Discussion in 'Strings' started by pvaudio, Nov 22, 2010.
^^^ Check page #1
Sounds good. I already grabbed a set of MB, B5E and Scorpion at the same time, to try. The softer/better touch sounds like I may in fact like MB, and anyhoo already strung up some PTG/MB yesterday, to compare next to PTG/BHB. I like soft feel, so Energy is next, then Scorp and B5E. Will play them out for the duration, hopefully settle on something, and (hopefully) focus back on mechanics and fitness, instead of string madness anymore.
JT, I think we have very similar tastes in strings, I seem to be interested in all the strings you are haha. I just got through my 2nd session with B5E and I must say that it's not as great as I expected. I think the main problem is stringing it too high though so I can't judge too well. I recommend dropping a few pounds when stringing up B5E. I did a 54 M / 52 C job on my PC600 and the power level is way too low even after 4 days. The feel isn't as good as MB or Scorpion, sort of pingy but crisp. Spin was just a LITTLE bit better than Scorpion and MB. Didn't perform as well for me on all-court play which is my game compared to Scorpion and MB either. If I can't adapt to B5E within the next 5 days, Im gonna cut it out. I ordered a set of Unique BHBR and will probably string it up after!
Keep us posted. I'm interested in these combinations. I play an all court game so your results will be interesting to see.
GS, did you do a full job of it? Try it with a powerful cross. Both Scorp and B5E are low powered strings on their own.
Ya, I own a reel of Scorpion and the power is much more playable than B5E though. I forgot to mention that I think B5E would perform much better with a syn gut / multi cross which would soften up the bed and give that bit of power needed to compensate for B5E. mctennis, I did a full job (I almost always do) and will not be giving B5E another try even though the tension was too high for me on this job. It's a good string but much more groundstroke-based string rather all-court like Scorpion and MB. I'm deciding on what reel to buy next and gonna test out three strings, 2 retesting because they were so close (MB and Scorp). My second set of MB came in today along with Unique BHBR which is sort of a wildcard for me but the reviews were superb. I'll let you know how it goes
Thanks for the update. If you use the BHBR let us know how that goes. I'm leaning towards trying a set of that myself.
Scorpion and MB are also a "must try" for me. I'm just trying to decide what set up to use gut mains and those as crosses or the three strings here and gut crosses. I've been using gut mains for years with my hybrid set ups. I hate to be disappointed if I don't use gut mains but the reviews make me wanting to try them as mains.
I feel that B5E would be on par with Scorpion and MB with gut in the mains so it would be much closer competition. Looks like you gotta try all three
LOL, yep, looks like I do.
B5E works better at lower tension. it's a bit lower in power than Scorpion. got it strung at 47/50 with Speed 16 crosses in the MG PP. hits great (groundstrokes, serves, volleys) at that tension.
How much lower do you string B5E compared to other polys
as a reference, string BAM hybrid at 51/54. depends on the poly and the cross string (tension maintenance, etc).
After the 3rd outing with WC Scorpion/ X-One, it hit well. I don't like X-ONe 17g as it frays and loses tension too quickly (6 sets), but the 16g X-One works well for me. Just my inputs.
Waiting for some Genesis Gut like a lot of other folks.
My opinion about B5E might change as I go on playtesting, those were just my initial thoughts
I just strung up and played with B5E/Gosen at 54/57 and I found it to be very powerful. I know now to never string poly below 56 for myself. Played very nicely though and at 99 bucks I will consider the reel. Still have to try BHBR and Typhoon before I make my final decision
Finally!! New playtests
PerforMAXX WhisperTouch Pro / WeissCANNON Scorpion 1.22
Stringing: Since this is a natural gut string, you have to take extra care when stringing. However, stringing gut in the mains, while seemingly similar, is one of the most tedious things to string for the first four mains. This was no exception. Although I didn't scuff the string nor leave clamp marks, I did string at the second lowest speed on the machine and at 10% prestretch. Tying knots was doable, but more difficult than the coated version. You can easily feel the friction. The Scorpion wasn't bad to string in the crosses, but again, natural gut mains make you take a lot more time to make sure you don't damage it. Overall, it took me about 35 minutes a stick which is actually about 15 minutes more than what it takes for me to string my own racquets. Strung 57/55.
Serving: I only went out today to serve. Honestly, I didn't notice anything significant above and beyond the reverse combination. It didn't feel particularly powerful, but I am working on a new motion. The stringbed actually does NOT feel as soft and responsive as it does with the Scorpion in the mains. I think that the softness of the gut creates a muted feeling. The serves that I did get in decently felt solid and there was a great sound as well. Wish I could say more, so I'll update once my new motion is down completely.
PerforMAXX WhisperTouch Pro / WeissCANNON Black5Edge
Stringing: Gut stringing was much like it was for the Scorpion, so I won't bother repeating that. Weaving B5E in crosses is more difficult as the string is stiffer and is textured, so you get a lot more friction when pulling string. Nonetheless, no friction burn at all much like with the Scorpion. Again took me 15 minutes more since I pulled the gut at such a slow speed and took a lot more time pulling my crosses through. Strung 57/55.
