all had mental edge over Federer until the end of 2003, it was Federer's talent which helped him break free.

What so special about Federer's h2h vs Murray before 2008 or after 2008 ? I don't see any relevance. Did Murray ever beat Fed in a slam outside of 2013 ? You think it is mental edge which kept Fed above Murray? Murray doesn't have the game to beat Fed, thats why he is a loser.

Even for Djokovic the Mental edge doesn't help him without the skills and age advantage to bridge the skill gap. Novak used his physicality well mixed with his mental strength to overcome Federer, kudos to him for that but in this scenario those things all vanish.

 

[metsman]

2012 Djokovic beats 2007 Nadal again in 2007, I am giving Djokovic the benefit of doubt here.

ROFLMAO.

Does anyone have any faith that 2012 Djokovic beats 2012 Murray in a Wimbledon final? 07 Ned > 12 Fed > 12 Murray, two levels above. Even if we handwave a level due to "matchup" 07 Ned is still at least a level above 12 Djokovic. You need a lot more than benefit of doubt to give Djokovic that one, as it's not a 50/50 match.

 

[fedfan24]

If Roddick and Djokovic are born in the same year (1982) with Federer 5 years younger (born in 1987) then Djokovic wins less wimbledons that Roddick.

2003 Roddick beats 2008 Djokovic to win his 1st Wimbledon
2004 Roddick beats 2009 Djokovic to win his 2nd Wimbledon
2005 Roddick beats 2010 Djokovic and probably beats 2005 Hewitt too for his 3rd Wimbledon, tossup but lets give Roddick his 3rd wimbeldon because he would have the confidence of being a 2 time defending champ

* at this point Djokovic is a proper pigeon of Roddick on Grass *

2011 Djokovic finally breaks free and wins his 1st wimbledon beating 2006 Nadal in 2006
2012 Djokovic beats 2007 Nadal again in 2007, I am giving Djokovic the benefit of doubt here.
2013 Djokovic will however lose to 2008 Nadal who will be at his peak, he will win here...
2014 Djokovic vs 2009 Roddick vs 2003 Federer .... what a fight... I think 2003 Federer wins and thus the Federer era begins in 2009
2015 Djokovic vs 2004 Federer again results in Federer winning in 2010

2005 onwards Federer cannot be touched, he wins almost everything for the next 10 years, maybe till next year (2025) Federer keeps on winning.

So the result would be

Federer - 11 wimbledons
Roddick - 3 Wimbledons
Djokovic - 2 Wimbledons
Nadal - 1 Wimbledon
Hewitt - 1 Wimbledon
Murray - 0

Am I calculating it right ? @NoleFam @BorgTheGOAT @metsman @fedfan24 @StefanV ?

5 years younger Federer would be a massacre. 2014 fed who had lost half his speed and his signature FH ran peak djokovic very close and could’ve won it. Did the same again in 2015 for 2 sets before running out of steam. Absolute peak 03/04 fed at W with his monster FH, peak speed, defence, slice, explosiveness doesn’t lose more than a set.

Then you’ve got 06 vs 18, 07 vs 19, 09 vs 21 and it’s a bloodbath. Djokovic can win 2022 as 2010 fed was crap but then he starts winning again with his 11,12,14,15,17,19 forms.

 

[objection_]

Alright, time for another hypothetical, we'll super impose djoko into fed's draws I guess. (he'll have to face younger version of himself though to make it fair)

2011 in 2004:
AO: Wins, not an easy one though, but probably Djoko's best all round AO form so he gets through this
Sunshine Double: Wins
Rome: Wins
Madrid/Hamburg: Not too sure, Coria was in excellent form at the time. 70% favour Djoko
RG: Likely wins, neither finalist was particularly impressive
Wimbledon: Roddick played excellently. Slight edge Djoko
Canada: Wins
Cincy: Loses to injury
USO: Quite close, although I don't know how the winds would affect Djoko in the Agassi QF. Slight edge Djoko
Post USO: None
2 Slams and 4 masters, with a good chance at a few more.

