Discussion in 'Strings' started by pvaudio, Nov 22, 2010.
When are you going to try out the new Mikeler setup with B5E mains and Thunderblast crosses?
What'd you think of it?
And mikeler, Im think about trying that after all my other tests are done.
Cool, I'm curious to see if it is just a setup that clicks with me or if others feel it is a top notch setup too.
Seeing as we have pretty common perceptions on string, it'd be interesting. Remind me if I forget when I'm all done.
Definitely would be interested in your thoughts as well as Mr. PV.
Same here. From what little feedback I have received I gather it is supposed to be the softest and most powerful they've sold (I think). Please post other info if you have any! Also, should we try to updated the thread on differences b/w the P'maxx lines?
..Wonderin the same thing,...:neutral:
Heh, no full bed of Co Focus and I don't really expect to try it either. While I can play with no pain, full poly just doesn't feel as good to me.
As far as which holds tension longer, I am going to assume the Scorpion. I obviously don't know for sure since it's not been that long, but that stuff could pull a semi off the ground.
Full bed of cofocus is a very lackluster experience. It plays like a very average, ordinary poly. Control is good, spin is ok, feel is bad, comfort is nil.
The string shines in hybrid form, and if not for it's low-friction qualities, it would have slipped under all radars.
Thats helpful,...had it on my list,...now scratched !!!!.. :lol:
Newbie here and wanted to say how much I have enjoyed this thread.
PV, I noticed you went all the way down to 41 this time. Could you comment on the difference and what would be useable in a full bed of Scoorpion?
So, any thoughts on trying the possible Scorpion+ and the new P'maxx lines?
Thanks for the reply, but since I am in Canada, it's still not here yet...
If it turns out to be true, then I will definitely try that string. Emailing Ray now about it.
As far as the tension, the reason I went that low is that Performaxx Light Touch is a very unique gut that is designed to work only at low tensions. I had strung it traditionally and it was very poor. I henceforth listened to the owner and strung in the mid 45s. Better, but not there yet. This last time I strung at 41 and it was better than WT at its normal tension. Plus, since poly is so elastic, not much power was gained at all. Glad you're enjoying this.
Don't you worry about the shipping time. If it's the alcohol-based one, you won't get air shipping so you can expect at least a week.
Looking forward to what you find out!
I got it right after I made my last post...
Anyway, I currently have heavily frayed WT 1.20 on now, which always had lots of string movement for a gut even when it was new.
I spray my string bed with it 7-8 times on each side, moved the string per instruction, then sprayed another 5-6 times on each side. Played an hour today, while not sure if it's playing any better, it's def not any worse, and string do move back to place like poly would, after an hour of play only 3 mains moved slightly.
Edit: I got the alcohol based one.
I'm getting ready to order a couple of your sticks, the 4D200T, and I was wondering how low I could go with a full bed of Scorpion or BHBR? I'm a returning oldtimer, used to be a solid 4.5 with strokes pretty similar to yours (minus the serve), but my experience has all been on Prince POG OS using syn gut at >70 pounds. I love hitting with that but I feel like i give up a lot on the serve. What do you think?
Over the past year I have been gradually going down in tension on my 4D200Ts (full poly). Am currently playing with SP Hextreme at 36lb, my favorite sofar. Am very interested in how BHBR would perform at such low tensions, so if PV could oblige...
Have been playing full poly since the late nineties, but always at high tensions (>60lb). Now I will never go back up: very comfortable, very easy access to spin, still good toch on volleys, droppers and slice superb, big serving, what more could you want...? Took a couple of lessons with my coach (former Belgian WTA player) when she returned from shoulder injury. She was amazed at how my strokes had improved and how much more consistent I had become! So I'd say, go for it mate!
