Question for Fischer/Pacific - User and Experts

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Wilander

Rookie
Hello everyone!

Im getting new racquets :)

I have to choose between 3 brandnew Fischer M Pro No 1 (320g) and the Pacific X Force Pro BX2.
I know, they are from the same mold, so the difference should very small. Can you comment on the differences? Is the new Pacific the better racquet?

(Pricewise I would get the Fischer racquets MUCH cheaper!)

Thankful for any inputs!
 
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McLovin

McLovin

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That depends... is it the Black Granite version?
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or its predecessor:

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If the Black Granite, then they are pretty much identical. However, if its the pre-Black Granite, then the Fischer will be slightly more flexible and lower powered.

Personally I liked the 'Black Granite' version better, but that's just my preference in frame stiffness.

Let me qualify the above statement with this: I have not hit w/ the BX2 version of the X Force Pro. I used the 1st gen X Force Pro for 3 years, and the Pro No. 1 (non Black Granite) for about a year. Looking at the specs for the BX2, it is practically identical, so I'm assuming they play similar. I could be completely wrong on that.
 
McLovin

McLovin

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Ah, so its the M Speed Pro No 1:

So the same goes for this as what I said about the M Pro No 1: slightly more flexible and lower powered.

The M Speed Pro No. 1 & M Pro No. 1 both have more of the 'traditional' Fischer feel, while the 'Black Granite' and Pacific versions are slightly stiffer. Again, not that its a bad thing, but up until the Black Granite line (which was never released in the US), almost all Fischer player frames had a stiffness less than 60 RDC.
 
McLovin

McLovin

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Also note that many of the M Speed Pro No 1 (Red/Green/Black line) had the old Fischer grip pallet, which has minimal flare on the butt cap.

But be forewarned : They changed their grip shape in between the M Speed Pro No 1 & M Pro No 1 lines, and there are some M Speed frames floating around w/ the new grip shape (this was discussed in another thread somewhere here).

Just wanted you to know so you don't end up w/ different grips on your frames.
 
W

Wilander

Rookie
Thank you very much for clearing that up.
I think thats bad news for me as I have read that the "M Speed Pro No1" do not have "zero tolerance", while the M Pro No 1 do have this feature. If they dont have "zero tolerance", the speeds are knocked out of my considerations ;-)
 
C

Cobra Tennis

Professional
The Pro 1 is the same mold as the X Force Pro 98. BTW, Pacific just got the BX2 frames in. They should be making their way out to the big sites in a couple of weeks.

I should be getting the demos in at the end of the week.
 
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Hi I'm Ray

Professional
Wilander said:
Hello everyone!

Im getting new racquets :)

I have to choose between 3 brandnew Fischer M Pro No 1 (320g) and the Pacific X Force Pro BX2.
I know, they are from the same mold, so the difference should very small. Can you comment on the differences? Is the new Pacific the better racquet?

(Pricewise I would get the Fischer racquets MUCH cheaper!)

Thankful for any inputs!
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Other than the stuff already mentioned, the frames w/Basalt in the layup have a different feel, similar to that of some wilson BLX rackets. Personally I prefer the feel of the older Fischer frames w/out basalt.
 
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Wilander

Rookie
I wouldnt mind the different feel, as long as the new Pacific racquets flex like the old Fischer.
Right now im playing the Blade 98 16x19 and its too stiff for my liking. I have problems with the lenghts of my shots and my wrist is playing up.

If those speed were the same weight, swingweight and balance, I would buy them instantly. But having had a nightmare matching my 3 blades, which came in very differntly in weight and swingweight, I would love to have the comfort of the "zero tolerance".
 
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WhiteStripes

Semi-Pro
Wow, finally the BX2s are coming.

And regarding the green/red and green/yellow MPro 1s (which I had both of, and loved for a number of years), I thought both were called M Speed Pro 1, but at the end of the day, it's kind of silly point to fuss over. The sticks were identical. The only thing the green/yellow version introduced (aside from a new paintjob) were no tolerance (which honestly wasn't too big of a deal since Fischer's QC was excellent even before the introduction of no tolerance) and a tweak to the handle, which wasn't an issue for me at all. They should play identically.
 
W

Wilander

Rookie
Thank you all for your inputs!