2012 in 2005:
AO: Tight one, Djoko was pushed hard in his run by peakray and peakdal, peaking Saf would def pose a tough test. 50/50 chances
IW: Probably wins
Miami, tight against youngdal, BO3 I'd favour youngdal but he fell off in the final set. 70/30 Djoko
MC: Loses to youngdal
Rome: Loses to youngdal or coria
Madrid/Hamburg, tough to compare blue clay form, would probably back Djoko based on draw.
RG: Think youngdal edges this one.
Wim: Fed's IRL draw was pretty tough in this one, would back Djoko 65/35 based on how Rod played in the F
Canada: Beats youngdal
Cincy: Rod could take this based on Djoko's first set play. Have no idea how Djoko would do in a third set so I give him the edge 60/40.
USO: Probably wins, Hewitt would be tough in the SF and Dre would make him pay in the first two sets, but I trust Djoko's fitness to edge this one out.
Indoors: Takes Shanghai/Madrid would be a battle against youngdal, don't think youngdal would come back from 2 sets down against Djoko though. Nole probably takes the WTF too due to being full fitness unlike Fed, plus i rate 2012 WTF very highly.
Good chances at 1-2 slams, 3-4 masters and ATP Finals

2013 in 2006:
AO: Wins
IW: Probably wins
Miami: He couldnt even beat ancient Haas, how is he gonna beat 06 Haas. Loses
MC: Tough to say, he'd have good chances against Youngdal in the first two sets, can't favour him over the better 06Dal. 30/70 chance
Madrid/Hamburg: Loses
Rome: Loses
RG: Tough to say, Djoko makes it to the F but I don't know if he can bring SF form into the F, not to mention he probably should have lost in 4. I see Nadal edging this one out. 40/60 for Djok
Wim: Probably gets mauled by babydal in 4 sets in the F, wins the first set though
Canada: Wins
Cincy: Good chance at a win
USO: Think he wins this one too, Blake was pretty good in the QF and Rod was good for 2 sets in the F, but Djoko takes it.
Shanghai/Madrid: Wins
Paris: Wins
ATP Finals, probably wins although babydal played better in the SF here than he did in 2013.
2 Slams, 3-4 Masters, probably atp finals too.

2014 in 2007:
AO: Probably takes it, don't know how he'd go against a zoning Gonzo in the F. 80/20 chances
IW: Tough against an excellent nadal. 50/50 chances
Miami: Wins
MC: Loses
Rome: Probably loses to nadal
RG: Loses to nadal
Wim: Tough against an excellent nadal, 45-65 chance
USO Swing: Doesn't win anything, falls flat and Fed had a tough draw at the open.
Shanghai/Madrid: tough against Nalby, slight edge 60/40
Paris: Wins
ATP Finals: Wins
1 Slam with a good chance of another, 2-3 masters and atp finals

2015 in 2008:
AO: Would back youngovic over 2015ovic here, oldovic just wasn't that impressive
Sunshine Double: Peakovic
MC: Loses to peakdal
Madrid/Hamburg: Loses to peakdal
Rome: Probably wins
RG: Loses to GodDal
Wim: Match against 08Dal would be a cracker, I don't think Djok has the same weakness compared to Fed on return though. Edge Djoko
Canada: Wins
Cincy: Might favour youngovic or murray here, they were quite impressive. 40/60 chance.
USO: Probably edges out 08ovic and spanks murray, most likely another slam
Indoor Swing: Wins both masters and atp finals.
1-2 Slams, 5-6 Masters, Atp finals.

Total tally: 8-9 Slams 18ish masters, 3-4 atp finals.
Pretty dominant, more so than Fed in BO3 as Peakerer skipped alot due to no byes and BO5 Finals, that could potentially lower Djoko's total count if he had those same conditions. Bit less dominant in slams though.

 

[Sport]

 

[Incognito]

Yes, if Djokovic came in Fed's place and Fed came later in Djokovic's place then Djokovic never improves in many areas and is instead chased by a younger Federer who would have crushed him. Doesn't bode well for Djokovic if age gap is reversed.

