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^^ Comfort power is something You can get on Your own... comfort is not
Couldn't agree more
^^ Comfort power is something You can get on Your own... comfort is not
1x Genesis SpinX / Mantis Comfort Synthetic
2x WeissCANNON B5E / WhisperTouch
2x WeissCANNON Scorpion / Whispertouch
I didn't even bother playing with anything but going between the B5E and the Scorpion frames. They're just that good, so you'll have to wait for further tests once I get over how good both of these setups feel.
Scorpion is still a softer string yes. The thing about B5E is that it doesn't feel like a poly. For example, Kirschbaum PLII feels like lemon meringue while Pro Supex Blue Gear feels like The Rack. They both still feel like polyester strings when hitting with them though. Scorpion feels like a polyester string, so if you want a poly which is very soft and lively, then that's the string to choose. B5E does NOT feel like a poly. It feels like a multifilament. Not a soft multifilament, but a thick gauge high-end multi...that sort of stiffness; it's rather hard to describe. But yes you're right: scorpion is still the softer of the two.Thanks for the comments on the B5E. I have some coming in the mail. So Scorpion is still softer than B5E? Is it noticeably softer or just by a fraction?
Does the B5E give you more spin than Scorpion? How about power difference between the two?
So is this accurate?
If you want a softer feel, with less spin, go with Scorpion.
If you want a crisper feel, with more spin, go with B5E?
It sounds like B5E is a superior string in almost every way, so why would anyone pick Scorpion over it?
Also....
I have never strung guy before and do you do anything "different" when stringing Whisper Touch, as opposed to a multi?
I have a lot of NRG2 and Maxim Touch left. Do you think I will get similar results with Scorpion or B5E in the mains and
Maxim Touch or NRG2 in the crosses? (as opposed to gut)? thanks for a great thread!
Scorpion is still a softer string yes. The thing about B5E is that it doesn't feel like a poly. For example, Kirschbaum PLII feels like lemon meringue while Pro Supex Blue Gear feels like The Rack. They both still feel like polyester strings when hitting with them though. Scorpion feels like a polyester string, so if you want a poly which is very soft and lively, then that's the string to choose. B5E does NOT feel like a poly. It feels like a multifilament. Not a soft multifilament, but a thick gauge high-end multi...that sort of stiffness; it's rather hard to describe. But yes you're right: scorpion is still the softer of the two.
However, on your next point. B5E does give you more spin, but it's not super shaped like some strings are these days. That's why my "if" was in capitals (not a typo ). You need to be able to generate your own spin; this isn't the spin monster that WC says it is. It generates spin on the level of SpinX or Big Ace Micro. Scorpion generates slightly less spin, but still a very large amount. The power difference again is minute. Scorpion is the more powerful of the pair, clearly. However, Scorp lets you control that power better than B5E does. You rely more on the spin with the B5E than you do with the white stuff. If you were to hit the same shot, let's say an inside-in, DTL forehand winner, you'd make both shots and they would land in the same spot. The B5E shot would have more arc to it. That's because as I said in my Scorp review, coupled with the WhisperTouch, you can modulate exactly how much power you want going into every ball. That's harder with the B5E, but since it has more spin, it's a moot point.
So no, your conclusion is not correct. They are two different offerings for two different players. Scorpion is definitely for the player who must have absolute touch and power. B5E is for the player who must have spin and control. That's why I rated them both 9.5/10. You can play just as well with either, it just depends on what you're doing:
First Serves: Scorpion
Second Serves: B5E
Groundstrokes: B5E
Volleys: Scorpion
While you could try it, I would bet that to get the results I'm talking about, you need something as responsive as natural gut. Maxim Touch is definitely not going to do the trick as it has as much power as Lesotho. NRG2 has the power, but it doesn't have the amount of feel that you get. Honestly, WhisperTouch, Klip, VS, Tonic, any natural gut would work. I choose the PerforMAXX because it's only ~20 bucks a set and plays better than all of them aside from VS which is in a class of its own.
I don't really know, nor do I really want to use any SNGPS if I don't have to. I only have a few REAL sets (I got a packet of cheapo string in SNGPS packaging ) of it left, so I'm planning on saving that for my customers instead. However, I am open to other ideas.PVa,
What would you think of a hybrid with WeissCannon Black5Edge mains and LaserFibre SuperNatural Gut Pro Stock 17g crosses?
