QF Nadal - Djokovic ... afternoon or evening...

Nadal - GOAT said:
How so?

One may argue that Alcaraz has got 2 back to back night matches and will surely get a day match next.
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Seems the opposite to me, I suppose it remains to be seen.

For reference DJokovic had the night match vs. Berrettini last year ahead of the night SF, so there was a prior statement of intent from RG.

Usually the night session feeds into the night session to make rest times more equal.
 
Kralingen said:
Seems the opposite to me, I suppose it remains to be seen.

For reference DJokovic had the night match vs. Berrettini last year ahead of the night SF, so there was a prior statement of intent from RG.

Usually the night session feeds into the night session to make rest times more equal.
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Ah ok that makes sense. Hopefully that is the case.

A day match between Novak and Rafa will be way more interesting than a night match. I am still not convinced it will benefit Rafa but atleast it will seem like a proper clay match.
 
Nadal - GOAT said:
Ah ok that makes sense. Hopefully that is the case.

A day match between Novak and Rafa will be way more interesting than a night match. I am still not convinced it will benefit Rafa but atleast it will seem like a proper clay match.
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I am American so that would put the match directly in the start of my workday which would be such a letdown...

But tennis wise I agree, the match should be a day match.
 
Kralingen said:
Huge statement from Roland Garros:

Djokovic playing at 2:15pm, Nadal at 4:15pm local time tomorrow.

Meanwhile, Alcaraz once again gets the night session.

We are now nearly guaranteed to see Djokodal play a day match.
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You never know with French open organisers
 
It does not matter when the QF is played. People hyping this match up will be in for a big letdown. It will be worse than Novak vs Bedene.
 
zuluzazu said:
It does not matter when the QF is played. People hyping this match up will be in for a big letdown. It will be worse than Novak vs Bedene.
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Why so? Looks like it will be quite competitive from the way the two are playing at the moment.
 
zuluzazu said:
I think you need to read some Strong Rules on how tennis matchups and RG conditions work otherwise you cant be TennisFan(3).
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He would spin it no matter when the match takes place. So it doesn't really matter.

Nobody who is looking at this a little more balanced should be saying this is a lock for x over y. This is probably the match up that every one is the least certain of the outcome of.
 
Hitman said:
He would spin it no matter when the match takes place. So it doesn't really matter.

Nobody who is looking at this a little more balanced should be saying this is a lock for x over y. This is probably the match up that every one is the least certain of the outcome of.
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Being serious I agree. I can see the QF being a hard fought match but ultimately I think Novak will clutch it out. Nadal plays quite tentative on important points like BPs, serving for sets and matches
 
StrongRule said:
Conditions matter much more when you are 36. Obviously 2008 Nadal would have won even in these conditions.
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While this is true, "old" Nadal proved himself even in those conditions, as shown but his remarcable 2020 match against Djokovic and that when temperatures were low, no less.No reason to undersell him :D
 
zuluzazu said:
Being serious I agree. I can see the QF being a hard fought match but ultimately I think Novak will clutch it out. Nadal plays quite tentative on important points like BPs, serving for sets and matches
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I guess you were pressed to pick a winner is one thing, but this isn't an easy pick for anyone. I can easily see this going both ways, Novak isn't a lock to beat Rafa here, as some make it out, but the reverse is also true.

As for Nadal, he may approach the Djokovic match a lot more aggressively than any other match, so being tentative might be thrown out the window and he will just go for it.
 
Hitman said:
I guess you were pressed to pick a winner is one thing, but this isn't an easy pick for anyone. I can easily see this going both ways, Novak isn't a lock to beat Rafa here, as some make it out, but the reverse is also true.

As for Nadal, he may approach the Djokovic match a lot more aggressively than any other match, so being tentative might be thrown out the window and he will just go for it.
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Yeah, we heard that from Djokovic fans in 2015 as well. Lol...
 
Hitman said:
I guess you were pressed to pick a winner is one thing, but this isn't an easy pick for anyone. I can easily see this going both ways, Novak isn't a lock to beat Rafa here, as some make it out, but the reverse is also true.

As for Nadal, he may approach the Djokovic match a lot more aggressively than any other match, so being tentative might be thrown out the window and he will just go for it.
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I hope you are right about the second paragraph and it clicks for Nadal. My heart even at the age of 22 cant take another Djokodal encounter lol.
 