The only guy who would be unaffected in any birth year is.... I hate to say it... Rafael Nadal.... He is the guy who is assured 14 french opens in any era and some young age slams too in most eras.

Agree on everything, specially on the Nadal part.

 

[TheGoldenEra1990’s]

Nadal on grass 2007-2010 is just an overhyped product of not very competent and mentally weak Federer with one handed BH. This is basically Federer's stylistic nightmare against lefty top spin Nadal's forehand.

Prime Djokovic would destroy Prime Nadal on grass as he did in 2011. More matches --> more dominant wins for Prime Djokovic. H2H on Wimbledon would be 6-0 positive for Djokovic against Nadal.

What? Fed 04-08 was a better version that any Djoker that’s ever played on grass. Heck prime Djoker almost lost to 38 year old Fed on grass

 

[Unseeded Player]

0. Safin and Roddick own Djokovic.

Not prime Novak

 

[Unseeded Player]

What? Fed 04-08 was a better version that any Djoker that’s ever played on grass. Heck prime Djoker almost lost to 38 year old Fed on grass

2019 is not prime Djoker

 

[Bride of Alcaraz]

Nadal's peak athleticism would obliterate Djokovic at every slam, since Djokovic relies on his own athleticism to retrieve and push constantly, and peak Nadal was unmatched physically.
Once Nadal's knees got destroyed at 2009 AO, Djokovic's life got a whole lot easier!
And even after Nadal lost athleticism, he still beat Djokovic at 2010 and 2013 US Opens, and very nearly at 2012 AO (Nadal up a break in the 5th Set).

 

[Tennfan123]

Would be murdered in various slam finals by Nadal and upset by Safin and Nalbandian at will.

 

[fedfan24]

probably number 1 for most of 2004, 2006 then shares 05,07,08 with Nadal before Federer takes over from 09/10.

Doesn’t win as many slams. Can lose a few to Roddick, Safin, Nadal and other dangerous floaters on the quicker courts. possibly 4 AO, 0-1 RG, 2 Wimbledon, 2/3 USO 9-10 max. Doesn’t approach 16.

 

[robthai]

better question is how many slams does Djokovic win if he in 2011 had a 6 years younger Federer hitting his peak as well as a 5 years younger Nadal.

 

[robthai]

He still beats Roddick on grass. Sorry Fed fans.

same way he was supposed to beat Nishikori in that 2014 US Open semi? yeah im not convinced.

 

[RF-18]

There is a chance he squeeks in a CYGS but overall he is #1 for all those years.

 

[RoddickAce]

In this hypothetical, does Djokovic also have to start his pro career on faster surfaces against serve and volleyers, and then have to adjust to the basline era after? Also, does a 5-year younger Fed (turning pro right off the bat in the baseline era) then proceed to chase him?

This would impact how he approaches the game initially, and would stall the development into his eventual playstyle.

 

[GoatNo1]

the real peak nole would win all of them but we all know that hypothetical nole, in contrast to hypothetical fed, is the weakest hypothetical player of all time so he would not win any. moreover he would not be even a top10 player.

 

[ND-13]

There is a chance he squeeks in a CYGS but overall he is #1 for all those years.

Is this sarcasm or delusion ?

 

[RF-18]

Is this sarcasm or delusion ?

Who asked?

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Entire thread

100+ times done

Diddums.

 

[Hood_Man]

Well for one thing he wouldn't have faced a conveyor belt of useless next gen kids in finals at the French Open or Wimbledon year after year, he would have been facing the scariest version of Rafa at the French Open, a Roddick who consistently made finals at Wimbledon and won multiple trophies at Queen's (i.e. an actual grass court player), and then Rafa again who unlike in Djokovic's prime was getting better every year on clay and grass, not worse.

Then he would have faced the upcoming talents of the likes of Tsonga and Simon who, in Novak's absolutely best years, were pushing him to 5 sets and reaching match points against him at major tournaments.

He also wouldn't have been in a situation where every single rival of his was older and/or more injured than him.