Honestly, it is too difficult to explain and you'd just have to try it. It's the most unique feeling string I"ve ever used, and if you've seen my string list which I posted a few pages ago, I've tried quite a few . Since I'm not affiliated with any company and just love tennis and stringing, I have no qualms about posting this from Guts and Glory Tennis. It's their description:PV thanks for that great explanation. There is only one thing that I don't quite understand. You say Scorpion is softer and yet B5E feels like a multi?
I don't think even the harshest, stiffest multi comes anywhere near the softest poly. So if B5E feels like a multi...it couldn't possibly not be softer than Scorpion. Either way, lets just say that they are both soft!
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Sorry. It just sounded like WC B5E was a great spin, soft poly mains and, based on previous reviews, that LF SNGPS was an excellent cross.I don't really know, nor do I really want to use any SNGPS if I don't have to. I only have a few REAL sets (I got a packet of cheapo string in SNGPS packaging ) of it left, so I'm planning on saving that for my customers instead. However, I am open to other ideas.
Ah indeed, indeed. The reason why SNGPS is such a great cross is because it feels like natural gut which is obviously the best cross string that you can get. Since it's essentially cheaper to use the natty that I have (considering I might buy 5 sets of SNGPS, not get any, or get 2 and 3 fakes), I figure I'll just use WhisperTouch. When I run out of WhisperTouch, I have the Touch 17 (1.25 vs. 1.20) to fall back on. I'm working with the seller/manufacturer to get the uncoated version of both strings to see how it changes the playability and durability. I'm in love with this gut; it really is incredible value for playing second only to VS.Sorry. It just sounded like WC BE5 was a great spin, soft poly mains, and based on previous reviews that LF SNGPS was an excellent cross.
They are two different offerings for two different players. Scorpion is definitely for the player who must have absolute touch and power. B5E is for the player who must have spin and control. That's why I rated them both 9.5/10. You can play just as well with either, it just depends on what you're doing:
First Serves:[/B] Scorpion
Second Serves: B5E
Groundstrokes: B5E
Volleys: Scorpion
While you could try it, I would bet that to get the results I'm talking about, you need something as responsive as natural gut. Maxim Touch is definitely not going to do the trick as it has as much power as Lesotho. NRG2 has the power, but it doesn't have the amount of feel that you get. Honestly, WhisperTouch, Klip, VS, Tonic, any natural gut would work. I choose the PerforMAXX because it's only ~20 bucks a set and plays better than all of them aside from VS which is in a class of its own.
PVa,Ah indeed, indeed. The reason why SNGPS is such a great cross is because it feels like natural gut which is obviously the best cross string that you can get. Since it's essentially cheaper to use the natty that I have (considering I might buy 5 sets of SNGPS, not get any, or get 2 and 3 fakes), I figure I'll just use WhisperTouch. When I run out of WhisperTouch, I have the Touch 17 (1.25 vs. 1.20) to fall back on. I'm working with the seller/manufacturer to get the uncoated version of both strings to see how it changes the playability and durability. I'm in love with this gut; it really is incredible value for playing second only to VS.
I got mine on the Bay. The guy who's posted in this thread, stringingpro, is the seller on there.PVa,
Can you please let me know (w/o violating TW TT policies) more about WhisperTouch and Touch 17, and where to get them?
I am always on the look out for some good crosses.
Thanks,
hoodjem
Finally broke the last set of gut from the Scorp/WT setup from this pic:
It seems that with a big topspin stroke, you can get about 2 weeks of regular hitting out of it (3-4x a week). If you're a stringer, that's not bad at all since that correlates to about 10-12 hours for your poly which is around when you'd cut it out anyway. If you're using a textured poly, then you might want to up the gauge. We'll have to see how long the B5E setup lasts, then I'll have a better idea for you.