I am astonished as to how much I have improved. A student wanted restringing and since he didn't know that much about strings (was playing with year old Technifibre Polyspin), I decided to go hit around with him for half an hour. I was amazed at how I could control points and hit balls to elicit his returns to get an idea for what kind of action he puts on the ball. All I have to say is: while it may be money, a good coach is invaluable. Mine has definitely turned me from a good rec player to someone who takes the court seriously. No longer take my bag with crutches and an AED along with my tracheotomy kit JUST IN CASE! Just two sticks, a towel, and water. All you need. Just focus on the game. I'm going to keep on this path until I feel good enough that string change will give me more insight. In other words, I owe it to my coach from over the course of two years taking me from 3.5 to being able to push some 4.5 players. I cannot thank him enough.
BHBR is a very versatile string. I think that you'll find that for BHBR, that low tension will make the power increase. It's not too tension specific, but it definitely is not made like other polys (BHSR even) to be strung at super low tensions. I've found it works best between 45-58. Above that and you get that poly-board feeling, and below that, there's no benefits besides more power.
Everything is updated!
Okay, great. Hey, any word on TS Storm Metal or P'maxx Classic Touch?
You too, huh?
update on WC Scorpion/WT
Hi PV, been gone for the summer and returned to see this interesting thread still evolving. Congrats on your game improvement. When I was last here concensus was WC Scorpion/WT. I had my Bab APD's strung at 53/50 and have played on and off all summer with pleasing performance.
Can you write a little more about the performance of the new set up? Power, control, spin? Do I understand that now you are really happy with the Scorpion in the crosses and the Light Touch in the mains? And were they both at 41?
At my 3.0-3.5 level I use spin on serve and ground strokes to great advantage so I really don't want to give that up.
Just a side note but I just had one of my rackets restrung WT/WC Scorpion 48/52 where I had originally settled on 50/53 in the other racket. I didnt realize until this morning that the stringer had done it but when I used it the other night in a match, I was very displeased with the action on the ball. Granted it wasnt broken in but the difference in action, spin and control was remarkably off. Lost the second set and even the competition remarked that the second set balls had a lot less action.
Thanks a bunch for your take on BHBR. So where with normal polys I'm experiencing an increase in spin as I go to sub-40 tensions, you're saying I shouldn't expect that to happen with BHBR? So how would you rate the spin potential of BHBR strung at 45 as compared to strings like SP Tornado or Hextreme strung at 36-38?
I'm going to try using a brush to apply the Gold Bed, since it seems so wasteful and ineffective to spray it all over.
I totally agree about having a coach. The payoff is then using this game improvement by beating an arch rival in a tournament!
Contacted Ray, and I am not sure if he's sending me some for free, but he hinted at it. I'm really curious to see what it's like, but I'd be willing to buy them since I've had great experience with the company and him personally (unlike L-Tec).
Talked to Fred from Performaxx and in our 5 going back and forths, he hasn't responded to anything I've asked about regarding the Classic gut. We've mostly discussed newer iterations of the string spray (I use it a lot now just to get extra life out of my gut aka save me money ), and a blind playtest of some string he won't release details of. He's working on some project unrelated to tennis, so if I can extrapolate, his time is limited. I think I'll just purchase some Classic and then report for myself.
Curious you mention that brush
Have you spoken with Fred?
Yeah, it really is excellent. Compared to CoFocus, I wouldn't say that its better, only that it's better for my playing style. This isn't surprising as I fell in love with Scorpion for a long time after I first tried it.
Interesting. You're saying that the spin is diminished? In this case, I can say unequivocally that gut/scorp yields more spin than scorp/gut. With B5E and BHBR, not the case. I string so low because LT plays like poplar if strung above 50. It says that on the packaging, but I decided to be ignorant and not listen. ~40 yields excellent results. Do you have a youtube video? Perhaps if we can see your stroke style, it'd be more utilistic to recommend a string choice.
No, I said that with BHBR, you will experience a large power increase. BHBR is very, very unique in that it's still playable at very high tension, but at very low tension, it's too powerful. This is why many people have said that you get the spin and control of a poly, but the power of a multifilament. Below 50, the power goes up. With other polys, the power is pretty linear across the 40-55 range. Above that and it's boardy, and below that and the strings are just too loose to snap back like they would at higher tension. This is just based on my experience, however.
