Discussion in 'Strings' started by pvaudio, Nov 22, 2010.
It'd be nice to have your opinion on a non-L-TEC poly strung JET method.
Hahaha, I too was about to say that I am expecting that!
So typical of an engineer to discount reincarnation! Several million people out there would disagree. He transmitted power, about 20kw, with no wires, and lit up a bank of lights, with an insulated wooden tower, using the ground, and the air as conductors. (No one has done it since.) Tried a larger version and could not get it to final stage. Died bankrupt. Failed on hydrogen by a few days, and blew up a plant trying. GAve up his contract with Westinghouse for nothing. Made Edision look like a stupid engineer, and a smart businessman. DAbbled in propeller blades. Marconi used 17 of his patents for the radio and stole that from him too. Advocated remote controlled planes/ships for military. Etc. Liked to create million volt light shows with his coils. LIved on the edge and died on it penniless, when he could have insisted on his Kw deal, but the banks would go along with it. Invented the power grid, ac, motors, three phase, generators, etc. Military has worked on resonance weapons based on his work. How would you like to get hit with a ten million volt beam that oscillated until your resonant frequency was found and you vibrated/burned your molecules to death? They are still trying to couple lasers with oscillators. http://news.yahoo.com/us-military-unveils-non-lethal-heat-ray-weapon-032512781.html
As a fellow Engineer, what I know about Tesla is that "Love will find a way" is a killer 80s tune.
In my view, there's nothing that leaves a bad a taste in the mouth as L-Tec's ridiculous, OTT performance claims and shameful business practices. I won't be holding my breath waiting for the '40+ hour' poly playability claims to be disproved.
I don't think I've ever disliked a company as much as L-Tec.
Here is the one of the latest things they've come up with re: frequency weapons: 95 gig/hz.: http://news.yahoo.com/us-military-unveils-non-lethal-heat-ray-weapon-032512781.html String is all about vibration, as the impact occurs in 4/1000th/sec, or about 80 impacts in the time it takes you to blink your eyes.
Good edit Torres, but I liked the original post too.
The original was funnier, but I was worried I might get sued! :mrgreen:
This way, the impetus for any class action based on mispresentation and false advertising is with me or anyone else who's unhappy with their claims :grin: (not that I'd buy any of their strings anyway on a point of principle)
I can think of a few. How about: the guys who send you fake string? Suggestion has always been a part of ads. They don't say, "It's the best string.", they say, "It will increase your power, your touch, and the tension maintenance will make alu look sick."
I believe it's the company + the distributer making those claims, so keep both in mind, I guess. But let's not let PV's thread turn into another rant thread. I think there are some good ones of those that can be revived, if needed.
I've never bought any fake string. Ever!
Haha, better to be safe than sorry I guess.
Hopefully will get in an hour+ of just ball machine to get the BH grooved. Will use the new setup, but I do have Iontec still strung up. The L-Tec did leave a rather sour taste in my mouth because it was just so...ordinary.
You must've hit just the right frequency for your frame.
I'm a bass player and I can make all kinds of things vibrate in sympathy! 8)
i assume nevertheless that you are a little bit influenced by the fact that the string obviously didn't live up to the hype, but taking your word for granted, that it reminded you of the polyfibre black venom, i conclude that it is not sooo bad after all - in terms of playing characteristics.
i'm not talking the hype of the producer/distributor nor am i talking price, as it seems obvious that if it plays just like black venom for double the price, there is a value problem related to it.
No,youhave it exactly right. Upon further consideration, it feels like MSV CoFocus. Not a bad string, but CoFocus is inexpensive. It's a good value poly. These L-Tec strings, at 3X the price, feel the same. So yes again, if this was 100% blind, I would say it would be a good value poly if it were in the 7-9 dollar range. All around performance. Too bad the stringbed costs as much as my go-to natural gut.
Since you mentioned your go-to natural gut, any idea if they are actually moving from the Bay or do they just have that in some of the product descriptions for an unknown reason? I was hoping to stock up on some gut if they still offer some discounts.
I've been playing around with the Jay-cee/Jet method in my thread. The theory is sound but frankly, I've been popping poly in under 5 hours stringing @ with their "method" and I'm starting to think... Why bother?
I'm sorry to hear the L-Tec was a bust for you but there can be only be two real conclusions made here; you must not be a good enough player to play with it and a horrendous, terrible, evil, stringer. :twisted:
Again, and as always, thanks for the valuable info.
alidisperanza, so you're experiencing less durability with JayCee/JET method, or you pop polys in so little time that it's not worth it to mess with an involved method?
Yeah ADI, that's why in the email I asked how long you were getting out of a poly before breakage. When you said a handful of hours, it begs the question: what the heck is the point?
Please try Polystar strike, pvaudio.
Well, that's the thing that I find strange. previously, I was stringing @ 56/58 Poly/ OGSM. For example; one of the last beds that I played consistently was Tour Bite/ OGSM natural 17 and it lasted me quite a while(13+ hours) in my LM Rad MPs. I understand that the string patterns are different but jeez-- that's a big difference. Once I started playing the tours and now the YT pro, I tested with low tension in Jet/Jaycee. It forced me to rely on a much more spin based stroke and I've reached a new high for spin production. Needless to say, it's definitely contributing to my string breakage.
