Quick question for the TW Staff

TopFH

Hall of Fame
Is the Wilson BLX PS6.1 the highest-rated racquet you sell? It had an 86 overall average.
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
^^ so one wonders why racquets with the smallest heads fare well in ratings but fall short with the public. Do the ratings make sense with respect to what the large majority of people want in a racquet, or is it like giving a Ferrari the highest rating when people are looking for something with room for the groceries and dog.
 

Fuji

Legend
^^ so one wonders why racquets with the smallest heads fare well in ratings but fall short with the public. Do the ratings make sense with respect to what the large majority of people want in a racquet, or is it like giving a Ferrari the highest rating when people are looking for something with room for the groceries and dog.

I believe it's also the level and play styles of the testers. For example, the Prestige Mid had Chris and Granville as testers, both are players who play all court tennis, at a VERY high level, (Open and 5.5 respectively if I recall correctly.) This is a much higher level then what most people play, and they are the crowd that Head is aiming to please with something like the Mid.

The 6.1 Tour 90 on the other hand, I believe has a bit of bias simply because it is RF's new PJ. I rally with quite a few 3.5-4.0 players who use the 90 simply because RF does, and while there are probably better sticks out there for them, they love it because of the name. Different strokes for different folks I guess! :)

-Fuji
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
^^ Of course, but that shouldn't affect ratings in an ideal world. As an example (and to perpetuate the car analogy), most of the writers at Car and Driver magazine have taken high performance driving courses and and many of them race in amateur competition, but they do road tests and ratings of cars with the average driver in mind.
 

Fuji

Legend
^^ Of course, but that shouldn't affect ratings in an ideal world. As an example (and to perpetuate the car analogy), most of the writers at Car and Driver magazine have taken high performance driving courses and and many of them race in amateur competition, but they do road tests and ratings of cars with the average driver in mind.

I totally agree with you on this one. Sadly, I do believe that skill set does go into the ratings at TW. It's more of a personal experience type review, and not one that is made with the average player in mind. :)

-Fuji
 
Look at it this way. You have a sure to be best seller, and you are reviewing it. If you review it badly, then it won't get sales. The Federer name is a huge sell point, you don't want to counteract that with a bad review.

But, The playtesters might just like it, I know that I prefer the wilson box beams to all else :)
 
The reviews show an attempt by TW to match up their playtesters with the general target audience of the frames.

I don't want Granville or Chris or any of the other playtesters to tell me what they think an 'average player' would experience with the frame. I simply want to know their experience during the playtest. The written and video reviews give me enough information to allow me to target playtests of my own. That's when I can find out how it works for an average player!
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
One comment from Spencer that I see frequently - he needs help with his serve and frame XYZ doesn't help him enough.

I'm sure that many try to find one or two of the testers that is closest to their style and then pay more attention to those testers.

BTW, I wouldn't mind seeing a serve-and-volley player - someone that is always ready, willing and able to come to the net. I also wouldn't mind seeing one person (besides Granville) in their 50s and one in their 60s.
 

Fuji

Legend
One comment from Spencer that I see frequently - he needs help with his serve and frame XYZ doesn't help him enough.

I'm sure that many try to find one or two of the testers that is closest to their style and then pay more attention to those testers.

BTW, I wouldn't mind seeing a serve-and-volley player - someone that is always ready, willing and able to come to the net. I also wouldn't mind seeing one person (besides Granville) in their 50s and one in their 60s.

Good call!

I follow Granville the most, we play very similar games and I find his opinions are usually pretty dead on.

I also would LOVE to see a S&V Player. That'd be great to see.

-Fuji
 

Fuji

Legend
The reviews show an attempt by TW to match up their playtesters with the general target audience of the frames.

I don't want Granville or Chris or any of the other playtesters to tell me what they think an 'average player' would experience with the frame. I simply want to know their experience during the playtest. The written and video reviews give me enough information to allow me to target playtests of my own. That's when I can find out how it works for an average player!

You put up a very good point. Their reviews are very informative and helpful!

-Fuji
 
One comment from Spencer that I see frequently - he needs help with his serve and frame XYZ doesn't help him enough.

I'm sure that many try to find one or two of the testers that is closest to their style and then pay more attention to those testers.

BTW, I wouldn't mind seeing a serve-and-volley player - someone that is always ready, willing and able to come to the net. I also wouldn't mind seeing one person (besides Granville) in their 50s and one in their 60s.

Good comment.

Also, I don't pay any attention at all to the quantitative scores. I just read the subjective thoughts from the playtesters, while keeping in mind they won't bring down sales by giving poor reviews.

A point about scoring, is that practically every tested racket gets every single score between 75 and 90. You simply can't use a rating difference of 3 points out of 100 (I take it 0-100 is the scale) and say one is better than the other.

My point is, there's no point in having a quantitative score since player preferences are so different.
 
Good call!

I follow Granville the most, we play very similar games and I find his opinions are usually pretty dead on.

I also would LOVE to see a S&V Player. That'd be great to see.

