Racket "Technologies"... real or gimmicks?

Lately everything about tennis rackets seems, to me at least, to be all for marketing purposes. From the pros' equipment to the advertising to the technologies, it seems to be kind of fake. I was wondering if other people felt the same way. In specific, about whether you think all the new "technologies" are just gimmicks for attention, or if they really improve the game.

Thanks in advance,
doc
 

Marshredder

Semi-Pro
Some are decent, some are rubbish, for example, the Babolat Woofer system is pretty good, does seem to increase the amount of time the balls on the strings, but then some tech's are rubbish, basalt fibres? Basalts a natural rock, how much difference can it actually make?
 
for example-

Boris Becker and Volkl Big Grommet- same thing as making the headsize bigger
Head Crossbow- same thing as making the tension looser
Wilson K Factor/nCode/BLX- just changes the feel, doesn't improve anything
Prince EXO3- REALLY fancy holes; there's no such thing as an "energy channel," you don't need a nuclear physics class to figure that out
GT, Aerogel, Liquidmetal, Microgel, Triple Threat, DNX- more crap that can't possibly help your performance, only make it sound complicated
 
I think some legitimate ones are-
Head D3O- but that depends on whether or not the D3O changes construction under enough pressure that the pros can hit that hard (if that's not a run-on sentence or anything)
Babolat Aero Modular- makes sense to me
ProKennex Kinetic- innovative and possibly useful (if it doesn't make an uncontrollable feeling or rattling sound)
Prince O3- probably reduces shock and increases sweet spot
Powerangle Diagonals- definitely most innovative and useful tech that no one uses. It really reduces shock, extends string life, improves accuracy, and above all, makes sense.
Yonex Isometric Square Head- seems logical for improving sweet spot, though looks weird
 
except people are supposed to buy it cuz Roger's using it... but its in his contract so he has to. Notice how his shots weren't going in in his last match... :-?
 

matchmaker

Hall of Fame
Pure gimmicks, nothing more.

Just today I hit with a colleague who hadn't played in ages. He had brought an old Adidas racquet with him. His serve was very heavy and his main asset. I am sure that with today's lightweight 100 s.i. sticks his main strength would have been a lot less powerful.

Long live the old school sticks.
 

jwbarrientos

Hall of Fame
Generally speaking I think many innovations are so marginal that a regular player won't perceive the difference, many together will improve your game here and there.

Innovations in racquet industry as are introduced make sense, but that doesn't mean will improve significantly your game.

I think weight, headsize, stiffness, string patterns are crucial compared with technologies, anyhow they are among us so enjoy them and make your own conclusion.

IMHO, mostly s***ks.
 
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BLX

Rookie
Lately everything about tennis rackets seems, to me at least, to be all for marketing purposes. From the pros' equipment to the advertising to the technologies, it seems to be kind of fake. I was wondering if other people felt the same way. In specific, about whether you think all the new "technologies" are just gimmicks for attention, or if they really improve the game.

Thanks in advance,
doc


Pro Kennex:


kinetic energy....the racket can now swing for you? great!

ProKennex Ionic Technology.... more like ironic technology because all the technology is in the marketing.

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Wilson:

Rollers.. ..( what a bunch of b.s. that was! In the 70's everyone had a pair)

Ncode ...(the N stands for nothing)

Nfoam;.....a new form of contraceptive

Ngrommets......That is not a nice word to call black people!

K factor...... aka...the Kmart factor, the "you can feel it (K)oming" slogan WTF wilson, (K)arbon? more like marketing (K)rap

(K)ompact Center...... A building where wilson invents random new technology .

(K)arophite Black...... (K)graphite? black? explain to me this exotic property that is graphite please wilson

Isozorb....should be called .."I so cannot believe how stupid you suckers are"

Triad......Named after Wilson suckers...they will "try" anything!

Hyper Carbon.. plain Normal carbon is so 20th century.

Hammer technology.....should be called screw technology because that's what wilson is doing to you.

Slingshot yoke ,,,,shoots eggs at you???

Isogrid....yah...I so am laughing that you would fall for this crap

W line of racquets....If a man uses it he will instantly grow a vagina

Nzone...very similar to the twilight zone, Its an alternate dimension where tennis players believe any pseudo technology Wilson invents.

FX technology..FX is the illusion that wilsons BS "technologies" are actually working.

Double Holes..isnt that a porno i watched a few weeks ago?

AGT- Articulated Grommet Technology.. big rig 18 wheeler Grommets coming 2010

BLX... short for BoLl0X. sums up every BS technology wilson has produced.
 

fuzz nation

G.O.A.T.
Seems to be mostly gimmicks, but the strategy in the racquet selling business for a while has been to sort of reinvent things from time to time. For those folks that buy an shiny new frame every year or two, it can create the impression of being better equipped when the technology in a fresh racquet is more up to date.

Regardless of what it's made with though, a racquet's performance will still pretty much be determined by its weight, balance, and flex as well as some other empirical things. Adding moon rocks to the graphite or using liquid nitrogen to freeze dry the grip to the foundation probably won't matter when it all interacts with an incoming ball.

An industry insider pal of mine does believe that the kinetic/ionic shock reducing system in the ProKennex frames actually works. Considering the number of testimonies around here supporting the arm friendly experiences that players have had with those racquets, I'd say they've done something right.

The O-port and Speedport idea that Prince has come up with is sort of interesting, too. More or less, them thar ports let the strings connect to the frame closer to its outside edge than with conventional grommets. If nothing else, it probably makes one of their 100 sq. inch frames seem more comfortable than someone else's racquet with the same hoop size. The ones I've tried have seemed rather cozy. Not sure about any claims of better aerodynamics, but I've never worried about that in my racquets.
 

kfrog12

New User
Although most of these technologies are probably blown out of proportion, but they all work in their own ways to differeniate the game you can play. Some technologies just makes it easier for you do do things. I remembered when I first started to put heavy topspin in my balls and didn't want to comprimise the depth of my shots, I used a prince o3.

O yea, Basalt fibers is ledgit. It's commonly used in the gun industry as a material that is very similar to carbon fiber. However, it is cheaper to produce and can withstand heavy impact several times to steel. It is more dense than carbon fiber and is a good choice.

I wouldn't blame fed's poor performance to BLX, I think it's his twins that's affecting his game. The pros all have specific stock that they play with, who knows ... fed might be using an n90 that's painted into a BLX...
 
great post blx ;)
i have found that the O-Ports make the racket LESS aerodynamic, especially when serving. Think about it, more surface area, more air resistance... just try it and you'll see that not only is the aerodynamic-ness a gimmick, but the opposite is actually true.
and I thought I invented the (K)rap joke ;)
 

rudester

Professional
IMHO a lot can be done to simulate the effects of the stated technologies by a good stringer using different strings and tensions.
 
thats cool, but i never doubted it was there. I have one. I have only doubted that it actually does anything there and then, on contact with the ball.
 

Six.One.Tour.90FAN

Professional
a wilson rep told me today that blx 90 is just a paintjob!
Apparently kfactor was the real thing,
you dont know what you got till its gone i guess
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
The main stats that TW lists (size, length, swingweight, static weight, stiffness, balance) are the important characteristics. I generally ignore how they got there.
 

everard104

New User
I've never found a Head racquet that I liked, but i do like their Teflon grommet system. Sometimes new technologies are old ones used in different applications.
 
thats true, the real stats are what count.
any yea i know this isnt really the thread to be talking about paint jobs but i do like them! anything wrong with that? XD
 

martini1

Hall of Fame
Some are decent, some are rubbish, for example, the Babolat Woofer system is pretty good, does seem to increase the amount of time the balls on the strings, but then some tech's are rubbish, basalt fibres? Basalts a natural rock, how much difference can it actually make?

I believe since N code wilson has been mixing sand type material into their fiber. The K fiber is just a finer version of the N, and BLX could be just the difference in the "sand" they use in the mix.

Some people also mentioned Wilson put silicone into the Blx handle/grip.
 
well the liquidmetal isnt really titanium, its probably an alloy that happens to be liquid at room temperature. I think that although liquidmetal is a great line for its price, it really does nothing (noticeable to us at least) for the racket. Its not that its anything special, but i have no complaints about the line whatsoever.
 

Deodorant

Rookie
hehe dunlops aerogel/4d technology is real. =D. i recently obtained used ag4d300 and decided to paint strip it since the paint was all messed up, i saw the clearish blue form of aerogel and the 4d braiding is actually there. you can see it form the outside too at the 5/7 postitions. the braiding looks nice and does its job.
 