237 consecutive weeks? Even at his peak when he had every advantage under the sun he only managed 1 season where he was ranked number 1 from the start of the year to the end (2015), and benefits, and by 2021 the last great gen had all but retired so all he had facing him were injured ageing millennials and pre-Alcaraz/Sinner youngsters who were more frightened of winning than losing.

Honestly this thread is an own goal of epic proportions.

 

[ND-13]

Who asked?

I am serious. Was it sarcasm ?

 

[Oleksandr.Usyk]

Nadal's peak athleticism would obliterate Djokovic at every slam, since Djokovic relies on his own athleticism to retrieve and push constantly, and peak Nadal was unmatched physically.
Once Nadal's knees got destroyed at 2009 AO, Djokovic's life got a whole lot easier!
And even after Nadal lost athleticism, he still beat Djokovic at 2010 and 2013 US Opens, and very nearly at 2012 AO (Nadal up a break in the 5th Set).

Nadal had pathetic backhand and serve from 2005 to 2009 ....... Prime Djokovic would expose him big time... Nadal would never win Wimbledon and Australian Open. Rafael Nadal 2010 to 2014 is more difficult to deal with than Nadal from 2005 to 2009.

 

[Neptune]

This is all the delusional, hypocritical experts need to know:
During the tough 9 years Big 4 era, including the entire three years from 2008-2010 when neither Nole nor Murray were in the top 2, Fedal—with all the help from the establishment—couldn’t separate themselves from Murray. In reality, the Big 4 = BOAT + Big 3.

RIP To Anyone Peaking In This Era

2008 – 16 vs Top5 T5 Weight vs Top10 T10 Weight vs T11+ T11+ Weight vs All Big Titles Points/Yr Nole 126 (80-46) 63.49% 17.17% 235 (170-65) 72.34% 32.02% 499 (460-39) 92.18% 67.98% 734 (630-104) 85.83% 45 11461 Rafa 94 (54-40) 57.45% 14.33% 170 (110-60) 64.71% 25.91%...

tt.tennis-warehouse.com

 

[nolefam_2024]

This is all the delusional, hypocritical experts need to know:
During the tough 9 years Big 4 era, including the entire three years from 2008-2010 when neither Nole nor Murray were in the top 2, Fedal—with all the help from the establishment—couldn’t separate themselves from Murray. In reality, the Big 4 = BOAT + Big 3.

RIP To Anyone Peaking In This Era

2008 – 16 vs Top5 T5 Weight vs Top10 T10 Weight vs T11+ T11+ Weight vs All Big Titles Points/Yr Nole 126 (80-46) 63.49% 17.17% 235 (170-65) 72.34% 32.02% 499 (460-39) 92.18% 67.98% 734 (630-104) 85.83% 45 11461 Rafa 94 (54-40) 57.45% 14.33% 170 (110-60) 64.71% 25.91%...

tt.tennis-warehouse.com

Exactly

 

[InsuranceMan]

I tried warning @NoleFam . It really makes people go after Djoker when you have bullies and trash users here. Some users just dont have class.

For real though, I was actually somewhat content with Novak doing his thing in these twilight years because he’s an undisputed top 3 all time for me and I really appreciate his proficiency and practical perfection in specialized areas but it was this place that really eroded at that

 

[InsuranceMan]

But not English.

 

[InsuranceMan]

He still beats Roddick on grass. Sorry Fed fans.

Agreed, I like Roddick but the mental edge or H2H or whatever argument is used is blown out of proportion by detractors. Not even in the same league

 

[Bride of Alcaraz]

Nadal had pathetic backhand and serve from 2005 to 2009 ....... Prime Djokovic would expose him big time... Nadal would never win Wimbledon and Australian Open. Rafael Nadal 2010 to 2014 is more difficult to deal with than Nadal from 2005 to 2009.

I saw a dvd of AO 2009 Final and Jim Courier said Nadal has the best backhand passing shot in tennis actually...
And Nadal's backhand was amazing at Wimbledon 2007-08.
2008 Nadal would obliterate 2018 Nadal at Wimbledon and on hardcourt too!

