Rafa held slams on all 3 surfaces TWICE

punterlad

Hall of Fame
Nadal only has 5 slams outside RG. Murray will probably end up with a better non-clay resume than Nadal. :cool::cool:

The fact is that Djokovic and Federer are better at 3/4 slams and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Murray ends up also being better at 3/4 slams. :D
Clueless post as per usual. Nadal has a better record than Djokovic at USO. 2-5 in finals is dreadful! Nadal is 2-1 which is a winning record in finals not losing! Lol.

Also Djokovic has a more lopsided record. He has only won 4 slams off hardcourt!!!!!!!! Doh!
 

punterlad

Hall of Fame
I think this is probably the most underrated achievement Rafa has had. He has held slams on all surfaces twice.

2008 French Open (clay)
2008 Wimbledon (grass)
2009 Australian Open (hard)

and

2010 French Open (clay)
2010 Wimbledon (grass)
2010 US Open (hard)

Has any other player achieved this?
Nadal the most complete player at his best only player who could beat his rivals at their best on their best surface
 

nadalfan2013

Professional
Nadal the most complete player at his best only player who could beat his rivals at their best on their best surface

Exactly. He had to earn it the hard way. He beat prime hardcourt GOAT Federer at the 2009 AO final, prime hardcourt GOAT Novak at the 2010 & 2013 USO finals and prime grass GOAT Federer at the 2008 WB final. I won't mention how he handled them on clay at the FO cause this is not a masochism forum. The fact that both Federer & Novak couldn't beat Rafa in a FO final after so many tries saids it all. Rafa beat the best on their best surfaces in slam finals during their prime, they couldn't. That's the definition of GOAT.
 

punterlad

Hall of Fame
Exactly. He had to earn it the hard way. He beat prime hardcourt GOAT Federer at the 2009 AO final, prime hardcourt GOAT Novak at the 2010 & 2013 USO finals and prime grass GOAT Federer at the 2008 WB final. I won't mention how he handled them on clay at the FO cause this is not a masochism forum.
Yep your post is just pure fact. Anybody trying to argue is a jealous bitter hater of nadal who can't handle the truth. I have loads of respect and admiration for federer and djokovic but the blunt fact is neither could beat peak nadal on clay despite numerous chances. Nadal beat both on hardcourt multiple times at the majors. And Wimbledon 2008....rafas greatest moment!
 

cockneyDjoker

Hall of Fame
Clueless post as per usual. Nadal has a better record than Djokovic at USO. 2-5 in finals is dreadful! Nadal is 2-1 which is a winning record in finals not losing! Lol.

Also Djokovic has a more lopsided record. He has only won 4 slams off hardcourt!!!!!!!! Doh!
Djokovic doesn't lose to mugs at USO like Pouille and Fognini :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Djokovic>>>>>>>>Nadal at USO :):):)

Djokovic has a better record at 3/4 slams. That's a fact so get used to it. :cool::cool::cool:
 

cockneyDjoker

Hall of Fame
Yeah so a player who has

1 RG
11 AO
11 WB
10 USO + extra finals

33 slams total

Is greater than a player who has

550 RG
10 AO
10 WB
10 USO

580 slams total

What a stupid logic :rolleyes:
Djokovic will go down as a greater player because he was better than Nadal on 2/3 surfaces and 3/4 slams. The difference overall in slams is only 2 which Djokovic will close next year. :D:D
 

Phoenix1983

G.O.A.T.
Yeah so a player who has

1 RG
11 AO
11 WB
10 USO + extra finals

33 slams total

Is greater than a player who has

550 RG
10 AO
10 WB
10 USO

580 slams total

What a stupid logic :rolleyes:

The oldest human being in history lived to 122.

I would say that it's your post which is illogical.
 

Rafa the King

Hall of Fame
I have them as three of the top six. Laver, Sampras and Gonzales are also up there.

