Discussion in 'Strings' started by pvaudio, Nov 22, 2010.
Holy tension loss Batman!
It pings so low it sounds like an empty oil drum.
I just counted: I have 19 3/4 Dunlop frames. The 3/4 is because one is cracked (1/2) and one is smashed (1/4) after a 3 set loss in a tourney when I was 14 :lol:
Also getting better at efficiency: even with the cap grommets, I broke the 17m mark without any burning and on the slowest pull speed.
Just curious, but what's your favorite set up of all the strings you've tried. It's probably in here somewhere but I didn't want to go through 160+ pages haha.
I saw your comments about WT/Co Focus. That'll probably be mine next set up after I burn through my string now. Hopefully I'll be able to get my hands on some WC soon too.
that is funny. I thought when I played with that yonex string that it had good tension, it played the same on the 3rd day the same as on the first day. the only problem with it for me was that the string was not that great, there are way better polys for me.
I hit with Justin for an hour on Saturday, and it's also terribly notched right in my hitting zone.
I hate poly. I love poly. when its fresh it is so good, but when it is way dead I wish I just had a full bed of syn gut. the strings just feel like the have so little power. I also hate cycling racquets. normally when one set pops, the other is racquet is close, but tonight the second stick went with in like 5 points. I had to leave club like 30 min early because I had nothing left.
That sucks bro, let me know if you need anything done.
On another note, Scorpion/Nvy is just....it. The response you get off the stringbed is simply astounding, the control is fantastic as you'd expect, and the spin is just enough. Most importantly, there is zero break-in time. When you go for it, it makes that nice gunshot sound. Not the cannon of Tour Bite, but that ultra solid crack.
I am going to chronicle the longevity from start to finish with it too. As of now, total hitting hours: 1 (hour and a half practice, time playing is divided between 1-2 partners, so I'll say an hour) hr on one stick, 15min on the other.
These are in your Prestige Pros?
Yessir! 47/52lbs as usual.
will do after break.
what gauge Babolat N.VY are you using with the scorp????
want to try your Scorp/N.VY setup in my blade 98/2012 PD and any tension suggestions would be great.
I definitely agree about the love for fresh poly and how bad it is when they go dead.
Would you consider this is a good setup for a stiff racket like the Aeropro Drive? (New Aeropro supposedly less stiff feeling though.)
I am using the 16G. Either way, I am not the man to ask regarding stiff racquets like the Pure Drive (goes for you too Boricua, sorry ), but I prefer high 40s for my poly and within 5lbs for my (syn) guts and multis.
Also, gentlemen, keep in mind that Scorpion is my all-time fave, whereas others don't find it particularly amazing. To be fair though, I have turned quite a few people on to it as their go-to string.
no worries on tensions and will just play about with them both in the mid to high 40,s
from what youve described about scorp/n.vy setup it sounds right up my street,
will give it a bash when the n.vy arrives
does it play well in a full bed???
and would you say its high or low powered????
It plays great in full. They say it's high powered, but honestly it's medium to me. For comparison, Silverstring is low powered and Turbotwist is high powered. Scorpion has a power level similar to Pro Hurricane which is probably why I love Pro Hurricane 18 so much.
for some reason i like poly in a full bed as ive put syngut in the crosses before and they have moved all over the place which rather annoys me lol
ive just got to make my mind up on which stick gets the scorp!!!!
my main stick is the PD but im just trying the blade 98 out at the moment as i now just play doubles (getting old plus patella tendonitis trouble in both knee,s) as i want more control rather than that boom boom power lol
pv if you want to try a different poly, I suggest u try the mamba discho black spin. I think u may have tried it previously, but in the prestige pro this string is just so great at like 45-48lbs. It is initially a tad stiff, however it really softens up quite nicely, and allows fro massive kick and spin and serving with this stick and string is a dream.
Did you ever get around to trying a kevlar/poly hybrid?
I'd be curious to hear a review from someone who tries so many strings.
kevlar/poly has been my go-to combo for the last few years, and every time I stray and try full poly or poly/syn or syn/poly, I wish I hadn't.
At the right tension, nothing compares to kevlar/poly for bite, control, and even feel. Power is a little lower than full poly, but if the tension is chosen properly (not too firm but also not too springy), I don't find it to be an issue. There is of course a break-in period because of the kevlar.
A bit off-topic, but in the Dunlop 4D200T thread in the rackets section I read you dumped the 200 Tour and went over to Head. I posted a question there, but I suppose you won't be looking at that thread anymore.
