Racquet really far away from body when in the forehand unit turn position
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Curious
G.O.A.T.
I’m sure you’re smart enough to know it’s a power leak the more in front of the hip your hand is but I know you enjoy discussing!Power leak - no, but more suitable for flattish hitting:
Dragy
Legend
@Curious that is actually one element different between ATP forehand and WTA forehand: 00s and 10s style ladies use the slot behind the body “laterally” as you call it, while post-Agassi male players, Fed/Nadal style, etc. have that key point on the hitting side of the body.
Major power injection happens roughly from this moment, hence you don’t mandatorily put your hand behind yourself in prep:
Major power injection happens roughly from this moment, hence you don’t mandatorily put your hand behind yourself in prep:
user92626
G.O.A.T.
Good stuff, bud. I was having fun but I know what you mean.
Are you back to playing at normal rate?
Dragy
Legend
There is a lock-in spot. And for Federer it’s around here, everything before is “finding the slot”:I’m sure you’re smart enough to know it’s a power leak the more in front of the hip your hand is but I know you enjoy discussing!
Curious
G.O.A.T.
Magic of the ATP forehand comes from having the racket on the hitting side, not the hand! Because that’s the only way you can flip the racket.@Curious that is actually one element different between ATP forehand and WTA forehand: 00s and 10s style ladies use the slot behind the body “laterally” as you call it, while post-Agassi male players, Fed/Nadal style, etc. have that key point on the hitting side of the body.
Major power injection happens roughly from this moment, hence you don’t mandatorily put your hand behind yourself in prep:
If the hand is in front of the hips line it’s a power leak. In all those pictures and the others, the hand is aligned with the hips line, not in front.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
Starting today and feeling very well.
Better_Call_Raul
Hall of Fame
Yes, this was discussed in the Coach Grant V. video you linked. Grant said he was "tapping the dog" just like Macci wants but hitting hand was not aligned with the hips.
Hirring hand was in front of the hips line. Grant then made the change on his new forehand.
To clarify, in both cases, Grant was tapping at 5:30 (like Macci wants). Correct?
The hitting hand to hip line position (whether it be front of hip or aligned with hip) does not change the clock position?
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Curious
G.O.A.T.
I think the racket can point anywhere between 4 to 6 o’clock. Beyond that you lose the ability to flip the racket.
Better_Call_Raul
Hall of Fame
Yes, I know there is leeway. Macci says 5:00 to ~ 5:30. Or whatever.
Let's say you pick a clock position. Let's say 5:00.
And you Tap The Dog at 5:00. But hitting hand is in front of the hip line (incorrect)
You then adjust the hitting hand to be aligned with the hip line (correct). That adjustment, per se, will not change the clock position. Correct?
I get confused on how the hand-to-hip position adjustment will affect the clock position of the dog you are tapping.
I think it is possible to adjust the hand correctly and align with the hips, and yet still be tapping the dog at 5:00 just as you were before with the wrong hand-to-hip position.
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Curious
G.O.A.T.
Yes, clock position is confusing. What if the hips rotate all the way to 7 o’clock position? I think hand on the hips line and racket in front of that (whatever angle) is good. We don’t need a clock.
ballmachineguy
Hall of Fame
I wish I was funny enough to author a post like this.
Dragy
Legend
So you accuse Del Potro and Rublev for power leakage? Seems questionable.
Don’t miss the important part for the visuals and styles. It is important to have arm aligned as you say, but only from the point it’s locked in with elbow down. Before that moment there’s no strong link. Hence “power leak” idea is not relevant at that moment, and there are enough players who are more compact early, but lock-in at proper moment to achieve good slot, lag and explosive acceleration when it matters.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
Both Del Potro and Rublev drop the hand to align with the hips line.
Dragy
Legend
Yes, sure, no argue here. I actually participate in this because I’ve been for many years now defending the importance of arm getting properly configured against shoulders (rather than hips actually, but they are quite strongly connected for normal person…).
I’m just not bold enough to say Del Po or Rublev or Rune have power leaks. And to relate it to the fact that they don’t hide the hand behind the hip initially.
By the moment uncoil accelerates to peak all good forehands will have elbow down, shoulder locked from falling back behind via ESR, arm+hand in line with uncoiling torso, not pushed in front.
For example, in classic WTA technique they laid arm back into ESR earlier in prep, towards the back fence, compared to dynamic entrance we see in ATP/modern FH.
Some older school drives used less rapid torso uncoil and pushed arm more forward earlier, muscling the shoulder link. That was power leak (or power blockage maybe, not allowing to use uncoil to full potential).
Curious
G.O.A.T.
Do it the more effective way. Have the hand in line with the hips when the explosive forward swing starts.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
I always carry at least two rackets in my bag to avoid that power leak.
Dragy
Legend
Yeah, agree, from around here, where “slot is entered” and racquet is “swiveled” to buttcup-forward position: