Race to YE#1 2019

TripleATeam

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I started a similar thread last year after Wimbledon. Let's see where this one goes.

Current standings in the Race to London:

Nadal: 9225
Djokovic 7265
Federer: 5510

At this point, these 3 are the only real contenders. Medvedev could also be considered assuming he wins the US Open, but at that point Federer and Medvedev's race totals would be so similar you could substitute him anywhere below for Federer and nothing would change.

With 4500 points left on the table after the US Open, it comes down to what happens in the next week. Nadal has 1640 points left on the table in New York, and can take it all home. Assuming he does, he'll have 9225 points. At that point, it's nigh impossible for Federer to catch up. Even without Nadal winning the US Open, Federer still has to win 1 of the Big Titles and Basel to have a real chance, with solid showings in the other two.

Beijing/Tokyo (500)
Shanghai (1000)
Basel/Vienna (500)
Paris (1000)
London (1500)

The saving grace for Nadal's opponents is that he will likely play fewer events post-USO. If what I hear is true, that's Paris and London.

What I'm going to do is play off an assumption (else this race becomes a slaughter):
  • Djokovic and Federer do not simultaneously do well. This will drastically reduce each of their chances at victory.
1: Federer victory

Federer can win. It's just a matter of how far we're willing to stretch our belief. First say Federer wins Basel, the WTF (without losing a match), Shanghai, and Paris. That's 4000 points, and Federer is at 9510. If Federer is to do this, I don't see how he could have played China/Tokyo beforehand. That would be too much time on court.

If we assume Federer wins every single match he plays for the rest of the year, Nadal just needs to win the US Open and 2 RR matches at the WTF to come out ahead. Alternatively, the US Open, 1 RR match, and a R4 at Paris.

The following is a best case scenario:
Nadal: (9425)
US Open: W​
Paris: Withdraw​
WTF: 1 RR win (drawn with Federer, Tsitsipas, and Nishikori)​
Federer: (9510)
Shanghai: W​
Basel: W​
Paris: W​
WTF: W (1 loss not to Rafa)​
Djokovic: (9465)
Tokyo: W​
Shanghai: F​
Paris: F​
WTF: RR (2 RR wins - loss in semifinal)​
I don't think Federer's getting YE#1.​

2. Djokovic victory (2018 performance)

Djokovic performed very well late last year. Not as great as 2013, but we'll get to that eventuality.

Assuming everything is the same...
Nadal: (10225)
US Open: W​
Paris: SF​
WTF: SF (2 wins, loses in SF to Djokovic because Federer led that group with 3-0)​
Djokovic: (10365)
Tokyo: W​
Shanghai: W​
Paris: F (loss to young gun)​
WTF: F (no losses)​
Not too shabby. Nadal would put up decent results, and Novak could still come out ahead with a very consistent end to the year, and only just beats out Nadal.

3. Djokovic (2013 performance) vs Nadal (best theoretical performance to date)

The very epitome of Djokovic's post-USO performances. He was right on the verge of catching Nadal that year as well, but Nadal mounted his greatest post-USO season as well.

Nadal: (10825)
US Open: W​
Shanghai: Withdraw​
Paris: F (loss to Djokovic)​
WTF: F (3-0 in RR, loss in final to Djokovic)​
Djokovic: (11065)
Tokyo: W​
Shanghai: W​
Paris: W​
WTF: W (one loss)​
Conclusion

Of course, no talk of the Race is complete without mentioning the obvious. All of these are exceptions to the rule. In each of these scenarios I either hold Nadal's competition to very high standards or make Nadal himself perform sub-par because otherwise it isn't a race, it's just Nadal winning.
 
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If we consider wedding talk is real, we have to assume Nadal will miss tournament or two, also Djokovic's injury could make him not play few tournaments or up to what it takes to have strong finish to the year. Both sides of the coin have their chances but I would give Nadal the edge especially if have wins USO. Federer YE#1 is not happening.

And thanks for putting this together @TripleATeam
 
I think it is still Novak to lose it. He is well placed to finish as no 1 considering his typical strong showings in post USO season.
 
Fed obviously lost any reasonable chance last night.

Djoko vs RAFA should be super close if Nadal wins the USO. If RAFA botches the USO he's not getting it in my opinion.

A lot depends on schedules. Nadal is healthy right now. If he plays Shanghai, Paris and WTF healhty he should normally hang on to a 2000 point lead.

I don't see Djokovic play 2 500s and 2 1000s.
 
Fed obviously lost any reasonable chance last night.

Djoko vs RAFA should be super close if Nadal wins the USO. If RAFA botches the USO he's not getting it in my opinion.

A lot depends on schedules. Nadal is healthy right now. If he plays Shanghai, Paris and WTF healhty he should normally hang on to a 2000 point lead.

I don't see Djokovic play 2 500s and 2 1000s.

Wedding!
;)
 
If we consider wedding talk is real, we have to assume Nadal will miss tournament or two, also Djokovic's injury could make him not play few tournaments or up to what it takes to have strong finish to the year. Both sides of the coin have their chances but I would give Nadal the edge especially if have wins USO. Federer YE#1 is not happening.

And thanks for putting this together @TripleATeam

beyond wedding, there is Nadal talk about health and apparently he said he is not going to play much post USO.
so that could boil down to Shanghai + London.

If Nadal wins USO, he is in the driver's seat, and he can watch the Djokovic performance and decide whether he wants to take the risk of injury.
What if Djokovic doesn't GOAT during Autumn?
Then what would be the point to risk an injury for Nadal?

As for Federer, I don't think he can win Basel + Paris + London.
Apparently the age starts catching up.
 
Fed obviously lost any reasonable chance last night.

Djoko vs RAFA should be super close if Nadal wins the USO. If RAFA botches the USO he's not getting it in my opinion.