The only reason I suggest PV try it is because he's already accustomed to low-er tensioned poly. His stroke style won't change and can give a much more reliable analysis of the differences. Once I settle on buying a new reel, I'll definitely try out stringing pure and JC side by side
If others are getting sub 5 hours of play time on a frame-- I don't really see a point to stringing any different at all since you're getting a pop before the string becomes dead-dead.
Is it vastly different than Energy and/or Turbo? I own reels of both since some customers use them as go-to, and I've tried both. Loads of power, loads of comfort, lots of spin at first for the latter, but terrible tension stability. Also makes your hands feel like you were just stringing with sea bass.
Hahaha I knew it! I cut out the 2 ltec setups I strung up after about 4 hours. I thought it was pretty good stuff, but at the aforementioned hour mark I started noticing a drop off. I didn't jump to conclusions because Im not the most experienced stringer and player. However, when someone made that reference to LTec's ad campaign being better than GM, I respectfully disagree. Ive been following this brand before most, with interest, and my image of the brand today is not positive, and I don't need to state why, it's been said plenty. LTec is an example of how NOT to hype and advertise a product. I just feel bad that they sold all their Star 5s and theyre working double time on those stringways. Good guys, but I'm throwing in Tour Bite mains and $1.50 Isospeed Baseline Crosses with my regular electronic CP, in 20 mins, on medium pull speed, and quite liking it. And I am L-tec's target market. Maybe I'm just too stupid to understand the brilliance.
Thanks for another great review PV, and hopefully you get around to the idea we threw around ( full poly bed, inexpensive cross string). I think the audience will like it.
Funny side note, you sent me like 7 sets about a year ago and I can name every one off the top of my head sitting in an airport( mcs, rip, mb, psbgear,b5e, timo, ogsm). I sent you 2 sets of LTec 2 weeks ago and can't recall the name of either set.
Thanks for sending that his way so we can all read the reviews.
:lol: Perhaps that sums it up. Not even as memorable as Gosen OGSM or Head Rip Control.
Heh that was me, and it was in 100% jest. I said in the main L-Tec thread that they have the worst advertising department in the world. It's based on over the top claims, personal accounts from ONE person, being based on Illuminati based stringing techniques and most importantly, a "scientific" method of string selection. That sounds jolly good, which if it were:
See, in this case, they already have nothing to prove, so they can advertise with ridiculous claims and actually get people to bite. That's how Nissan sold the GTR (albeit the fact that it was cheap was its best point, but we'll gloss over that). Ridiculous over the top technological claims, mad scientist precision and posted track times of Italian super cars costing 4x the price. And it worked, because...the car performs as stated and is actually now known to have been underrated on purpose by Nissan. L-Tec tried the same...without any of the substance. And it didn't work here.
Let me sum it up like this: if this doesn't turn out to be the next best thing since...*put in your own here* after the next time I hit with it, I'm cutting it out.
For the record, here will be the next playtests in order:
1. Isospeed Baseline Spin / Gosen OGSM 17 (Ultimate budget hybrid)
2. Luxilon Adrenaline Rough / Yonex 850 (per request by rdis10093, whom I string this for in real life and he gave me some to try)
3. Full Gosen Polylon OR Polylon / OGSM 17
Hmm, interesting lineup for the next few tests.
Yep, jdunnie sent me the Isospeed and Polylon to test out. I tend to test more "premium" strings, so it makes sense to test something for the most budget conscious.
Good thinking. And also for a new stringer (me) who doesn't want to ruin the good stuff.
i warn you! for the first three hours with the baseline spin you will keep asking yourself if all this string craze you (we all as a matter of fact) are in makes any sense.
the string has a somewhat higher stabilization loss, so you might want to go half a pound or a pound higher than usual.
as far as i'm told it is the black-only version of sonic pro, which is produced at isospeed as well, but has a larger variety of colours available (and a big four "corrected" price).
Well, didn't get to work on the backhand or serve today and finish the L-Tec review. I have so much stuff to study for, that I just have this insatiable itch to play tennis. When I can't scratch it, it makes me.....:evil: :lol:
Ugh. I know. I have AP stuff I have to study for which makes tennis a more and more attractive option.
I have nothing to do right now. Work is over for the day kids!
well, doing close to nothing can be interesting as long as it is different than the day before.
It is a beautiful thing in moderation.
What APs are you taking?
a chinese proverb says that "living a day of undisturbed leisure means being a day longer immortal".
And there's another one that says that if I don't pass this midterm that's 40% of my grade, my ass is fried
So study 40% of your free time and play tennis with the other 60%. :-D
PV or U&C,
Ever seen the movie Top Secret? It is a great comedy with Val Kilmer before he ate a car and who knows what else. There is a scene where he is getting tortured in East Germany and he flashes back to a bad dream in school where he showed up a day late for all his finals. Then they flash back to the prison and he smiles as he is being whipped and says "Thank God I'm not back in school."
Hahaha, yeah that was a great scene. It'll cheer them up.
Flawless post :lol:
Not sure about yours, Mike. :neutral:
Not a Val fan? Or does it just accentuate the pain of studying?
The latter :evil:
Study groups and good black coffee and pastries usually help.
Really? I didn't have that impression at all. Baseline felt very differnt than Sonic pro to me (at least stringing)
Ahhh, I remember how that one went. Good luck
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