StrongRule said:
Yeah, we heard that from Djokovic fans in 2015 as well. Lol...
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And why would that be surprising? Djokovic had never beaten Nadal at RG before then and had serious mental demons of own. He even let a 4-0 double break lead slip away in the first set, and barely closed it out 7-5 because he had mental issues. The game is played just as much between the ears as it is with the racket. Look at W 2019, Federer outplayed Djokovic, but lost it because of mental issues.
 
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Nadal - GOAT said:
Ball will be more lively and bouncy.

I have never been a fan of Night RG games where the conditions are more controlled. Love watching the match where the players have to cope with the sun, the bounce and maybe the wind too.
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Fair enough. Of course those conditions play right into Nadal's game, we know that.

The wind can be both day and night, so that wouldn't change.

And we have night clay sessions at Rome, and they have been producing some of the best tennis of the event. Not sure why it is would be so detrimental to not have them in Paris.
 
zuluzazu said:
I hope you are right about the second paragraph and it clicks for Nadal. My heart even at the age of 22 cant take another Djokodal encounter lol.
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Well, if you think about it, it makes sense for Nadal to play that style with Djokovic. Sitting back and trying to grind it out, is something he can do with other players, minus probably Alcaraz now also.
 
Kralingen said:
Huge statement from Roland Garros:

Djokovic playing at 2:15pm, Nadal at 4:15pm local time tomorrow.

Meanwhile, Alcaraz once again gets the night session.

We are now nearly guaranteed to see Djokodal play a day match.
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Both Nadal and Djokovic would have played 3/4 matches during the day by QF, while Alcaraz would be 2 day, 2 night matches.

This, combined with putting Djokodal in primetime spot over Zverev-Alcaraz should surely indicate the opposite.
 
Hitman said:
Fair enough. Of course those conditions play right into Nadal's game, we know that.

The wind can be both day and night, so that wouldn't change.

And we have night clay sessions at Rome, and they have been producing some of the best tennis of the event. Not sure why it is would be so detrimental to not have them in Paris.
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True.. night matches are great too. But would want to see one last day Nadal Djoko match at RG. I feel we may be towards the end of seeing these 2 play each other at majors and infact this may turnout to be their last meeting at a slam.

2013 SF is my favorite match of theirs at RG and hopefully we can get something similar.
 
Hitman said:
Fair enough. Of course those conditions play right into Nadal's game, we know that.

The wind can be both day and night, so that wouldn't change.

And we have night clay sessions at Rome, and they have been producing some of the best tennis of the event. Not sure why it is would be so detrimental to not have them in Paris.
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One of the reasons why this always was Djokovic's best clay tournament.
 
StrongRule said:
One of the reasons why this always was Djokovic's best clay tournament.
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One of the reasons yes, but it also one of the reasons why he was exhausted heading into finals, as he would often play the night session and then look dead on his feet in the day final.
 
InsideOut900 said:
Both Nadal and Djokovic would have played 3/4 matches during the day by QF, while Alcaraz would be 2 day, 2 night matches.

This, combined with putting Djokodal in primetime spot over Zverev-Alcaraz should surely indicate the opposite.
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lol I guess we have completely opposite takes. To me I think night session always feeds into night session in the later rounds but could be completely wrong.
 
Nadal - GOAT said:
True.. night matches are great too. But would want to see one last day Nadal Djoko match at RG. I feel we may be towards the end of seeing these 2 play each other at majors and infact this may turnout to be their last meeting at a slam.

2013 SF is my favorite match of theirs at RG and hopefully we can get something similar.
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Yeah, have to say, this is the best match they ever played at RG. I only put the Madrid 2009 semi final above this, for Djokodal encounters.
 
Kralingen said:
Huge statement from Roland Garros:

Djokovic playing at 2:15pm, Nadal at 4:15pm local time tomorrow.

Meanwhile, Alcaraz once again gets the night session.

We are now nearly guaranteed to see Djokodal play a day match.
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Doesn't it guarantees the other way that their match will be at night
 
maratha_warrior said:
You are doing mental gymnastics here .

Nadal went to media and publicly said " He doesn't like night matches because the ball remains low and there is humidity at night " these are Nadal's words.