Syfo-Dias

Professional
It seems to me like most racquet technologies are total BS. They're just using fillers to reduce costs on graphite and making up some "technology" to call it every few years. To me there's nothing better than pure graphite or braided graphite & kevlar.
 

BLX

Rookie
It seems to me like most racquet technologies are total BS. They're just using fillers to reduce costs on graphite and making up some "technology" to call it every few years. To me there's nothing better than pure graphite or braided graphite & kevlar.

I think dunlop was the most pure brand with the Hotmelt range. Now it has gone downhill with BS like 4 directional braiding and aerogel.
 
I think n code and k factor at the very least make the frame more durable. my n90 certainly seems so as it survived a lot of collisions and drops losing a lot of paints in the process, but its still play well and have no signs of cracking..... I hope.
 
D

decades

Guest
it's marketing in the ascendancy at the expense of traditionalists.
 

(K)evin

Rookie
Pro Kennex:


kinetic energy....the racket can now swing for you? great!

ProKennex Ionic Technology.... more like ironic technology because all the technology is in the marketing.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wilson:

Rollers.. ..( what a bunch of b.s. that was! In the 70's everyone had a pair)

Ncode ...(the N stands for nothing)

Nfoam;.....a new form of contraceptive

Ngrommets......That is not a nice word to call black people!

K factor...... aka...the Kmart factor, the "you can feel it (K)oming" slogan WTF wilson, (K)arbon? more like marketing (K)rap

(K)ompact Center...... A building where wilson invents random new technology .

(K)arophite Black...... (K)graphite? black? explain to me this exotic property that is graphite please wilson

Isozorb....should be called .."I so cannot believe how stupid you suckers are"

Triad......Named after Wilson suckers...they will "try" anything!

Hyper Carbon.. plain Normal carbon is so 20th century.

Hammer technology.....should be called screw technology because that's what wilson is doing to you.

Slingshot yoke ,,,,shoots eggs at you???

Isogrid....yah...I so am laughing that you would fall for this crap

W line of racquets....If a man uses it he will instantly grow a vagina

Nzone...very similar to the twilight zone, Its an alternate dimension where tennis players believe any pseudo technology Wilson invents.

FX technology..FX is the illusion that wilsons BS "technologies" are actually working.

Double Holes..isnt that a porno i watched a few weeks ago?

AGT- Articulated Grommet Technology.. big rig 18 wheeler Grommets coming 2010

BLX... short for BoLl0X. sums up every BS technology wilson has produced.

someone must be mad at wilson or are they posting this because they have nothing else to do and their username is BLX short for BOLLOX?
 
It's very strange that manufacturers are cutting costs even further in materials when wages are at rock bottom with manufacturing taking place in China. Aren't they paying those workers something like 5 cents an hour?!?

You would think that racquet companies could make their racquets out of pure gold with the wages being what they are overseas....
 

big bang

Hall of Fame
It's very strange that manufacturers are cutting costs even further in materials when wages are at rock bottom with manufacturing taking place in China. Aren't they paying those workers something like 5 cents an hour?!?

You would think that racquet companies could make their racquets out of pure gold with the wages being what they are overseas....

no they actually pay to work for wilson, you cant get much higher in the chinese society. the next emperor will probably be one of wilsons top-employees..
 

Chezbeeno

Professional
just out of curiosity have any of the people who have posted here and dissed BLX, actually used a BLX racquet? I haven't compared the K90 to the BLX90 but I have compared the the K6.1 95 to the new BLX version and there is a definite change, a good one in my opinion.

If you've actually used BLX racquets and thought BLX didn't do anything, fine, otherwise, stop trolling
 
I like to think of tennis rackets like samurai sword which is perfected by the experiences and the knowledge of the sword master. Make the steel too hard, and it's brittle. Make it too soft, then it's too dull. The minute balance of the steel hardness through chemical processes is crucial to the end product.

Most people don't understand that like manufacturing steel, tiny changes in graphites' manufacturing process could end up with very different products. And different companies have their own secret manufacturing processes that are being perfected through years of research. Best way to explain to people is through flashy marketing campaign like Wilson's k factor and Head's liquid metal as most of you reading this simply has no idea how complicated the process of manufacturing graphites and rackets are. So instead of explain in detail and exposing their trade secrets, companies use flash names to let layman like us briefly know somethings were done to improve the rackets.