In the past I've seen vids of you hitting, and you seemed strong and fit enough to wield the Tour without restrictions. Could I ask you what it was about the Tour that made you look elsewhere? Have you found what you were looking for, and are you missing anything of the Tour now that you've made the switch?
I'm a happy 200 Tour user myself for the past 3 years, and it has helped me to develop my game to a new level. I can't help wondering, however, whether my current game could benefit from a slightly lighter, more forgiving package.
I'm very interested in your experiences because our games seem to be fairly similar in style.
pv - am trying Scorpion crossed with N.Vy tomorrow. Have never played WCSS ever, so looking forward to that.
Garry - I'm using Scorpion w/N.Vy @ 50/54 lbs in my PD. Will let you know how I get on.
Boricua - You know, I'm not so sure I'm trying the above set up in the wrong frame. By which I refer to the fact that I suspect Scorpion could quite possibly be a better fit in the APD than in a PD. Hmm, we'll see.
Scorpion is new to me but N.Vy has been my main cross string for quite a while now. I haven't experienced the issue of N.Vy moving around previously.
Indeed, the weight of the stick never was an issue for me. I first played a Dunlop 200G in 7th grade, so I'm quite used to their heft. The issue was that I was stuggling to control how the racquet head came through the ball. Since the swing weight was so high, that makes it more tricky to time shots like mid-court to cross-court passing shots (say the opponent hits a short volley, going DTL over the high part of the net is quite risky). With the lighter swingweight and a bit more pop, I can impart more spin and less power. It's the flexibility over outright pace vs. spin that I was looking for. Lighter sticks don't give the power due to plow through, and heavier sticks leave the spin at the mercy of the racquet. That sweet spot to choose is what I wanted, and the Prestige Pro was bang on. It reminds me of a Dunlop 300 with the heft of the non-tour 200. As I said earlier in this thread, Dunlop does not make such a racquet, so I had to look elsewhere. The Prestige is that racquet.
I also would like your opnion on kevlar, as I just read 38 pages about it on a different thread last night. have you ever used it and is it stiffer than poly?
That could have been summarized to: Prestiges are beast. The end. I win.
Kevlar is 2-3x stiffer than poly, and in my personal opinion, there is a plainly obvious reason why it's pretty much obsolete since the advent of poly.
Adam, let me put it like this: of all of the players in club, one uses a Kevlar hybrid. I offered to let him try a poly string of my choosing for free just so that he could see the difference. He claimed Kevlar produces the most spin by far, so he took my offer. He's been playing full Tourna Big Hitter Silver Rough since August now.
have used poly/syngut hybrids before in my PD and the string movement was terrible.
N.Vy sounds like its worth a try and a hybrid with scorpion is on the cards.
haha its all that jolly roger guy. I had never even heard of it until I read his thread. at first I thought it was a string name like 4g or something, not a type of string. you know its got to be tough on the arm though if they make vest out of it. I still kind of want to try it though.
There is a reason why you haven't tried it, it's pretty much useless in the modern game since the advent of poly. The only people who really benefit from it are those who break poly like mad. It seriously is simply meant to be a string which does not break and makes contact with the ball. It has no feel (nor is it intended to) and the lowest amount of power of any string type. Seriously, knowing how you hit, don't bother wasting your money.
Yes, yes you did say this
I should also state at this point I am NOT personally biased against Kevlar string. It's just that I seriously believe that it no longer is relevant unless you hit such absurdly flat strokes that you notch poly to death within hours. If you do that, not even Kevlar will save you.
right now I have all of these in my room and not one is strung.
6 rdis 93
2 rqis tours
2 vcore 95 D
when I get back from break though, I was mostly interested in mosquito, twisted razer, and pro plasma. If you had to pick one of those three which one and more importantly do you still have all of those?
I really think that there is a lot more to kevlar than just durability. It has unmatched consistent control and very good spin which works very well for top spin players, not just flat hitters.
While I also try to discourage Kevlar use, there are some that it seems to fit.
I always keep at least one set of Crossfire 18 in stock.
Is Ashway arguably the "best" Kevlar you can buy? While it is stiff, it seems by the numbers to be a lot softer than Problend. Speaking of I have a set laying around, I might string it up to see what the hype is about... :razz:
One of the things I like about Ashaway is that they make everything 'in-house'.
Their main business appears to be the manufacturing of industrial window sash cord.
Great use for braided Kevlar, btw. Incredible tensile strength and little or no elongation.
