Racquet specs - listed and real

Zverev

Professional
My two last purchases at TW:

Yonex MP Tour 5
Strung weight listed at TW - 11.2 (318g)
The one arrived strung with 17g string - 11.9 (337g)

Head Classic Tour
Strung weight listed at TW - 12.1 (343g)
The one arrived strung with 17g string - 12.5 (354g)

How this is possible with modern technology?
Why can't they keep it up to specs?
0.4 or 0.7 affect playability a lot.

I think TW should get its fair share of blame too.
How hard is it to get the racquet on the scale before you post it?
Unless of course you just want to push some out of specs craap Down Under hoping it will never come back as the postage alone costs over $30.

Very very disappointing....I think I am done buying racquets online.
 
If you want control of your setup .... get some lead tape.
You will rarely/never play a frame right from stock again.
 
i don't think it's TWs fault. There are certain tolerances that manufacturers hold, but in some cases...it's way different than the claimed specs. in one particular case, i bought one TF325 and traded for another one. both of thme were same grip size, strung w/ the same string, had the same dampener, AND were unmodified. however, when balanced, one was way head heavier than the other (couple inches). i find this intolerable, and yes, w/ the technology they have today, companies should not be thinking about maximizing profits, but actually pay more attention to the quality of their products.
 
paulfreda said:
If you want control of your setup .... get some lead tape.
You will rarely/never play a frame right from stock again.
If you read the post again you will see that the racquets are already up to 0.7 over the listed weight. And the key word here is OVER. Not UNDER.
So unless you can suggest the place where I can get "negative gravity material" tape......I am stuck with overweight racquets.
 
snoflewis said:
i don't think it's TWs fault. .....i find this intolerable, and yes, w/ the technology they have today, companies should not be thinking about maximizing profits, but actually pay more attention to the quality of their products.
I think TW still bears a bit of blame, because....how hard is it to put racquet on the scale to check it complies with tolerances before you send it?

As regarding racquet manufacturers...it's total lack of respect for us -customers.
 
are you stupid or something? Even if t-w did check the weight, what would they do. T-w IS THE MIDDLE MAN. They cant shop racquets back to the company if they released it to thier q/c specs. T-W cant do anything, unless a whole batch(shipment) is whacked. If you have no cle, and wanna rant dont do it here
 
Zverev said:
I think TW still bears a bit of blame, because....how hard is it to put racquet on the scale to check it complies with tolerances before you send it?

look, i think what snoflewis is saying is that TW could measure the weight of the racket they get (ONE from the shipment from the company), and they get say 10.3 oz. but then, some of the rackets made by the company we're not made properly (so some of them may weigh more, ex. 10.5 oz, etc.). i dont believe its TW's fault either. its the stupid companies being cheap :rolleyes:
 
Final_Match_Point said:
are you stupid or something? Even if t-w did check the weight, what would they do. T-w IS THE MIDDLE MAN. They cant shop racquets back to the company if they released it to thier q/c specs. T-W cant do anything, unless a whole batch(shipment) is whacked. If you have no cle, and wanna rant dont do it here
Hush! Don't tell me what to do.
Also, I didn't invite asssoles to reply.
 
tennis_nerd22 said:
look, i think what snoflewis is saying is that TW could measure the weight of the racket they get (ONE from the shipment from the company), and they get say 10.3 oz. but then, some of the rackets made by the company we're not made properly (so some of them may weigh more, ex. 10.5 oz, etc.). i dont believe its TW's fault either. its the stupid companies being cheap :rolleyes:
I am not saying it's totally TW's fault, but, hey, they got my money, right?
The end story is like that - I am short of couple of hunderds of bucks and I still didn't get the stuff I wanted.
Of course, one can go about how the world is unfair place and the racket manufacturers are greedy bastarrrds and the transnationals are bloodsuckers and so on. But what's the point?
 
Insults, foul language and tennis ??

Zverev said:
If you read the post again you will see that the racquets are already up to 0.7 over the listed weight. And the key word here is OVER. Not UNDER.
So unless you can suggest the place where I can get "negative gravity material" tape......I am stuck with overweight racquets.

I do not appreciate your sarcasm or your foul language .....

And if you preface my comment with "In the future, ..."

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If you want control of your setup .... get some lead tape.
You will rarely/never play a frame right from stock again.
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your misunderstanding of the tense and intent of my reply
will become clear to you.