-Fuji

For me it's Chris, we are very similar in style and level, even a similar height and age, I suspect..

Spence can never get any depth with a players stick and needs help with his serve, lol!

Granville has to have a leather grip before he likes anything, and if it doesn't weigh >12 oz Troy is gonna say it has no plow through..

(and I have no idea what Kana says cos I just get distracted by her Kana-ness the moment she appears)
 

TW Staff

Administrator
For me it's Chris, we are very similar in style and level, even a similar height and age, I suspect..

Spence can never get any depth with a players stick and needs help with his serve, lol!

Granville has to have a leather grip before he likes anything, and if it doesn't weigh >12 oz Troy is gonna say it has no plow through..

(and I have no idea what Kana says cos I just get distracted by her Kana-ness the moment she appears)


It's a work in progress, but I'm making strides on both accounts....I swear!

Good post. Made me chuckle:)

Spencer, TW.
 

TopFH

Hall of Fame
Another quick one. Both Chris and Granville were wearing the Asics GR4, right? I had to leave before I watched the rest, though.
 

Spring Pools

New User
When I read the reviews, I pretend that there aren't numbers. I look at what everyone says in general especially the negative. I also take into mind that TW is a business, so they're not gonna say a racquet is horrible. Then I realize that everyone has totally different tastes and stop reading and look at the pretty pictures instead. :)
 

cork_screw

Hall of Fame
You need to put this in the right category. This thread belongs in the questions and comments where the staff can see it and address it easier. They keep on top of that better than the racquet section.
 
For me it's Chris, we are very similar in style and level, even a similar height and age, I suspect..

Spence can never get any depth with a players stick and needs help with his serve, lol!

Granville has to have a leather grip before he likes anything, and if it doesn't weigh >12 oz Troy is gonna say it has no plow through..

(and I have no idea what Kana says cos I just get distracted by her Kana-ness the moment she appears)

It's a work in progress, but I'm making strides on both accounts....I swear!

Good post. Made me chuckle:)

Spencer, TW.

And Spencer cannot play test a Boris Becker/Volkl without saying that he HATES the grip shape.
 

ghia

Rookie
It seems to me like the whole TW test crew is just as racquetoholic as the rest of us followers!
Hope they don't concentrate as much as I do about gear instead of training and technique.

It is though just incredible fun to play test over and over again ...:twisted:
 

jack crack

New User
A lot of folks on this forum are not the average rec player. For rec players there is a myriad of misinformation regarding both equipment and technique. For folks that think more than $60 for a racket is a lot, they might never get a lesson or help from a pro. Instead they get misdirected by well meaning friends who are not really qualified.

Oversize and less than premium rackets often are marked down. Then there is the power rating. Novices are often attracted to high power rackets. They don't realize it is actually holding them back at some point.

Once I was asked by a friend why I switched rackets. When I said the old racket was too powerful they chuckled, because their perception was that I was saying I could not handle a powerful racket. Then I explained the power wasn't helping me play better, it was keeping me from playing better.

But lots of players are just not gear heads, and not students of the game. They just go out and hit. As long as they are having fun - that's great. They stick with the 110 racket thinking the giant sweet spot is an advantage and they can't develop there strokes further because everything flies out.

Lot's of folks get put off by rackets that are "recommended for 4.0 or higher". They really need such a racket to progress, bur think they aren't ready.

So I think simple misinformation and price keeps many developing players from going to better equipment that could help them get to another level.

My only two suggestions to any player:
1. Get playing advice from a good pro. Politely ignore non pros.
2. Demo LOTS of rackets, and if you are a 3.0 do not hesitate to demo a racket rated higher. Give them all a good test and you may be surprised to find yourself buying 12 oz, 95" players stick in a year or two.

All the above was learned first hand by making the mistakes described. Just one student/rec players thoughts....
 

TW Staff

Administrator
And Spencer cannot play test a Boris Becker/Volkl without saying that he HATES the grip shape.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, TM. Never said "HATE". But yes, their grip shapes are not what I prefer as I find them too rectangular.

That said, I am a fan of the BB London Tour. After the playtest I even modified one to my liking by changing the grip shape, and adding a leather grip.

If only I could coax some more power on serve and get some more depth on my groundies....;)

Spencer, TW.
 

Huzzah

New User
For me it's Chris, we are very similar in style and level, even a similar height and age, I suspect..

Spence can never get any depth with a players stick and needs help with his serve, lol!

Granville has to have a leather grip before he likes anything, and if it doesn't weigh >12 oz Troy is gonna say it has no plow through..

(and I have no idea what Kana says cos I just get distracted by her Kana-ness the moment she appears)

Has Troy ever seemed positive about a racquet?
 

Fuji

Legend
Has Troy ever seemed positive about a racquet?

I believe there were a few where the swingweight was up in the 340's and it was in his range. Possibly the Head Youtek Radical Pro? I believe he said something along the lines of it being "right near the top of his spectrum" where he can use it comfortably.

Honestly I can't blame him though, I play with swingweights very similar to him! (360 - 400) :)

-Fuji
 
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