I have many colors of Mosquito Bite, a few sets of Twisted Razor and a reel of Poly Plasma and Plasma HEXtreme, and sets of Plasma Pure (the non-orange).
Also, I think the advantages of a stiffer stringbed are underappreciated. For example:
1. Since the stringbed dents less, rebound angle is lower and less dependent on the spin rate of the incoming ball.
2. More importantly, since the stringbed deflects less, a heavy incoming ball has a shorter moment arm to apply torque to the racquet at impact. So the racquet is more torsionally stable against a heavy ball. This greatly increases directional accuracy, especially on volleys against topspin or underspin passes and blocked returns.
Kevlar may not be for everyone, but it works best for me. Of course, the fact that I use a much heavier racquet than most players means shock to the arm is a non-issue. I do thank pvaudio for helping me choose my current poly cross.
You have made a huge amount of inference based on something that has never proven to be true. In fact, your reasoning is exactly opposite. The fact that there is less deflection means that the incoming ball's energy goes elsewhere. Compared to natural gut which will absorb an enormous amount of energy and return it, the stiffness in this case should do exactly opposite what you're saying. Think about it in extremes: a stringbed of a piece of wood vs. a stringbed made of rubber bands. Which will be more torsionally stable when hit with a huge ball?
Actually, your example helps make it easier to make my point.
A wooden paddle is much more torsionally stable than a stringbed made from rubber bands.
Consider what happens when a heavy ball with lots of topspin and pace hits the center of a rubber band stringbed:
The stringbed will deflect several inches. And because the ball has high rpm, it will not only deflect the stringbed in the normal direction, but the downward moving leading surface of the ball will grip the stringbed with friction and pull the center of the stringbed downward. The downward force vector acting on the stringbed is not within the plane of the stringbed -- rather, it is shifted several inches out of plane by the big deflection. The torque at a given time is the cross product of the downward force vector and the deflection - that is, the deflection = the moment arm. The bigger the deflection, the more torque acting on the stringbed to twist the frame.
In contrast, a wooden paddle has negligible deflection, so the moment arm is negligible, and the torque is negligible. Thus the wooden paddle is not twisted at all by a heavy ball, and makes for very accurate (albeit low-powered) volleying.
And your point about the ball's energy going elsewhere: it goes into ball flattening of course. Ball flattening means reduced power. But ball flattening also contributes significantly to spin generation, because the ball's rotational moment of inertia causes the ball's surface to move faster than the stringbed as the ball decompresses and its radius (i.e., distance from the stringbed to the ball's center) increases with a phenomenon know as "overspinning." I'm not making this up - it's been well-documented in lab tests.
That's very interesting, because you describe a very similar situation to what got me thinking about trying out another racket myself. With the 200 Tour I can hit a pretty heavy ball for my level, and thus get a lot of mid-court balls back. Living in Europe, I play mostly on clay and hence I need to play a quality approach shot or angled winner on those short balls if I don't want to find myself exposed to passing shots and lobs. With the Tour I tend to hit a lot of those shots just long or clipping the tape, thus losing points that were mine for the taking. This can get pretty frustrating at times, especially when my opponent cottons on to it... I've been working with my coach on reducing my backswing and adding a bit more zip to my swing and thus topspin to my shots on those mid-court balls, and although that works well in practice, I'm still vulnerable in matches.
So I've also been thinking to try out something with a little less swing weight to see if that helps me get some easier tipspeed and a little more zip on those shots. At the same time, I really enjoy the heft of my Tours from the back court and on serve, as well as on volleys, so I'm loathe to loose that with a lighter swinging racket. By the sound of it, you've found a happy compromise in the Prestige Pro, and indeed I read some glowing TW reviews on it. Do you never miss the plow through of your Tours? I mean, you've gone down in swing weight by some 25+ points...
Trust me, the Pro has PLENTY of plow. I mean the Tour is just an extreme, I don't know of a racquet with a higher swingweight. Even Fed's stick is ~20-30pts lower.
Thanks, I guess the Pro should go on my (to) hit list then! I'm aware that the 200 Tour is fairly extreme in terms of swing weight, which got me thinking in the first place. I guess I'm reaching the point where I can't hold off on demoing anymore...
Funny you mention the European clay courts. I always heard people at my club say how much slower they are than Har-Tru. You don't really understand it until you play a match on the red stuff. Every approach shot just sits up and it seems like your opponent has all day to setup for a passing shot.
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