Good Day Now ....
 
tennis_nerd22 said:
look, i think what snoflewis is saying is that TW could measure the weight of the racket they get (ONE from the shipment from the company), and they get say 10.3 oz. but then, some of the rackets made by the company we're not made properly (so some of them may weigh more, ex. 10.5 oz, etc.). i dont believe its TW's fault either. its the stupid companies being cheap :rolleyes:

i didnt say anything about TW measuring things.

im gonna add that TW cant really do much...they get the stuff and then they sell it. At least they're willing to actually take specs on individual rackets and send people the closest ones (those who request it). So my take is that, it's gonna happen everywhere, whether it's a proshop or an online retailer. So stop complaining, get a scale and some leadtape, and learn to customize yourself. TW evne spent the time to write articles on how to customize.
 
Im being an assho le how? Your flaming t-w On thier own forums. Even if you went to a proshop, you'd be hard pressed to find racquets that meet the listed specs. Hundreds of THOUSANDS of racquets get manufactured. THe bigger the batch the lower the qc. If you even paused to think about where t-w stands in all of this, you wouldnt have such a half assed rant about t-w about something that they CANT CONTROL
 
paulfreda said:
I do not appreciate your sarcasm or your foul language ..... ...Good Day Now ....
there was no foul language in my reply to you - I wouldn't do it if I wasn't offended first.
I have plenty of lead tape but it won't help if your racquet is already too heavy. Do you agree with it or I don't know something about lead tape?
 
snoflewis said:
... So stop complaining, get a scale and some leadtape, and learn to customize yourself. TW evne spent the time to write articles on how to customize.
Look, all my racquets are customised.
But it's not easy to make racquet lighter - considerably lighter, up to 0.7 oz lighter.
There would be no problem if the stick was too light. I would put some lead tape on and end of story. But it's too heavy already.
Which means that I have lost my money, twice recently - and you are telling me to stop complaining.
I am not complaining - I am giving my feedback and telling what happened.
I don't think it's very constructive approach - to shut people up.
At least I am trying to give suggestions how to improve things - you don't, instead you are trying to put me down ("learn to customise").
Geeez..no wonder you guys have problems with freedom of speech up there in the states - you just can't tolerate independant opinion anymore..
everyone HAS to be happy no matter what's happening - so disappointing..
 
Lakoste said:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=66927

TW says there that you can tell them the weight and balance you want and they'll try to get something as close as possible

so whose fault is it now?
Such information is not provided on the ordering Web pages,
so natuarally I wasn't aware.
Anyway, when I order, it goes without saying, that the racquet sent to me will be inside manufacturing tolerances. (as well as not damaged or broken)

But nevertheless, it's good constructive information. Thanks.
 
Final_Match_Point said:
Those are in the manufactureres tolerances. Call the company up and ask them yourself if you dont believe me. Wilson sometimes has racquets 1oz over
Look, why are pushing so hard that everything is fine?
Here is info from TW, that shows that my racquets are not inside manufacturing tolerances.

"Provided below are Industry Standard Specification Tolerances for Racquets. Weight: +/-10 grams from target
Balance: +/-10 mm = 3 to 4 points either way from target
Swingweight: +/-10 points from target
Racquet Stiffness: +/-3 from target "

Mine are +11 and +19 gramms over.

Basically, I think that Quality Assuarance is not very widespread in the racquet making industry. And that attitude of complacency you guys just showed is very much handy for them to keep doing so, and not changing their practices.
It's very regrettable as it might backfire at you as it did to me.
 
Zverev said:
Hush! Don't tell me what to do.
Also, I didn't invite asssoles to reply.

If you cant accept other people's opinions, then dont use a message board. While that person might have been a bit rude, but it does make sense. When TW starts manufacturing their own racquets, or when they start manufacturing other companies' racquets, they cannot control what they didnt make. They are a dealer, not a manufacturer. Racquet companies should honor their warranty, just call them and say the racquet is not up to spec. You got di*ked, no question there, but you should take your problem to the source... the manufacturers
 
Say Chi Sin Lo said:
If you cant accept other people's opinions, then dont use a message board.
"are you stupid or something?" - that was his opinion to which I have posted my reply.
Say Chi Sin Lo said:
When TW starts manufacturing their own racquets, or when they start manufacturing other companies' racquets, they cannot control what they didnt make. They are a dealer, not a manufacturer. Racquet companies should honor their warranty, just call them and say the racquet is not up to spec. You got di*ked, no question there, but you should take your problem to the source... the manufacturers
Hm...I am not so sure..
If you buy a car with major defect, you bring it back to the place you bought it from, no? To the dealer, not to the General Motors factory?
If you've bought a fridge, brought it home and it doesn't work, you take it back to the shop or to the factory in China?

Hello, hello..Is it planet Earth or it's a wrong number?
Sorry, didn't intend to disturb...
 
About MP Tour5: I think it's spec weight unstrung is 310g. So your racquets might be inside the manufacturer's specs. TW:s measurements are not the manufacturer's specs.
 
Zverev said:
Look, why are pushing so hard that everything is fine?
Here is info from TW, that shows that my racquets are not inside manufacturing tolerances.