 

[GabeT]

Nobody gets tired of this? Really?

 

[nolefam_2024]

Nobody gets tired of this? Really?

I am

This topic is so unoriginal. Ttw admins need to step in and ban these threads and give warnings to ops

 

[RS]

Nobody gets tired of this? Really?

Even Uysk.

 

[RF-18]

I am serious. Was it sarcasm ?

Why would it be sarcastic that Djokovic dominates Roddick and the gang?

 

[TMF]

I am

This topic is so unoriginal. Ttw admins need to step in and ban these threads and give warnings to ops

TTW admins should step up and delete all the senseless GOAT threads made by Djoker fanboi

 

[jackson vile]

300+ consecutive weeks at #1 easily

One peak is much stronger than the other

Peak​	vs Top5​	T5 Weight​	vs Top10​	T10 Weight​	vs T11+​	T11+ Weight​	vs All​
Nole 11-13​	49 (34-15) 69.39%​	19.92%​	89 (69-20) 77.53%​	36.18%​	157 (150-7) 95.54%​	63.82%​	246 (219-27) 89.02%​
Fed 04-06​	31 (25-6) 80.65%​	11.83%​	58 (52-6) 89.66%​	22.14%​	204 (195-9) 95.59%​	77.86%​	262 (247-15) 94.27%​
​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​
Nole 14-16​	42 (32-10) 76.19%​	18.18%​	85 (71-14) 83.53%​	36.80%​	146 (137-9) 93.84%​	63.20%​	231 (208-23) 90.04%​
Fed 07-09​	36 (19-17) 52.78%​	15.58%​	63 (39-24) 61.90%​	27.27%​	168 (156-12) 92.86%​	72.73%​	231 (195-36) 84.42%​

T5 Weight 11.83%, vacuum?? lol

Can’t argue with the numbers Ultron would have outperformed Federer

 

[inflation_era]

Not prime Novak

Competition back then made a prime Novak sighting rarer than Bigfoot.

 

[grandefrankie]

0. Safin and Roddick own Djokovic.

In fairness neither are consistent enough to be ranked #1 over prime Djokovic, especialy Safin, regardless how you think they trouble him head to head.

 

[Third Serve]

Assuming this is a situation where we plug 2011 Djokovic in to 2004 and go from there, I don't think he has any problems holding on to the #1 until 2007 (the only real threat would be losing to Roddick at W 2004 as that would make Roddick the #1). I think he loses to Nadal at Wimbledon 2007 and surrenders the ranking then. A lot would also depend on how Djokovic fares in 2003 (as that would determine his ranking at the start of 2004). I'm gonna say somewhere in the realm of 150-180 consecutive weeks, which is immense but not quite at Fed's level. It's kinda hard to sustain a peak for that long.

 

[ConnorH]

How many consecutive weeks at #1 would he get? Could he get close to Federer's 237 consecutive weeks at #

Definitely more than 237 consecutive weeks of #1, and very likely 2 or 3 Calendar Year Grand Slams from 2004 to 2006 before Nadal peaks on clay.

More than15 slams total in 5 years, including at least:
5 AO
2 FO
4 WC
4 USO

 

[Sport]

Would be murdered in various slam finals by Nadal and upset by Safin and Nalbandian at will.

 

[grandefrankie]

Wins 0 French Opens, just like Federer did.

If we are talking the best 5 year stretch of Djokovic's career lets say 2011-2015 so for the rest:

Wimbledon- Loses to Roddick in 2004 and Nadal in 2007. Djokovic of 2014 was worse than the Djokovic of 2011 that beat Nadal, and Nadal of 2007 definitely better than the Nadal of 2011. Roddick is such a tough opponent for Djokovic in general that an on fire Roddick on grass, will win over Djokovic, other than maybe the 2015 Wimbledon Djokovic. HIs actual 2013 form at Wimbledon, getting straight setted by Murray, was not good at all for him, so likely loses to Nadal in 2006 too. Djokovic 2012 wins Wimbledon 2005 pretty easily, despite losing to Federer in 2012. Djokovic 2015 vs Nadal 2008 would be a blood bath, but probably would pick Djokovic as this is his best ever version at Wimbledon clearly (possibly Nadal's too though). So 1 or 2 titles here, quite possibly 2.