@punterlad imo, Borg and Sampras should be there too. I'd have Rafa, Roger and Borg in the Top 3 (in any order would do) and then Pete and Nole in the Top 5. I can't judge before then because I simply haven't seen enough, although most in my tennis-crazed family say that Laver is GOAT.
 

punterlad

Hall of Fame
@punterlad imo, Borg and Sampras should be there too. I'd have Rafa, Roger and Borg in the Top 3 (in any order would do) and then Pete and Nole in the Top 5. I can't judge before then because I simply haven't seen enough, although most in my tennis-crazed family say that Laver is GOAT.
Laver played in an era when the game was walking pace so he can't be compared to open era standards
 
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Deleted member 512391

Guest
This is indeed an amazon record. Not even a legendary and more versatile player like Federer has done it twice, which just proves how Nadal's versatility is underrated, even if you include his indoors record (twice time finalist at WTF confirms it).

I never bought that theory that Nadal was a clay court specialist, not even in 2005. In 2005, he did more on hard courts that Pete on clay during his whole career - two Masters (losing Miami final to Federer at his peak). Since 2006, he started to reach Wimbledon finals regularly, in 2007 he also won another Masters on HC etc..
He was simply insanely dominant on clay, so his results on other surfaces were overshadowed by his clay success in some way. Also, people had been comparing him constantly with Federer, who has been superior player on all surfaces bar clay, but Nadal's results (out of clay) are impressive compared to basically any other all time great.
 

punterlad

Hall of Fame
Djokovic will go down as a greater player because he was better than Nadal on 2/3 surfaces and 3/4 slams. The difference overall in slams is only 2 which Djokovic will close next year. :D:D
Erm nadal beat Djokovic multiple times on Djokovic best surface Djokovic never got one win over peak nadal on clay over five sets.

Djokovic a hard court specialist . Nadal an all court specialist . Nadal has won at least two majors on each of the three surfaces nobody else managed that. End of debate.
 

cockneyDjoker

Hall of Fame
You would think Djokovic fans would hide when it comes to the USO. A 2-5 record in finals is not something I'd be shouting from the rooftops about!
Neither is getting beat by titans like Pouille and Fognini. :p:p

Djokovic and Nadal both have 2 Us opens. So the logical way to decide it is by counting no of finals and that is 7-3 Djokovic.:eek::eek:

Sorry to tell you that mate :D:D:D
 

punterlad

Hall of Fame
Neither is getting beat by titans like Pouille and Fognini. :p:p

Djokovic and Nadal both have 2 Us opens. So the logical way to decide it is by counting no of finals and that is 7-3 Djokovic.:eek::eek:

Sorry to tell you that mate :D:D:D
Erm the measure of greatness is not who bottled it the most!! Chokervic wins that title hands down sweetheart
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
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cockneyDjoker

Hall of Fame
But Djokovic own coach says nadal has second best USO record of active players after federer!!!! Now that would appear to end your confusion sunshine!
How can he have the second best USO record?? Are you on drugs :eek::eek:

Federer Djokovic Connors McEnroe Lendl McEnroe Sampras just to name a few have a far better record than Nadal :cool::cool::cool:

Do you know your tennis history???. If you don't it's ok. The c**k will teach you and take you under his wing :):):)
 

Tennease

Legend
It's useless to win slams twice on all 3 surfaces yet he never win WTF. This only means that he is an incomplete player who never win the biggest title in Indoor Tennis. All of his top 2 rivals have won it and he hasn't. One big hole in his career.

A number one ranked tennis player is expected to win a Year End Championship title. He never win YEC as a number one tennis player. That's embarrassing.
 

Rafa the King

Hall of Fame
It's useless to win slams twice on all 3 surfaces yet he never win WTF. This only means that he is an incomplete player who never win the biggest title in Indoor Tennis. All of his top 2 rivals have won it and he hasn't. One big hole in his career.

It's more useful than winning a WTF. Sure it's a big hole, but all players have those. To be the only one to have held slams on all surfaces twice and be one of the three to ever have done it shows that he has been able to do something incredibly difficult no one has managed in tennis, in the last 40 or so years.

