Quick Question: Why is Sinner not seeded?

RaulRamirez

Legend
Watching Shapo- Sinner - kind of a tough break for both that this is a first round match. Present rankings are 11 and 32.

What am I missing? Why isn't Sinner seeded?
 

TheAssassin

Legend
Thanks. I didn't realize that. Do you know how many spots he moved up...at least 4 spots, I suppose. (Too lazy to look it up.)
Looks like he was 36th last week. So he needed 4 seeded players to withdraw in order to make the cut. But other than Federer I don't think anyone else did.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
Protecting the rankings is fine but as I have stated before it should be less glacial and closer to the normal way...

It takes away too many opportunities for the youngsters and gives them to non-performing guys like Monflis (sorry, love him as a chap).
What would you have proposed?
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Winning irrelevant warm up tournament does not make one a deserving seed
Oh, but Felix, who has never won anything, was seeded 20. Sinner also won his last tournament in 2020 as well. Take a look at the lower seeds, most of them aren't deserving either:

23. Dusan Lajovic (SRB)
24. Casper Ruud (NOR)
25. Benoit Paire (FRA)
26. Hubert Hurkacz (POL)
27. Taylor Fritz (USA)
28. Filip Krajinovic (SRB)
29. Ugo Humbert (FRA)
30. Dan Evans (GB)
31. Lorenzo Sonego (ITA)
32. Adrian Mannarino (FRA)
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
Oh, but Felix, who has never won anything, was seeded 20. Sinner also won his last tournament in 2020 as well. Take a look at the lower seeds, most of them aren't deserving either:

23. Dusan Lajovic (SRB)
24. Casper Ruud (NOR)
25. Benoit Paire (FRA)
26. Hubert Hurkacz (POL)
27. Taylor Fritz (USA)
28. Filip Krajinovic (SRB)
29. Ugo Humbert (FRA)
30. Dan Evans (GB)
31. Lorenzo Sonego (ITA)
32. Adrian Mannarino (FRA)

There's no subjectivity in seeding anymore for almost every tournament. It has nothing to do with "deserving" a certain seed based on talent, potential, or recent form. It's a straight reflection of the rankings, and Sinner just missed out because his ranking was not high enough when they seeded the players and made the draw.
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
Oh, but Felix, who has never won anything, was seeded 20. Sinner also won his last tournament in 2020 as well. Take a look at the lower seeds, most of them aren't deserving either:

23. Dusan Lajovic (SRB)
24. Casper Ruud (NOR)
25. Benoit Paire (FRA)
26. Hubert Hurkacz (POL)
27. Taylor Fritz (USA)
28. Filip Krajinovic (SRB)
29. Ugo Humbert (FRA)
30. Dan Evans (GB)
31. Lorenzo Sonego (ITA)
32. Adrian Mannarino (FRA)
COVID rankings are completely messed up tbh, but there's always a fwe overranked guys out there. Should correct itself in the next 8 months.

Sinner could've won today if he hadn't exhausted himself doing what Thiem is memed for.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
Oh, but Felix, who has never won anything, was seeded 20. Sinner also won his last tournament in 2020 as well. Take a look at the lower seeds, most of them aren't deserving either:

23. Dusan Lajovic (SRB)
24. Casper Ruud (NOR)
25. Benoit Paire (FRA)
26. Hubert Hurkacz (POL)
27. Taylor Fritz (USA)
28. Filip Krajinovic (SRB)
29. Ugo Humbert (FRA)
30. Dan Evans (GB)
31. Lorenzo Sonego (ITA)
32. Adrian Mannarino (FRA)
He caught a bad break between the pandemic freeze (as he outplayed his ranking) and winning the warmup tourney just after the draw was made.
In a sense, Shapo caught a tough break, too, but found a way to win.
It's a shame that wasn't at least a R of 32 encounter, but over the years, I think they both have the game to be contenders.
Of the players you listed, I don't know if any of them is better than he is right now.
(I realize that rankings are objective, and he may be a seed by RG).
 
COVID rankings are completely messed up tbh, but there's always a fwe overranked guys out there. Should correct itself in the next 8 months.

Sinner could've won today if he hadn't exhausted himself doing what Thiem is memed for.

Yes, let's blame the man for actually playing well and winning.

Straight from the book of this guy:

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RaulRamirez

Legend
To clarify, I was not following Sinner's ranking all that closely, but thought he was a Top 32 seed.
I did not look at the draw too closely, and happened into Shapo-Sinner this morning, and then looked up his ranking.
To be honest, I don't really fault the process of the pandemic-rankings, as it was uncharted territory, and I had forgotten that the draw was set (of course) before the conclusion of the warm-up tourney that he won.

Sinner kind of got a tough break in a few different ways: Just missing the cutoff, outplaying his "pandemic ranking", drawing an 11-seed in the first round, and coming in fatigued. Credit to Shapo for hanging in, though -- pretty good match!
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
I'm really liking Denis coming to the net more and more, and actually making some competent volleys (mixed in with some bricks). He's the only one of the young guys who attacks the net with some frequency, that has to bode well for his future.
I think so...he is exciting. I think Stefanos has pretty good frontcourt skills as well. (We're not going to see Edberg, Rafter or even ( not a slight) Roger again, I don't think...or too many with Rafa's hands.

Do you find though - that at the net - that Shapo goes for a bit too much at times.
I'd really like to see his whole game come together. He has a great arsenal of weapons!
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
I must be missing something because I don't see what the fuss is about Sinner. I see him as a 10-20 ranked player, not a top 10 or top 5 guy. What am I missing?
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
I must be missing something because I don't see what the fuss is about Sinner. I see him as a 10-20 ranked player, not a top 10 or top 5 guy. What am I missing?
He's 19 -- we don't know what he may become.
I started this thread - and it started as just an objective question.
It's branched out a little, as these things do.
 
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