I am still unsure which racquets to get.
The 3 M Speed Pro No 1 will cost me only 180 euro, while the 3 Pacific X Force Pro BX2 will cost me around 450 euro.
If I knew the Fischer will be matched closely, I would take them.
 
McLovin

McLovin

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loubapache

Professional
Wilander said:
The 3 M Speed Pro No 1 will cost me only 180 euro, while the 3 Pacific X Force Pro BX2 will cost me around 450 euro.
If I knew the Fischer will be matched closely, I would take them.
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I would take the three for 180 euro. These rackets are already pretty close in specs so I do not think you would have problem matching them. The No Tolerance only matches weight and balance, I believe. These two parameters are pretty easy to match.

I am still playing with the M Speed Pro No 1 (red/green). I have a pair of each: M Speed 105 SL; 98 SL, and 98 UL. They are all very sweat. I am using the 105 SL more lately because I play more doubles now.
 
Chotobaka

Chotobaka

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loubapache said:
I would take the three for 180 euro. These rackets are already pretty close in specs so I do not think you would have problem matching them. The No Tolerance only matches weight and balance, I believe. These two parameters are pretty easy to match.

I am still playing with the M Speed Pro No 1 (red/green). I have a pair of each: M Speed 105 SL; 98 SL, and 98 UL. They are all very sweat. I am using the 105 SL more lately because I play more doubles now.
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Co-sign. This would be a slam dunk for me at that price. I am still playing yellow/green; red/green; MSpeed Pro No 1 98's running the full gamut of weights. Also have the red/black/whites; a Black Granite and the MS 105's. The grips between the older models and the newer ones are different to be sure,but they do not throw me off. Jump on that deal. NOS are getting harder and harder to find.
 
lgbalfa

lgbalfa

Professional
Cobra Tennis said:
The Pro 1 is the same mold as the X Force Pro 98. BTW, Pacific just got the BX2 frames in. They should be making their way out to the big sites in a couple of weeks.

I should be getting the demos in at the end of the week.
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the BX2 line has been out in europe for over a year now.
 
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WhiteStripes

Semi-Pro
Chotobaka said:
Co-sign. This would be a slam dunk for me at that price. I am still playing yellow/green; red/green; MSpeed Pro No 1 98's running the full gamut of weights. Also have the red/black/whites; a Black Granite and the MS 105's. The grips between the older models and the newer ones are different to be sure,but they do not throw me off. Jump on that deal. NOS are getting harder and harder to find.
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+3. Haven't obviously tried the BX2, but highly doubt it'll feel as smooth and buttery as the more flexible MPro 1s (green/red, green/yellow or whatever). Extremely unlikely that the Fischers will be all over spec-wise like is becoming so prevalent with Wilson, Babolat, Head, etc. frames these days. Save your money and get the Fischers.
 
syke

syke

Professional
WhiteStripes said:
+3. Haven't obviously tried the BX2, but highly doubt it'll feel as smooth and buttery as the more flexible MPro 1s (green/red, green/yellow or whatever). Extremely unlikely that the Fischers will be all over spec-wise like is becoming so prevalent with Wilson, Babolat, Head, etc. frames these days. Save your money and get the Fischers.
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Tried the M Pro 1s before. Compared to my Pacific BX, not much of difference other than the lower flex, which I happen not to like.

The Pacific BX is flexible enough to be honest. In fact I wished it was slightly more stiffer. I need the extra power and pop on my serves.
 
C

Cobra Tennis

Professional
lgbalfa said:
the BX2 line has been out in europe for over a year now.
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Correct. The US will be getting them in the next couple of weeks.



There are also some new frames that haven't been released in Europe that will be available in the US. An X Fast Pro Lite, an updated X Fast Pro, et al
 
carlos djackal

carlos djackal

Professional
Cobra Tennis said:
Correct. The US will be getting them in the next couple of weeks.



There are also some new frames that haven't been released in Europe that will be available in the US. An X Fast Pro Lite, an updated X Fast Pro, et al
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Wow, been looking forward to that day..........good news indeed.
 
C

Cobra Tennis

Professional
carlos djackal said:
Wow, been looking forward to that day..........good news indeed.
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Yep. Some great frames from pacific coming you way. I don't have my catalog or inventory / product line or I could tell you more, but I'm very excited about the x fast pro LT (light)...the x fast pro is the most under advertised frames out there.

all the great qualities of the pure drive, but with that fischer feel and softness that the bab doesn't have.
 
