Racquet advice

HuusHould

Professional
I currently use the Head Extreme grapheme pro, from a couple of years ago
HS- 100square in,
weight 315g,
balance 310mm/ 1 and 1/3 IN headlight
beam 24/26/23 mm
Length 685mm
string pattern 16/19
rec string tension 22-26kgs (48-57lbs)

I used to use I think it was the model before that, with exactly the same specifications except;
weight 300g (15g lighter)
balance 320mm/1IN headlight (1/3 of an IN less)
rec string tension 52-62lbs (+4/+5lbs)

I find the earlier model significantly better for volleys and probably better for serving as well. Can anyone tell me why the older model is actually lighter, but it feels like I have a lot more weight behind the ball when I hit my volleys. I would've sworn the newer model was lighter if it wasn't written on it!

Also given I play a lot of doubles, I was after a new racquet with the same specs. Does anyone know if you can search for racquets by specifications. I saw something on TW, but I don't know the swing weight and a few other details, where might I be able to find these details? Would I be better off customising the racquet I have with lead tape. Any recommendations on where I could apply tape to make the newer model more like the old one. I don't understand a lot of the jargon haha Anyway any thoughts or ideas on any of these topics are appreciated. Cheers.
 
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beltsman

Legend
I currently use the Head Extreme grapheme pro, from a couple of years ago
HS- 100square in,
weight 315g,
balance 310mm/ 1 and 1/3 IN headlight
beam 24/26/23 mm
Length 685mm
string pattern 16/19
rec string tension 22-26kgs (48-57lbs)

I used to use I think it was the model before that, with exactly the same specifications except;
weight 300g (15g lighter)
balance 320mm/1IN headlight (1/3 of an IN less)
rec string tension 52-62lbs (+4/+5lbs)

I find the earlier model significantly better for volleys and probably better for serving as well. Can anyone tell me why the older model is actually lighter, but it feels like I have a lot more weight behind the ball when I hit my volleys. I would've sworn the newer model was lighter if it wasn't written on it!

Also given I play a lot of doubles, I was after a new racquet with the same specs. Does anyone know if you can search for racquets by specifications. I saw something on TW, but I don't know the swing weight and a few other details, where might I be able to find these details? Would I be better off customising the racquet I have with lead tape. Any recommendations on where I could apply tape to make the newer model more like the old one. I don't understand a lot of the jargon haha Anyway any thoughts or ideas on any of these topics are appreciated. Cheers.
Swingweight. Racquet can be lighter but swing heavier. Twistweight to an extent too.

Lead at 12 o clock gives maximum SW addition. Counterbalance in at bottom of handle to maintain balance. Lead at 3/9 offers some increased SW but also enhanced twistweight. Both will slow the racquet down, assuming force input is the same.

Also try the Graphene XT Extreme Pro, it's a really great racquet. Supposedly way better than the Graphene.

It's sort of hard to measure SAW but you can Google the method. Or you can look up the SW of the model, but that won't be exact. Once you find the true initial SW you can use formulas to calculate the effects of different weights. I have a spreadsheet I can send you if you're interested.
 

CopolyX

Hall of Fame
Don't be blinded by specs.
As these alleged newer & hyped better models evolve they usually with adjust the specs for more hyper power.
Increasing areas like twist weight, swing weight and stiffness.
This does not mean a better racquet or better the later model.
The true test is really only in your hands.
Specs are specs, use it a guide. But also you can be surprised by some frame that falls out side your specs.
Don't limit yourself.
Make a small list of four.
TW will send 4 to demo for 20 bucks..
Honestly if you do it right, the frame will pick you...

I have too many players buy a frame based on specs and later find out:
They have to adapt to use it. And they just keep using it. Messes up there timing and could provoke and injury.
They start monking with customization and actually create more harm that good.
Does feel right, they have to dump it.

Patients and demo-ing is the best path.
 

HuusHould

Professional
Swingweight. Racquet can be lighter but swing heavier. Twistweight to an extent too.
Yeah it has to have something to do with variables such as these. My understanding though is that newer models of racquets are more head heavy, which would increase the swing weight due to the weight being further from where you hold the racquet? My guess would be that it might be more to do with twist weight as I feel with the newer model you have to be in perfect position and hit the ball right in the middle of the racquet in order to hit an effective volley.

Lead at 12 o clock gives maximum SW addition. Counterbalance in at bottom of handle to maintain balance. Lead at 3/9 offers some increased SW but also enhanced twistweight. Both will slow the racquet down, assuming force input is the same.
I think it might be worth trying the 3/9 option. If you put weight at 12 and in the handle I guess it's just a matter of marking the balance point before you do it and balancing the racquet on your finger to see if the balance is the same and applying/removing lead tape appropriately to adjust?

Also try the Graphene XT Extreme Pro, it's a really great racquet. Supposedly way better than the Graphene.
Yeah, this could be a potential solution,as it has more overall weight. It would be easier than having to customise my current racquet, although more expensive!

It's sort of hard to measure SAW but you can Google the method. Or you can look up the SW of the model, but that won't be exact. Once you find the true initial SW you can use formulas to calculate the effects of different weights. I have a spreadsheet I can send you if you're interested.
Definitely, would be interested to at least look at the formulas. Should I PM you my email address or can you send it to me on here!? I'll have to try to dig up the initial swing weight of the model in question.

Don't be blinded by specs.
As these alleged newer & hyped better models evolve they usually with adjust the specs for more hyper power.
Increasing areas like twist weight, swing weight and stiffness.
This does not mean a better racquet or better the later model.
The true test is really only in your hands.
Specs are specs, use it a guide. But also you can be surprised by some frame that falls out side your specs.
Don't limit yourself.
Make a small list of four.
TW will send 4 to demo for 20 bucks..
Honestly if you do it right, the frame will pick you...

I have too many players buy a frame based on specs and later find out:
They have to adapt to use it. And they just keep using it. Messes up there timing and could provoke and injury.
They start monking with customization and actually create more harm that good.
Does feel right, they have to dump it.

Patients and demo-ing is the best path.
Yeah I think you're definitely right. I've been told two racquets have the same specs, but they have been completely different racquets imo. Certainly patience is required in finding the right racquet and sometimes a bit of experimentation and more losing than otherwise would've been the case! I'll have to see if TW Australia has a similar offer regarding the demo racquets.
 

beltsman

Legend
Yeah it has to have something to do with variables such as these. My understanding though is that newer models of racquets are more head heavy, which would increase the swing weight due to the weight being further from where you hold the racquet? My guess would be that it might be more to do with twist weight as I feel with the newer model you have to be in perfect position and hit the ball right in the middle of the racquet in order to hit an effective volley.



I think it might be worth trying the 3/9 option. If you put weight at 12 and in the handle I guess it's just a matter of marking the balance point before you do it and balancing the racquet on your finger to see if the balance is the same and applying/removing lead tape appropriately to adjust?



Yeah, this could be a potential solution,as it has more overall weight. It would be easier than having to customise my current racquet, although more expensive!



Definitely, would be interested to at least look at the formulas. Should I PM you my email address or can you send it to me on here!? I'll have to try to dig up the initial swing weight of the model in question.



Yeah I think you're definitely right. I've been told two racquets have the same specs, but they have been completely different racquets imo. Certainly patience is required in finding the right racquet and sometimes a bit of experimentation and more losing than otherwise would've been the case! I'll have to see if TW Australia has a similar offer regarding the demo racquets.
PM me your email and I'll send it there.
 
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