So are the racket techs gimmicks? Usually techs that are really easy for consumers to see such as flexipoints and aerogels are gimmicks, as they are really easy to change for consumers to see the differences. But these radical changes are usually temporary selling points as these manufactures soon revert or jump to another gimmicky design. The real racket techs that fundamentally change the molecular structures and consistency of the rackets.
 

Chezbeeno

Professional
I like to think of tennis rackets like samurai sword which is perfected by the experiences and the knowledge of the sword master. Make the steel too hard, and it's brittle. Make it too soft, then it's too dull. The minute balance of the steel hardness through chemical processes is crucial to the end product.

Most people don't understand that like manufacturing steel, tiny changes in graphites' manufacturing process could end up with very different products. And different companies have their own secret manufacturing processes that are being perfected through years of research. Best way to explain to people is through flashy marketing campaign like Wilson's k factor and Head's liquid metal as most of you reading this simply has no idea how complicated the process of manufacturing graphites and rackets are. So instead of explain in detail and exposing their trade secrets, companies use flash names to let layman like us briefly know somethings were done to improve the rackets.

So are the racket techs gimmicks? Usually techs that are really easy for consumers to see such as flexipoints and aerogels are gimmicks, as they are really easy to change for consumers to see the differences. But these radical changes are usually temporary selling points as these manufactures soon revert or jump to another gimmicky design. The real racket techs that fundamentally change the molecular structures and consistency of the rackets.

when you say "change the molecular structure" Wilson's BLX could be an example of this right?
 

EKnee08

Professional
Lately everything about tennis rackets seems, to me at least, to be all for marketing purposes. From the pros' equipment to the advertising to the technologies, it seems to be kind of fake. I was wondering if other people felt the same way. In specific, about whether you think all the new "technologies" are just gimmicks for attention, or if they really improve the game.

Thanks in advance,
doc

If it ain't broke, why fix it-because its all about marketing. The following original post in pros equipment forum regarding James Blake down to 3 racquets says it all and great thread/post:


OrangeOne
Hall Of Fame


Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 4,979 James Blake has THREE racquets left!

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...so why do you need 10?

Read this in another thread. Amazing. Figured it's worth a thread of it's own.

http://www.bnpparibasopen.org/News/T...rst-Round.aspx


Quote:
Q. Kind of a tough situation if I have it right with your racquets. What's up? What's happening?
JAMES BLAKE: Oh, man. I don't know. I don't even it would be too long of a story to get into. My racquets feel great right now. I don't have that many of them left, so I'm hoping that I can find a way to get more of them and find someone that can make a racquet exactly the way I like it.
It seems like I think it's just the modernization of the game that the racquets that are being made now don't feel the same as the ones when I started on tour. When I started, I think it was different materials. Using different materials, to me, feels a little more hollow, tinny. I guess the materials that are used are lighter and more powerful. For me it just doesn't it doesn't have the same feel. I never thought I was picky about racquets until I went through this situation where I'm trying to find one that's just like mine, and no one has been able to do it.
I'm really looking forward to putting this behind me and hopefully someone being able to make a racquet that I can use. We'll see if that happens soon.
Q. Do you treat your racquets sort of like a Stradivarius?
JAMES BLAKE: Yes, I do. They get treated very well nowadays. I don't want any of them breaking. You won't see me throwing racquets. I might hit a ball, I might yell and scream, but I'm not going to be throwing racquets. It will be a weird feeling, because I haven't done that for a long time, to be able to have a bad practice and actually smash a racquet, because I haven't done that in years.



Q. They just can't find the right materials?
JAMES BLAKE: Um, yeah, I think that's what it is. You know, I'm I just go by what it feels like, and, you know, all the racquet technicians and the people at Dunlop and any other companies, they tell me what their opinions are and everything. They've got this material in it and this stiffness and this swing weight and this and that, and, you know, all I go by is what it feels like.
I put in it in my hand, and if it doesn't feel good and I don't feel like I can compete with it, then that's all I go by. In my gut it feels like it's the material. They can make it the same weight, same balance, the same mold, the same everything. But if it doesn't feel the same, I only my only possibility in my head is that it's the material.