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Wilander

Rookie
I asked for a testracquet directly from Pacific. I wanted to test the X Force Pro BX2 (16 mains). They sent me the 18 mains BX2-version. So I asked them to send me the 16mains-racquet again. This time they sent me the X-Force Pro (16mains) of the first generation (not BX2).
I guess that is acknoxledging that there is nothing new to the BX2-line beside the paintjob.

By the way I have pulled the trigger on the 3 Fischer M Speed Pro No 1 for 180 euro. If I dont like them, I guess I can sell them without too much of a financial loss.
 
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Cobra Tennis

Professional
Wilander said:
I asked for a testracquet directly from Pacific. I wanted to test the X Force Pro BX2 (16 mains). They sent me the 18 mains BX2-version. So I asked them to send me the 16mains-racquet again. This time they sent me the X-Force Pro (16mains) of the first generation (not BX2).
I guess that is acknoxledging that there is nothing new to the BX2-line beside the paintjob.

By the way I have pulled the trigger on the 3 Fischer M Speed Pro No 1 for 180 euro. If I dont like them, I guess I can sell them without too much of a financial loss.
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Sorry that you had a not so pleasant experience with the demos. I haven't gotten my hands on the bx2 yet, but will say the x force pro is a great frame---the old fischer pro 1.

Enjoy your pro 1s! Great frames!
 
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Wilander

Rookie
I have no doubt that the pacif frames are great racquets. But I dont buy their marketing BS:
BX2: 30% more basalt fibers within the same material 28% stronger
20% lighter in overall fiber weight 20% more vibration dampening

Lighter and stronger but the racquet has still the same weight and the same RA value. Something has to be wrong.
 
C

Cobra Tennis

Professional
Wilander said:
I have no doubt that the pacif frames are great racquets. But I dont buy their marketing BS:
BX2: 30% more basalt fibers within the same material 28% stronger
20% lighter in overall fiber weight 20% more vibration dampening

Lighter and stronger but the racquet has still the same weight and the same RA value. Something has to be wrong.
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Sometimes you don't have to believe it, to enjoy it. :)
 
frinton

frinton

Professional
Wilander said:
I asked for a testracquet directly from Pacific. I wanted to test the X Force Pro BX2 (16 mains). They sent me the 18 mains BX2-version. So I asked them to send me the 16mains-racquet again. This time they sent me the X-Force Pro (16mains) of the first generation (not BX2).

I guess that is acknoxledging that there is nothing new to the BX2-line beside the paintjob.



By the way I have pulled the trigger on the 3 Fischer M Speed Pro No 1 for 180 euro. If I dont like them, I guess I can sell them without too much of a financial loss.
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Good for you. I would have suggested exactly that: try them and if unhappy sell them. Would you know if it is possible to get more of these? I am looking for Grip 3 of the heavier version. In case you have those and do not like them, shot me an email to: frinton(at)gmx(dot)ch.
thanks and good luck!
 
Backhanded Compliment

Backhanded Compliment

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vsbabolat said:
That's great! The other companies seem to be having more resin and less carbon fibers.
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yeah! Not certain if it is a result of this ethic of not skimping but Pacific has a good product identity based on "feel." I havent had dwell time like this since the 90's and 80's but with poly strings it is seemingly magnified.

I think its a good thing for the game.
 
carlos djackal

carlos djackal

Professional
Cobra Tennis said:
Yep. Some great frames from pacific coming you way. I don't have my catalog or inventory / product line or I could tell you more, but I'm very excited about the x fast pro LT (light)...the x fast pro is the most under advertised frames out there.

all the great qualities of the pure drive, but with that fischer feel and softness that the bab doesn't have.
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Any update on the release of the Pacific Racquets? What's keeping it away from TW?
 
C

Cobra Tennis

Professional
carlos djackal said:
Any update on the release of the Pacific Racquets? What's keeping it away from TW?
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No idea on my end. I've got all the BX2's demos in except the X Fast Pro and the X Fast Pro Lite (new model for 2014). There were some shortages with certain grip sizes...Supposed to be getting those shipped to me this week according to my rep.

On May 5 I heard that TW should be getting the BX2s "in a few weeks"
 
S

SoCal1

New User
I loved everything about the BX2 XFP except for the fact it has quite a non-polarized weighting to up. Leading it up just it too heavy for me.
 