Please stop the hating now, we get it, you don't like him. He hurt your feelings.
 

Jackuar

Hall of Fame
I think this is probably the most underrated achievement Rafa has had. He has held slams on all surfaces twice.

2008 French Open (clay)
2008 Wimbledon (grass)
2009 Australian Open (hard)

and

2010 French Open (clay)
2010 Wimbledon (grass)
2010 US Open (hard)

Has any other player achieved this?

For the record, Federer has achieved the same. But obviously, it slips your attention very comfortably. Agreed, not twice.

2008 USO (Hard)
2009 FO (Clay)
2009 Wimbly (Grass)

Edit: Seen after this post that you've acknowledged it in your later replies. So, yeah, Rafa did it twice, Fed and Novak once. Agreed.
 

S'in-net

Semi-Pro
It's more useful than winning a WTF. Sure it's a big hole, but all players have those. To be the only one to have held slams on all surfaces twice and be one of the three to ever have done it shows that he has been able to do something incredibly difficult no one has managed in tennis, in the last 40 or so years.

Now you are watering down people :

Here's the SIX people that have done it (inc any combination of three that you watered down) :

1) Connors
2) Wilander
3) Agassi
4) Nadal
5) Federer
6) Djokovic

Of those only Djokovic did the NCYGS (on three different surfaces), joining Laver and Budge, who did CYGS (on two different surfaces)
But that's not to say people who didn't do CYGS or NCYGS on three different surfaces have gaping holes in the resume because otherwize everyone has gaping holes in the resume outside of Djokovic

Yes Nadal has done something incredibly difficult no one has managed in tennis, EVER in the history, by winning slams on three different surfaces, twice
Yes Djokovic has done something incredibly difficult no one has managed in tennis, EVER in the history, by doing the NCYGS, on three different surfaces

To make Djokovic look like he has a hole in his resume someone will have to do the CYGS on three different surfaces
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
Now you are watering down people :

Here's the SIX people that have done it (inc any combination of three that you watered down) :

1) Connors
2) Wilander
3) Agassi
4) Nadal
5) Federer
6) Djokovic

Of those only Djokovic did the NCYGS (on three different surfaces), joining Laver and Budge, who did CYGS (on two different surfaces)
But that's not to say people who didn't do CYGS or NCYGS on three different surfaces have gaping holes in the resume because otherwize everyone has gaping holes in the resume outside of Djokovic

Yes Nadal has done something incredibly difficult no one has managed in tennis, EVER in the history, by winning slams on three different surfaces, twice
Yes Djokovic has done something incredibly difficult no one has managed in tennis, EVER in the history, by doing the NCYGS, on three different surfaces

To make Djokovic look like he has a hole in his resume someone will have to do the CYGS on three different surfaces

Jimmy Connors hasn't held slams on all surfaces:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Connors

Mats Wilander hasn't held slams on all surfaces:
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mats_Wilander

Andre Agassi hasn't held slams on all surfaces:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andre_Agassi
 
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Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
Are you thick or just delusional? U can't be English!

Sampras, mcenroe, connors and Lendl are not active players u utter fool!

As for Djokovic fact is he had three bites at nadal in finals on his best surface at USO...lost twice! 2-1 nadal end of debate. Djokovic only won a second USO after nadal and federer faded!

Nadal by far the better player at USO..by far.
Might as well say no player that won a USO before Fedal came along was a worthy winner seeing as he didn't have to go through either guy to earn his title. Just doesn't make sense at all.
 

Tenisfan3

Professional
I think this is probably the most underrated achievement Rafa has had. He has held slams on all surfaces twice.