US Open- Wins 2004 in his 2011 form pretty handily I think. Probably wins 2005 at his 2012 level, despite losing to Murray in windy 5 set final in 2012. Played a mediocre final in losing to Nadal in 2013 so loses to recharged Roddick in 2006 final. In 2014 lost to Nishikori so obviously not winning US Open 2007. 2015 Djokovic wins US Open 2008 pretty easily I think. So 3 titles here I think. Funny he does better at US Open than Wimbledon, which shows how important competition, circumstances, and timing are to your success, as much as Djokovic fans are in denial about this.

Australian- 2011 Djokovic wins 2004. 2012 Djokovic loses to Safin in 2005 pretty much for sure. 2013 Djokovic wins 2006. 2014 Djokovic who lost to Wawrinka quite possibly loses to an on fire Gonzalez in 2007, but it is hard to say for sure. 2008 Djokovic won 2008, so pretty obviously 2015 Djokovic does. So 3 titles here, possibly 4.

Overall should come out to about 8 slams vs the 12 the superior Federer won those years. And Wimbledon is only his 3rd best slam in this scenario, atleast during his true prime years, and less successful for him than the US Open, which shows how insanely lucky and overachieving he has been at Wimbledon most of all.

 

[Mustard]

Safin? Lol. Safin would be 0:10 agaisnt Prime Djokovic.

Based on what?

At the time of this 2008 Wimbledon second round match, Djokovic was world number 3 and had recently been 1 match away from being world number 2 at 2008 Hamburg. Safin was world number 75 and hadn't won a tournament in well over 3 years.

 

[grandefrankie]

Based on what?

At the time of this 2008 Wimbledon second round match, Djokovic was world number 3 and had recently been 1 match away from being world number 2 at 2008 Hamburg. Safin was world number 75 and hadn't won a tournament in well over 3 years.

Yes and anyone who thinks Djokovic was not closer to his prime than Safin in 2008 is living in lala land. And grass is by far Safin's worst surface.

 

[Mustard]

Yes and anyone who thinks Djokovic was not closer to his prime than Safin in 2008 is living in lala land. And grass is by far Safin's worst surface.

Djokovic at the time had been on a continuous rise for a while, since the start of 2007 in particular. He had won 2007 Key Biscayne, 2007 Montreal, 2008 Australian Open, 2008 Indian Wells, been a runner-up at the 2007 US Open, 2007 Indian Wells and 2008 Queen's Club, a semi finalist at tournaments like 2007 French Open, 2007 Wimbledon, 2008 French Open, and famously had a 2008 Hamburg semi final against Nadal with the number 2 ranking on the line. All this at the height of the Federer vs. Nadal rivalry. Yet Safin beat Djokovic at 2008 Wimbledon pretty comfortably.

 

[grandefrankie]

Djokovic at the time had been on a continuous rise for a while, since the start of 2007 in particular. He had won 2007 Key Biscayne, 2007 Montreal, 2008 Australian Open, 2008 Indian Wells, been a runner-up at the 2007 US Open, 2007 Indian Wells and 2008 Queen's Club, a semi finalist at tournaments like 2007 French Open, 2007 Wimbledon, 2008 French Open, and famously had a 2008 Hamburg semi final against Nadal with the number 2 ranking on the line. All this at the height of the Federer vs. Nadal rivalry. Yet Safin beat Djokovic at 2008 Wimbledon pretty comfortably.

I remember well at that time too. I was completely shocked by the result. And it is just one match, but it is already enough to lay waste to any "prime Djokovic would go 10-0 vs prime Safin" nonsense.

 

[hoodjem]

0. Safin and Roddick own Djokovic.

Roddick? Really?