W

Wilander

Rookie
Im playing the BX2 XForce Pro since 2 weeks. I only added some lead at 3 & 9 and I am really happy with those sticks. After getting used to the lower power again (switching from the Blade 16x19), I find constant lenghts in my groundstrokes. (To make up for the lower power I also had to reduce string tension by 1 kg.)
Probably because I have been grown up playing Fischer, those racquets are just the right choice for me.

P.S.: One of the best things is the fact that all racquets came in nearly identical in weight and swingweight. I was very happy not to have to do that annoying match-process- In addition this gives the impression of a higher quality product than those 15g differing Wilson sticks.
 
syke

syke

Professional
Wilander said:
Im playing the BX2 XForce Pro since 2 weeks. I only added some lead at 3 & 9 and I am really happy with those sticks. After getting used to the lower power again (switching from the Blade 16x19), I find constant lenghts in my groundstrokes. (To make up for the lower power I also had to reduce string tension by 1 kg.)
Probably because I have been grown up playing Fischer, those racquets are just the right choice for me.

P.S.: One of the best things is the fact that all racquets came in nearly identical in weight and swingweight. I was very happy not to have to do that annoying match-process- In addition this gives the impression of a higher quality product than those 15g differing Wilson sticks.
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I have always been on the look out for more power. The X Force is too low powered for my liking, but everything else is just perfect.

The grip shape of the Pacific is the only reason I have not moved on to a Yonex Ai98. Best ever.
 
F

FischerFan

New User
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Cobra Tennis said:
No idea on my end. I've got all the BX2's demos in except the X Fast Pro and the X Fast Pro Lite (new model for 2014). There were some shortages with certain grip sizes...Supposed to be getting those shipped to me this week according to my rep.

On May 5 I heard that TW should be getting the BX2s "in a few weeks"
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So are you in the states? Didn't think anyone had the demos yet..
 
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WhiteStripes

Semi-Pro
I'm eagerly anticipating trying these BX2s when they're released, but at this rate, I've basically given up hope that they'll show up.
 
R

rac rafter

New User
Cobra Tennis said:
Just ordered my demos yesterday. The BX2s have hit the warehouse and will be hitting dealers first and then TW and other sites in a few weeks.


The new BX2s are up on pacific's website.


I'm a pacific dealer btw
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I just browsed their website and I couldn't find that they still have the NO Tolerance in their frames quality, Is the NO TOL quality control still have in the BX1? Did it carry into the BX2?
 
0d1n

0d1n

Hall of Fame
Wilander said:
Thank you very much for clearing that up.
I think thats bad news for me as I have read that the "M Speed Pro No1" do not have "zero tolerance", while the M Pro No 1 do have this feature. If they dont have "zero tolerance", the speeds are knocked out of my considerations ;-)
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Don't worry, Fischer had great reputation for close tolerances.
I've owned 3 of the M Speed Pro no1 and they were close to identical regardless of "no ... no tolerance" :).
Something like 1 gram between them, and were swinging the same. Great frames albeit pretty low powered.
 
McLovin

McLovin

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rac rafter said:
I'm sorry I watch the 18x20 version of the BX2, I've seen the NO TOL in the 16x20 but not in the 18x20....
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As mentioned before in other threads, the 18x20 version of the X Force Pro, as well as the X Force Lite, are from the VT98 mold, which covered the Pro Number One through ~ 2004 (on the left below).

The X Force and X Force Pro are from the Fischer Pro Number One mold that started in 2004 with the 'Pro Number One FT' (aka Frequency Tuning), on the right, and continued through to the M-Pro Number One. Note the change in throat, then compare to the X Force Line:

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But, to answer your question, the 'Zero Tolerance' is only offered on the X Force, X Force Pro (16x20), and X Feel Pro 95.
 
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Backhanded Compliment

Backhanded Compliment

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I just love these sticks and it is nice that the Pacific replacement of the M Comp 95 was actually an improvement. Really curious if the BX2 version of the X Feel pro 95 is also slightly improved? A friend borrowed my prestige to hit with me last week then I told him my new stick was even more pinpoint control oriented. He didnt believe me till I started running him from line to line every rally. Then He tried out one of my Xfeels and he felt it was ultra demanding compared to the Presitige IGMP. Seriously how many other mid plus frames can boast that they are considerably more control oriented than a Prestige MP?

I think it is good for the game.
 
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