2008 French Open (clay)
2008 Wimbledon (grass)
2009 Australian Open (hard)

and

2010 French Open (clay)
2010 Wimbledon (grass)
2010 US Open (hard)

Has any other player achieved this?
He never won the NOLE SLAM. He never won WTF. He doesn't have the Masters record. He doesn't have a winning record vs Federer on grass. He is not undefeated vs Federer in Wimbledon finals. He doesn't have the Federer slam(beating him at all slams). He doesn't have the Nole Slam either. Djokovic has beaten both at every slam. Djokovic is GOAT?
 

nadalfan2013

Professional
He never won the NOLE SLAM. He never won WTF. He doesn't have the Masters record. He doesn't have a winning record vs Federer on grass. He is not undefeated vs Federer in Wimbledon finals. He doesn't have the Federer slam(beating him at all slams). He doesn't have the Nole Slam either. Djokovic has beaten both at every slam. Djokovic is GOAT?

Holding slams on all 3 surfaces TWICE > Nole weak era slam

GOLD OLYMPICS MEDAL > Wtf

9-2 vs Federer > 9-6 vs Federer

Rafole: 9 slam wins > 4 slam wins

14 slams > 12 slams

Winning 2 slams on each surface > Winning 1 slam on each surface

Etc. Etc. Etc. :rolleyes:
 

Tenisfan3

Professional
Holding slams on all 3 surfaces TWICE > Nole weak era slam

GOLD OLYMPICS MEDAL > Wtf

9-2 vs Federer > 9-6 vs Federer

Rafole: 9 slam wins > 4 slam wins

14 slams > 12 slams

Winning 2 slams on each surface > Winning 1 slam on each surface

Etc. Etc. Etc. :rolleyes:
Novak 26-23 vs Rafa. #womanbye
 

Rafa the King

Hall of Fame
Now you are watering down people :

Here's the SIX people that have done it (inc any combination of three that you watered down) :

1) Connors
2) Wilander
3) Agassi
4) Nadal
5) Federer
6) Djokovic

Of those only Djokovic did the NCYGS (on three different surfaces), joining Laver and Budge, who did CYGS (on two different surfaces)
But that's not to say people who didn't do CYGS or NCYGS on three different surfaces have gaping holes in the resume because otherwize everyone has gaping holes in the resume outside of Djokovic

Yes Nadal has done something incredibly difficult no one has managed in tennis, EVER in the history, by winning slams on three different surfaces, twice
Yes Djokovic has done something incredibly difficult no one has managed in tennis, EVER in the history, by doing the NCYGS, on three different surfaces

To make Djokovic look like he has a hole in his resume someone will have to do the CYGS on three different surfaces

I said held, not won
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
This is impressive but mostly shows the perks and pitfalls of being/facing a surface GOAT in his prime/peak ;)
 

punterlad

Hall of Fame
Might as well say no player that won a USO before Fedal came along was a worthy winner seeing as he didn't have to go through either guy to earn his title. Just doesn't make sense at all.
TBH though your point doesn't fit here as it's a very very narrow argument brought up by some of the more one eyed Djokovic fans.

Personally I think it's a stupid debate over who had a better record at an event where both have same number of victories!! But as some people insist on trying to argue two is more than two then the globes are off so to speak!

The problem with people like that cockney bloke or girl is that when at Wimbledon nadal and Djokovic were two wins apiece some federer and Djokovic fans were saying Djokovic had the better Wimbledon record as h2h at Wimbledon it was 1-0 Djokovic as the nadal win was only because Novak was injured.

So it is highly ironic that when the tables are turned at USO suddenly being the best runner up is significant! That wasn't the case before Wimbledon 2015.

As u are well aware I have nothing but admiration for Djokovic . Most of his fans are Brilliant as well , far more level headed than many federer fans.

I don't know how u feel though, personally I think the USO and FO are the most disappointing in Djokovic career as actually he is much better at those venues than at Wimbledon where he has hugely over achieved .
 

punterlad

Hall of Fame
9-4 is where it matters. Sorry.
But drilling that down more is that a so called clay court specialist is 1-1 at Wimbledon and 2-1 at USO Which means even if U take clay out of the equation over five sets it's 3-3!! On clay it's 6-1 Rafa!

That says to me that Djokovic has alaways had a match up problem with nadal over five sets
 
The difference between most of Nadal's slams and most of Djokovic's slams is that one of these player's came in a very weak era. They don't count the same.
 
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