A lot depends on schedules. Nadal is healthy right now. If he plays Shanghai, Paris and WTF healhty he should normally hang on to a 2000 point lead.

I don't see Djokovic play 2 500s and 2 1000s.
About Fed, probably.

As for Djokovic playing 2 500s, probably not, especially with that injury. Maybe just the Big Titles, but who knows? I'm just going by his schedule.

And Rafa? I think he'll miss one of the M1000s and play no 500s, which gives Djokovic some space to catch up even if Rafa wins the US Open.
 
OP, you can safely exclude Federer from that race now. It would have been difficult even before, but with two front runners so far ahead it is nearly impossible for Federer to catch up with them.

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Yeah, probably, but I didn't want to discount him just yet. He's mathematically still in it until, and if Medvedev wins the US Open he'll also have an outside chance at it. Easy enough to edit OP when Federer loses it.
 
We also have to consider the seriousness of Djokovic's injury and how much he is willing to push himself in the fall season. It's very likely he only plays the masters events and London so Nadal has a very good chance if he wins the USO and plays decently in a couple of events post that
 
If Rafa wins the USO and can pull semis in Paris it will take a monstrous effort from Djokovic to claim YE1.
 
I really hope not...

I am the same.......Hope he takes most the of the year off post US Open irrespective of result.....End of season really causes difficulties with injuries/etc and he is hilly unlikely to win anything either way....Nole at 80% can win most tournaments post US Open.....
 
If Rafa wins the USO and can pull semis in Paris it will take a monstrous effort from Djokovic to claim YE1.

Really???! YEC and Shanghai win would be 2,500 right there....That cancels out lead and I'd imagine Nole will do better at other tournaments....Rafa - for the love of God do the sensible thing and maybe just play YEC....Just focus on arriving in Australia 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I am the same.......Hope he takes most the of the year off post US Open irrespective of result.....End of season really causes difficulties with injuries/etc and he is hilly unlikely to win anything either way....Nole at 80% can win most tournaments post US Open.....
Agreed. In fact, it would be really stupid if Nadal plays more than 3 tournaments after USO (including Laver Cup). He should have learned by now that with his body it's when not if.
 
Agreed. In fact, it would be really stupid if Nadal plays more than 3 tournaments after USO (including Laver Cup). He should have learned by now that with his body it's when not if.

I've lost track of the amount of times he has turned up post US Open slightly injured and then it gets worse or he picks up injury.......There have been some quite daft decisions in the last few years.....I can still remember him playing Goffin clearly injured and a few others but I can't quite remember details........I think his team have indicated they have disagreed with him on decisions like this over the last few years........I presume he isn't doing any of Asia and maybe just Paris/YEC.....
 
Really???! YEC and Shanghai win would be 2,500 right there....That cancels out lead and I'd imagine Nole will do better at other tournaments....Rafa - for the love of God do the sensible thing and maybe just play YEC....Just focus on arriving in Australia 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Winning YEC and Shanghai for him in his condition would be unreal.
 
Even if Nadal wins the UsOpen, Djokovic will be #1. After UsOpen is the WEAKEST part of season for Nadal.

I don't think anything will change with the wedding. With Nadal's longtime relation of 10+ years, it's basically two people living together who just sign a piece of paper.
 
Paris Bercy and London are enough for Nadal in the remainder of the season.
(I would have liked him not to participate in the Laver Cup but business is business)
:cautious:
 
As a Rafa fan i couldnt care less about YE1 this season...id rather Rafa recovers from USO.

I can live with djokovic being YE1. He will then equal federer which would make Federers year even worse...and that will mean his fans go into even more desperate states lol
 
As a Rafa fan i couldnt care less about YE1 this season...id rather Rafa recovers from USO.

I can live with djokovic being YE1. He will then equal federer which would make Federers year even worse...and that will mean his fans go into even more desperate states lol
He's already equalled Federer.
 
As a Rafa fan i couldnt care less about YE1 this season...id rather Rafa recovers from USO.

I can live with djokovic being YE1. He will then equal federer which would make Federers year even worse...and that will mean his fans go into even more desperate states lol

Why do you care so much about other players' fans being miserable? Wouldn't you rather be excited about the player you're fan of yourself? Such odd thinking on these boards.....

Anyway, if Djokovic gets it he doesn't equal Federer, he actually passes him and equals Sampras.
ALthough I don't particularly care about any of them in favor of the other, I do like the idea of all 3 of them having 5 YE#1s.

In all likelihood it will come down completely to how severe Djokovic' injury is and how much he wants to push his luck with it.

Seems likely that Nadal would have enough with either a SF or F at the WTF.
 
People who truly leave this Forum just go and say nothing. They just vanish. Those who announce with a grand flourish that they're leaving always are back within 24-48 hours.
Heart's in the right place, but it's been done.

Had a big public wager last year, and I peaced out for like a month-and-a-half I think.
 
Looks like Djokovic is winning Tokyo. Assuming he beats Millman in the final:

Nadal: 9225
Djokovic: 7765
Federer: 5520

Federer can catch up only if he wins the 4000 points up for grabs now, and Nadal wins at most 3 total matches the rest of the year. However, it's much more likely he acts as a "spoiler" for Djokovic - if he beats Djokovic in Shanghai or is drawn with Djokovic in the Paris semi, we could see an adverse effect on Djokovic's chances at #1.

Nadal has withdrawn from Shanghai, meaning he cannot win the 1000 points left here. If Djokovic wins here (even with a somewhat difficult draw), this is how the race looks:

Nadal: 9225
Djokovic: 8765

These point totals would make me think Djokovic is more likely to end #1 than Nadal, given their track records at the WTF and Paris, so it's going to be exciting to see what happens!
 
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