Thanks for the clarification. Coincidentallly, Orion3 just reported on BHBR at 38 in the 'Low, low tensions' thread. He said he had no issues with power at that tension, similar to other poly, but he was pretty ecstatic about the spin and touch. You may want to look it up. Goes to show, experiences vary between individuals. I think it's about time to find out for myself...!
Any other suggestions you think I may like? Got enough time to string up another stick.
I think LT/Thuderstrings Storm at 42/40.
Make that 42/38 just to be safe
I'm not saying that he's wrong (given that I haven't tried BHBR at 36lbs or so) but being a heavy BHBR user over the last few months, I am sceptical that BHBR would work well at those tensions. Loads of spin sure, but I would have thought that you're probably going to get loads of power as well, or the ball being lost in the stringbed which I suspect would be mush at that tension and which in turn is going to make volleying horrific. He's also an old school, 'I last played tennis 30 years ago' type of player which adds to my scepticism.
Not that I have a huge amount of experince of ultra low tensions polys but when I tried this, it only really worked for polys that were stiff and weren't very elastic to begin with, and even then there were major disadvantages to the advantages.
I will put BHBR @ 36lbs on my long list of things to try, given I have reels and reels of the stuff, but I can't say its going to happen anytime soon.
Done. Update soon.
Thanks for chiming in, Torres. I guess it's about time to bite the bullet and try it out for myself. My regular stringer doesn't carry the stuff, so I'll order a couple of sets online. A guy I hit with occasionally also does a decent string job, so I can ask him to put it in for me. Btw, how would you compare BHBR with Tornado? I like that at low tensions, but if the BHBR can give me even more spin, I'm tempted to try that...
Performaxx Light Touch / ThunderStrings Storm 1.25
Performaxx Light Touch / ThunderStrings Storm 1.25
Stringing: This was about as middle of the road as it gets as far as stringing. Natural gut mains, and a medium stiff poly. Not buttery smooth like CoFocus or a Weisscannon offering, but not like Alien. In other words, just what you'd expect. No notching, knots were easy and it just looks nice. Strung 42/38.
Yup, but I mentioned it to him before I knew he'd already been trying it.
And I'm really looking forward to this play test and your future review of Classic Touch!
reverse this setup?
PV did you every try the reverse of this setup and how would you compare the performance of them. I don't recall you ever using the LT before but would you tell me how this setup would compare in performance to the Scorpion/Whispertouch ....and did you ever try it at this tension 41/41?
I will test this out tomorrow! I will say this, at this tension, the strings snap back so ridiculously easy that I'd bet that gut mains with these would have the same spin as poly mains.
Can't wait for the play test! (I've got a set of TS Strom Metal 1.20 coming, btw.)
Me either. Got some LT on order, some more WC Scorp on order and a new/used PD Plus that I can't wait to set up based on this new report
I was referencing the Storm Metal crosses test, since I don't like poly mains.
Not sure about this one. Need another hit to be sure. it's a very interesting feeling. There is not a lot of power, so you really can hit the ball as hard as you want and it won't go long. Strangely though, given the amount of RHS you can put on, the spin isn't chart topping. It seems to be more of a defensive setup than anything because you can't really take a given ball and just crush it into a corner for a winner. If you like retrieval, then this would work well for you I guess. I'm trying to think of a way to describe the feeling. It's not mushy, but it's not exactly soft. It just feels like a net. The dwell time is extraordinary, and without a doubt the longest I've ever felt, but in this case, it just doesn't seem like a big deal since you can't do much with the ball. I guess the best way to describe it is playing with PTR balls. Even if you smack the crap out of it and try to load it with action, while it won't go out, the shot really isn't impressive.
What happened to the "poly like spin" you were expecting?
Oh no, they finally made a string designed for pushers! Everyone keep this on the DL! :evil:
Nahhh. Pushers are fun to play. You have no pressure and you just have to get to net.
(it's way easier than playing blue chips)
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