Q. How many do you have? How many racquets do you have left?
JAMES BLAKE: Not enough. I got three.


Q. Really?
JAMES BLAKE: Yep.


Q. You need to take a different racquet on the side, so if you want to smash it you can walk over...
JAMES BLAKE: I'd feel a little silly to do that. I'll leave that to the juniors. I used to do that when I was about 14, 15 years old.

Q. When you say it doesn't feel right, what is it that doesn't feel right?
JAMES BLAKE: I think the new material feels hollow, like tinny, and so it doesn't it's hard to describe. That's another problem is because I have a tough time articulating exactly what it is.
But the ball, it feels like it jumps off, and then it still it still doesn't fly out. Like some of the ones that have a lot of power, when I hit it solid, with my racquet I feel like I hit it solid and it's going to drop down in the court, with the new material I feel like it goes a little further out and goes flying out.
It's a material that to me it feels like it still jumps off. I don't have to create all my own pace, but it still dips down and has that spin that adds to it. I'm sure it's a tough combination for a company to make, and I'm finding that it's really, really tough for them to make.

Q. Where does the string fit into this?
JAMES BLAKE: The string, I've been using Luxilon since 2002 probably, and that's to me, it doesn't get any better than that.
Until someone puts a string in my hand that convinces me hands down it's better... Because I still remember the first day I used Luxilon. I put it on my racquet and I said, I'm switching. There was no doubt about it. It's so much better, and it feels it just feels so good.
Because you can swing hard and it and the ball, just it grabs. The string grabs it. And I've said it before. I think that's been the biggest change in the game in the last 15, 20 years. The reason for sort of the death of the serve and volleyers is you're absolutely able to rip those returns with this string and you're able to put it down at people's feet so much easier. You're able to control the ball with power better than you can with, in my opinion, any other string.
So until someone can show me something that feels better than that, I don't see myself changing string.

Quote:
Q. Back to the racquet for one second. Barring a fit of destructive anger, do they have a life? I mean, do you find after a certain period of time they get a little dead or...
JAMES BLAKE: Yeah, well, they do start deadening, which is another issue, because I've been playing with these for so long that they've changed from when I first used them. So that's another issue where they have to try to make them as if they've been broken in, and so that's tough.
But they eventually their life span probably isn't that much longer, because more than just deadening, they actually break without me doing anything outside of normal play.


Q. They crack?
JAMES BLAKE: The last one that I had that broke was last year in Paris, and that was a bad day. I was just warming up and hitting returns, and I took a swing at a forehand and it hit the top of the frame and the throat just cracked. I wasn't too happy about that. It was a bad day.


Q. You travel around the circuit with three racquets?
JAMES BLAKE: Yep.

Q. Did you play Memphis with them or a different frame?
JAMES BLAKE: I played Memphis. That was the first tournament this year I played with them.

Q. You played Australia with a different frame?
JAMES BLAKE: Yeah.


Q. Was the brand W?
JAMES BLAKE: Ah, it was a different racquet.

Q. You're carrying more racquets than the three, right? You're carrying something you don't care for?
JAMES BLAKE: Yeah, I'm carrying some backups just in case. But, you know, I plan on using those three.
 

cknobman

Legend
great post blx ;)
i have found that the O-Ports make the racket LESS aerodynamic, especially when serving. Think about it, more surface area, more air resistance... just try it and you'll see that not only is the aerodynamic-ness a gimmick, but the opposite is actually true.
and I thought I invented the (K)rap joke ;)

I think your being overly critical. And your assessment on the O-Ports is dead wrong. There is not more surface area and the racquets do move through the air quicker most notably on serve. Also the O-port tech touted other benefits besides aerodynamics like increased sweet spot, power, and spin due to increased string movement because of the lack of gromments. This is all true.

For the record check my sig I dont use prince but I used to when I needed more help from the racquet to generate power and spin.
 
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JT Corona

Semi-Pro
Thanks for sharing that J.Blake article, it is an interesting subject. I can relate to this "hollow, tinny feel" of many of today's racquets.
 
when you say "change the molecular structure" Wilson's BLX could be an example of this right?

I can't tell you for sure as those r wilsons secrets. but I'm sure that behind a production tech like blx, there r many techs that didn't come through during research. and I can Wilson rackets I have like n90 r insanely durable after years of torture.
 
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