I still haven't tried my 6StarString Supercharged yet. These WeissCANNON strings are so good that I dunno if I want to start playtesting something else until they all break
For your first paragraph, no, not really. The coating on the strings is so good that they have next to no coil memory whatsoever. I apply a 15% prestretch via the machine, however. As far as prestretching to remove coil memory, then no. It's as easy to string as a syn gut, and that, is not an exaggeration. I've trying to get my hands on some of the uncoated version of the string to compare. I'm expecting harder stringing, but even better performance.PV...do u do anything special with the PM Gut strings? Do you add any wax? Prestretch? Wipe them down after playing? I have always wanted to try gut, but chickened out due to all the extra hassle that gut presents.
Also, most people think that gut in the crosses is a waste of gut, since 80% of the stringbed's feel supposidly comes from the mains. How do you respond to that? Wouldn't a hybrid of Scorpion or B5E mains w/ a syngut or multi cross feel almost the same?
The AG100 is IMO, the best frame Dunlop has ever made. The market just wasn't big enough for it which is a huge shame as it's more powerful than the 18x20 AG200, spinnier, lighter, more flexy and far more maneuverable. I now own 13 of them since I can't find anything that plays even remotely similar, so I won't bother switchingBad_Call liked that 6StarString. I'll be curious to hear your thoughts on it.
I hate seeing those rackets. A buddy of mine had to break down and buy them to replace his old models and I have not been able to beat him since he made the switch.
Have a good weekend.
Hey PV not sure if your planning on doing this but can you try Black5edge with Comfort Synthetic? Seems like it would be a good cost effective set up.
How does the black5edge compare to mosquito bite? Deciding between which one to get
Can't compare the two. The B5E is more of a baseliner's string while the Mosquito Bite is truly an all court string. Doesn't have as much spin, but is better at the net and is more powerful.How does the black5edge compare to mosquito bite? Deciding between which one to get
That's actually a very nice idea. Once I break my first set of WhisperTouch, I'll put in the MCS. I just wish they made it in a 1.20 instead of a 1.30. However, when tensioned, MCS thins out by a huge amount. The problem is that MCS has just about zero power, but amazing feel. Therefore, it'll be interesting to see how the B5E provides pop.Hey PV not sure if your planning on doing this but can you try Black5edge with Comfort Synthetic? Seems like it would be a good cost effective set up.
I will try this once I'm done with WhisperTouch and before I try the 1.25 Touch 17. I'm just hoping stringingpro gets some uncoated versions of his strings in so I can test those out. I'm really excited for thoseI second this, it sounds like MAYBE a good set up. Hope you try this one out and give us the results. Nice idea Icedorb.
Can't compare the two. The B5E is more of a baseliner's string while the Mosquito Bite is truly an all court string. Doesn't have as much spin, but is better at the net and is more powerful.
That's actually a very nice idea. Once I break my first set of WhisperTouch, I'll put in the MCS. I just wish they made it in a 1.20 instead of a 1.30. However, when tensioned, MCS thins out by a huge amount. The problem is that MCS has just about zero power, but amazing feel. Therefore, it'll be interesting to see how the B5E provides pop.
I will try this once I'm done with WhisperTouch and before I try the 1.25 Touch 17. I'm just hoping stringingpro gets some uncoated versions of his strings in so I can test those out. I'm really excited for those
I'd have to see it to believe it. You must be using the X-HT version of the gut as well. MCS is one of the lowest powered multis out there as it is.I have two blx 90's one strung with full performaxx gut 16g at 55 one with full MCS at 60, the mantis is more powerful, at least for the time being.
I'd have to see it to believe it. You must be using the X-HT version of the gut as well. MCS is one of the lowest powered multis out there as it is.
No, actually. Ask mikeler, he's the resident expert on MCS. He's the one who turned me on to itWould you consider MCS to have more power than syn gut? ie. Gosen OG Sheep Micro?
I'd have to see it to believe it. You must be using the X-HT version of the gut as well. MCS is one of the lowest powered multis out there as it is.
No, actually. Ask mikeler, he's the resident expert on MCS. He's the one who turned me on to it
^^^ That play-test multi didn't have power. It was simply there so that the ball wouldn't go through the racquet face.
^^^ That play-test multi didn't have power. It was simply there so that the ball wouldn't go through the racquet face.
Hey mikeler would you say its extremely low powered? Im using Gosen OG Sheep as my cross for my hybriding but since I've started using shaped poly mains the lack of feel was too great so I though MCS would fit. Or can you recommend another multi that has good feel and is not over about 10 bucks.