Serving: Interestingly, the B5E stringbed offered MORE power with gut mains than the Scorpion setup. How that happened, I don't know, but I actually preferred the feel of this to the Scorpion. My thoughts are that since the B5E is a very responsive poly, the pop of the gut just brings up the power level of the B5E to where I believe it always should be. For serving, I'd say this is the better option. Still to early to tell. No string damage on either frame after an hour of serves.
6star 10 char
Will string the 6star tomorrow, that's just a placeholder post.
Playing with both frames today, will have a final verdict once 5PM rolls around.
Thanks a lot. What would you recommend to bring up power level of B5E other than gut. Gosen is not doing the trick
The B5E looks almost smooth, or is it just me?
I would string it lower, or use a more powerful cross. X-1 would be my suggestion, but it is very unpredictable. If you want something a bit crisper than that, NRG2 strung in the high 50s should be nice too. If not that, then Mantis Power Synthetic should work or even Forten Sweet.
It is very smooth. I believe the edges are rounded instead of sharp as Black Code is so that the edges do not wear down. Plus, the string is polished and slick to lower friction. Overall, I don't think the profile is changing anything. I would be interested in seeing a perfectly round version of it, maybe in a 1.18mm diameter.
have you tried 49/52 yet? agreed that OGSM doesn't increase the pop.
PerforMAXX WhisperTouch Pro / WeissCANNON Scorpion 1.22
Sad end to this, the string broke prematurely. While I could blame it on stringer error since it broke at the grommet, I served with this frame yesterday with no problems at all. With that in mind, since the string has no real coating, I'd venture that this would not have been an issue if I'd used power pads. Not going to bother though, read below. The ball that broke it was a heavy 1HBH.
Groundstrokes: Disappointed. The stringbed plays as though it is strung too tightly, even though the opposite has gobs of power. There is spin, but I'm not too sure that it's more than the converse. You cannot create that sense of immediate pace that you can with the gut crosses instead, and that I love.
Volleys: Again, disappointed. I was expecting supernatural feel and didn't get it. There's nothing here to rave about, so I won't waste any more of your time. The gut in the crosses is just better.
Overall: Won't string this again. Gut mains are just too tedious for those first few to be of any real utility when I could use a synthetic instead. The crisp feeling of the Scorpion is also gone which is not surprising as it's performing the gut's job in the other way around. With the Scorpion in the mains, you get the feel of a super crisp, but soft poly string with great spin and GREAT touch and power. With poly in the crosses, it feels like you're attenuating the gut's benefits. I'm not a fan of that.
Im actually on vacation so cant string that up yet. I just have to deal with what I have for the time being . And I played a match with a good player today and lost. I just cant seem to get any driving forehand winners with it.
feel your frustration. with the adjusted lower tension you should be good to go. at least your on vacation.
Looks like I probably wont get to try it again at the lower tension anytime soon because not long after I get back my high school team starts up and Im just going to string up with RPM since Im comfortable with that.
What do you normally string your racquets at if you are going to 47/50 with this set up?
Ok after around two weeks of playtesting B5E, my thoughts have changed about it. It still is the very low powered string I stated it was in my last few posts but the tension has dropped a bit and now it plays very well. I finally get that plush feel that people were raving about, it really does feel like a multi. The touch still isn't as great as Scorp or Mb though, I couldn't really hit amazing dropshots with this one. Edges have worn out some too. Really good string, but my concerns are how long it keeps playability compared to other WC strings. Just ordered a set of Silverstring 1.20 as well, but won't test it any time soon.
Are you saying it took 2 weeks of playing for it to lose tension and play well. That would still give me some hope for whats in my racquet
I'm disappointed you didn't lower the tension of the poly when moving it from the mains to the crosses. The crosses are so much shorter that they need a lower tension to have a similar stiffness. It'd be interesting if you tried this setup again around 55M/48C and see how it plays.
Well WC strings do have a tendency to hold tension exceptionally well :-?
Funny how thats the characteristic Ive been looking for in a string and right now Im hoping it loses tension
A question to pvaudio or any other
Do you tension the touch 1.27 and 1.25 (if you used them) similar to VS 17? Thanks.
I string all gut at the same tension just to be able to compare apples-apples, so yes.
I strung B5E/6Star and played with it today. Will have pictures and a full review tomorrow.
For me B5E seems to have lost some tension after about 12 hrs of play and power is now adequate. I think lots of notching has happened though because after stringing the strings were moving a lot and now they dont at all. There also seems to be less spin
Thanks for your response.
PV or anyone,
I got some B5E, and want to put it in a hybrid with a soft string in the crosses. (I have some lingering TE issues.)
Can you recommend a good cross string that will work well (soften up the bed but good durability against the poly mains, also) with the B5E? Gut? Multi?
I'd love to hear some impressions/comparisons between B5E, BHBR and Typhoon. I've tried typhoon and have packages of B5E and BHBR to try.
I'm gonna try some Performaxx nat gut.
I've used B5E a lot and Typhoon for a few hours. They play similarly. Typhoon is slightly more powerful. It is also more difficult to string. Overall, the B5E is better. More spin and control and is softer. B5E is a great string.
string B5E low and you'll be good to go.
string the B5E low and you'll wonder why you bothered with the others.
bc....are u using it full job or in a hybrid? I am thinking of hybriding it with a nat gut mains.
using B5E in the mains with multi crosses.
Which multi as cross?
Separate names with a comma.