Nadal went public .
To take away attention from Nadal's public demand ,you are simply blaming Novak haha . :-D ! Lol
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You speak about mental gymnastics and then make such a manipulation post.

You paint the picture as if Nadal in some sort of damage control mode called a press confrence and said "I'd like to make a public demand"

He was having post match press like every player on tour and a journo asked him "what do you think about night matches". The end.
 
Hitman said:
One of the reasons yes, but it also one of the reasons why he was exhausted heading into finals, as he would often play the night session and then look dead on his feet in the day final.
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In slams there is a day off, so this is not a problem. So RG turned into a tournament with perfect conditions for Djokovic and no disadvantages for him at all. That's what I've been saying for a while now.
 
StrongRule said:
In slams there is a day off, so this is not a problem. So RG turned into a tournament with perfect conditions for Djokovic and no disadvantages for him at all. That's what I've been saying for a while now.
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Slam matches are longer though by default, you play a minimum of three sets at least, which is the max you play in masters. Some RG matches can easily go over the four hour mark, as the semi last year did.
 
zuluzazu said:
Being serious I agree. I can see the QF being a hard fought match but ultimately I think Novak will clutch it out. Nadal plays quite tentative on important points like BPs, serving for sets and matches
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Nadal is the king of clay and RG dude. Novak needs another special performance to win. He has to replicate 2021 level but that will be hard to do.
 
Kralingen said:
Huge statement from Roland Garros:

Djokovic playing at 2:15pm, Nadal at 4:15pm local time tomorrow.

Meanwhile, Alcaraz once again gets the night session.

We are now nearly guaranteed to see Djokodal play a day match.
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Really? I would say it's rather the opposite: Because they are planned to have the night session next time, they won't have it this time (and Alcaraz has instead).

With night sessions organizers like to switch between players from round to round.

Edit: I just see @Hitman already made a thread about this.:

If Alcaraz is playing night session again, the potential Djokodal more than likely a night match

I highly doubt Alcaraz will have three night sessions in a row, if he was to play Zverev in the quarters. I think having both Nadal and Djokovic play their matches during the day for the 4th round, on opposite courts means, they are setting them up for a night session, but with neither playing...
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StrongRule said:
Why, because these are the conditions which favor Djokovic? Clearly that's what the organizers will do.
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No - because it's after work in the country they're playing in and most of the continent. I would of course like Djokovic to play the evening because it negates Nadal's strengths to an extent. But I completely understand if they put it on first because of the way the other R16s are scheduled in that section.
 
Sport said:
Please, note how Djokovic is the one stating publicily he has requested the opposite from Nadal, so it's not like he is not putting pressure either. He seems to be an expert though, remember when he pressured Wimbledon officials to play the second day of the WB SF indoor, despite it being sunny (which makes so little sense as playing outdoor when it is raining).
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He pressured nobody, he asked rules to be followed...
 
RF-18 said:
If you are king of clay it shouldn't matter at what time you play.
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He is king of the clay... if it's not rainy, and if it's warm, and if it's low altitude, and if it's low humidity, and off course if it's not indoors... :sneaky:
Otherwise, he is just a poor prince...
 
beard said:
He is king of the clay... if it's not rainy, and if it's warm, and if it's low altitude, and if it's low humidity, and off course if it's not indoors... :sneaky:
Otherwise, he is just a poor prince...
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Yea it's definitely very weird how this guy is the clay god but needs certain conditions in order to beat Djoko :unsure:
 
RF-18 said:
Yea it's definitely very weird how this guy is the clay god but needs certain conditions in order to beat Djoko :unsure:
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Or maybe organisators should balance this with making more fair for Novak and Rafa they played last year night. Also 2020 conditions was different we didn't watch them in usual RG conditions since 2015.
Novak fans just should be happy about this...

Does Novak need roof in 2018? since he is better than Nadal on grass? I didn't complain about that.
 
Everyone knows their preferences Just because Nadal is best on clay why you give him bit worse conditions in a row or to Novak a bit preferable conditions .Night matches came last year. More importantly Final in a day..

Nadal can beat Djokovic at night too (expecting a great match) Yes at this age with lack of match play and other issues his job will be more easier in usual conditions since Final and the most matches played on a day.

The unlucky part here is a draw. They are again same half, quarter Such an awfuf unbalanced draw.
 
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