"Provided below are Industry Standard Specification Tolerances for Racquets. Weight: +/-10 grams from target
Balance: +/-10 mm = 3 to 4 points either way from target
Swingweight: +/-10 points from target
Racquet Stiffness: +/-3 from target "

Mine are +11 and +19 gramms over.

Basically, I think that Quality Assuarance is not very widespread in the racquet making industry. And that attitude of complacency you guys just showed is very much handy for them to keep doing so, and not changing their practices.
It's very regrettable as it might backfire at you as it did to me.
WOW. This is getting a bit crazy, and though I wonder if I'm stepping onto a minefield, let me offer the following explanation:
(1) Yonex racquets in many cases vary in weight by grip size. I too own that frame - (3) of them to be exact. The larger grip sizes weigh considerably more. Did you order a 4 5/8?
(2) TW posts that their specs are an AVERAGE. Some manufacturers have tighter tolerances than others and will vary more. If you check other posts, you will notice that Yonex, Technifibre, and Head, for instance, tend to vary more than Volkl, which tends to be more true to spec. There's nothing we can do there - that's life - we just have to live with it.
As far as TW, when I bought my MP Tour-5s, I called them and they weighed several frames for me to find ones that were very close in weight, and closer to the target weight I wanted. They shipped me those, and charged nothing extra for the service. I'd say they are doing OK....
 
Could be the scale,as I sent out ( on a trade ) a fxp prestige weight close to 12oz, and the guy that bought it said it weighed 11.3 on his scale. The tennis shop scale cost the owner over $1,000. Some scales differ just like racquets.
 
I posted a question to TW whether they will weigh a T315 before shipping it (it is supposed to be 315 grams unstrung). Chris replied and said they will try to match as closely as possible from their inventory if you talk to them. I might be doing that soon.
 
bluegrasser said:
Could be the scale,as I sent out ( on a trade ) a fxp prestige weight close to 12oz, and the guy that bought it said it weighed 11.3 on his scale. The tennis shop scale cost the owner over $1,000. Some scales differ just like racquets.
You are clearly having a case of gravity flux. Try adding some of that negative gravity material lead tape mentioned here before. It might fix the problem if not create a gravity paradox instead. :mrgreen:
 
byealmeens said:
WOW. This is getting a bit crazy, and though I wonder if I'm stepping onto a minefield, let me offer the following explanation:
(1) Yonex racquets in many cases vary in weight by grip size. I too own that frame - (3) of them to be exact. The larger grip sizes weigh considerably more. Did you order a 4 5/8?
(2) TW posts that their specs are an AVERAGE. Some manufacturers have tighter tolerances than others and will vary more. If you check other posts, you will notice that Yonex, Technifibre, and Head, for instance, tend to vary more than Volkl, which tends to be more true to spec. There's nothing we can do there - that's life - we just have to live with it.
As far as TW, when I bought my MP Tour-5s, I called them and they weighed several frames for me to find ones that were very close in weight, and closer to the target weight I wanted. They shipped me those, and charged nothing extra for the service. I'd say they are doing OK....
Oh thanks for the first reasonable reply to the original post - no spikes, accusations or personal attacks.
I have ordered 4 3/8.
I understand that TW listings are in average. That's fine.
But that's ALL information I use when buying.
That's what they claim it to be, right?
And if any racquet is a ounce over the weight they list,
it shouldn't be posted to me. Simple as that.

Say, if a store owner has recieved milk from the factory and in one of the bottles he clearly sees dirty water instead of milk, he would still try to sell it?
And not to accept any complains? I would say he's a crook.

I am glad to see that TW provides matching services,
I just want to see them doing that by default.
I am using their Web page to order things- there is nothing at any stage of the ordering process which lets to communicate this kind of information to them.

Another tiny issue, as long I am already talking about it. I wanted crosses at slightly lesser tensions than mains, and I couldn't communicate even that, because if you order hybrid you can select different tensions, but if you order one string for mains and crosses there is only one tension choice.

It's funny to see that people are sort of defending TW from me.
It's funny because I vote for TW with my purse, I am buying a lot from TW.
Just from the top of my head, only during last 12 months - 2 or 3 racquets, tennis bag, 5 pairs of shoes, some apparel, grips, overgrips, lead tape and don't even remember how many strings, but lots. (I wonder how much my attackers spend here).
So obviously I want to continue my business, and want to see some improvements (not from bad to not so bad, but from very good to excellent),
otherwise I wouldn't give a shiit about anything.

Anyway, I am bailing out of this discussion satisfied.
Despite of all the personal attacks, I think, I have done something positive as I have raised the people's awareness of the issue (as sureshs' post indicates).
So it's been good.
Bye
 
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