Clueless post as per usual. Nadal has a better record than Djokovic at USO. 2-5 in finals is dreadful! Nadal is 2-1 which is a winning record in finals not losing! Lol.Nadal only has 5 slams outside RG. Murray will probably end up with a better non-clay resume than Nadal.
The fact is that Djokovic and Federer are better at 3/4 slams and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Murray ends up also being better at 3/4 slams.![]()
Slams off hard court ...nadal 11- 4 Djokovic !!!Almost meaningless.
Australian open 6-1 Djokovic
Wimbledon 3-2 Djokovic
US Open 2-2 (7-3 Djokovic in finals)
Slams off clay 11-5 Djokovic![]()
H2h is 6-1 nadal...or was 2016 likely to add 7 to h2h or something?After being tortured in 15 Rg, he withdrawed this year when he knew Djo was in the same draw to protect the silly H2H.
A Goat wont do that.
Nadal the most complete player at his best only player who could beat his rivals at their best on their best surfaceI think this is probably the most underrated achievement Rafa has had. He has held slams on all surfaces twice.
2008 French Open (clay)
2008 Wimbledon (grass)
2009 Australian Open (hard)
and
2010 French Open (clay)
2010 Wimbledon (grass)
2010 US Open (hard)
Has any other player achieved this?
Nadal the most complete player at his best only player who could beat his rivals at their best on their best surface
Yep your post is just pure fact. Anybody trying to argue is a jealous bitter hater of nadal who can't handle the truth. I have loads of respect and admiration for federer and djokovic but the blunt fact is neither could beat peak nadal on clay despite numerous chances. Nadal beat both on hardcourt multiple times at the majors. And Wimbledon 2008....rafas greatest moment!Exactly. He had to earn it the hard way. He beat prime hardcourt GOAT Federer at the 2009 AO final, prime hardcourt GOAT Novak at the 2010 & 2013 USO finals and prime grass GOAT Federer at the 2008 WB final. I won't mention how he handled them on clay at the FO cause this is not a masochism forum.
Djokovic doesn't lose to mugs at USO like Pouille and FogniniClueless post as per usual. Nadal has a better record than Djokovic at USO. 2-5 in finals is dreadful! Nadal is 2-1 which is a winning record in finals not losing! Lol.
Also Djokovic has a more lopsided record. He has only won 4 slams off hardcourt!!!!!!!! Doh!
There's no debate.Slams off hard court ...nadal 11- 4 Djokovic !!!
No disrespect but you lose the debate every time!
There's no debate.
Djokovic has a better record at 3/4 slams. That's a fact. Case closed
You lose![]()
Djokovic will go down as a greater player because he was better than Nadal on 2/3 surfaces and 3/4 slams. The difference overall in slams is only 2 which Djokovic will close next year.Yeah so a player who has
1 RG
11 AO
11 WB
10 USO + extra finals
33 slams total
Is greater than a player who has
550 RG
10 AO
10 WB
10 USO
580 slams total
What a stupid logic![]()
The difference overall in slams is only 2 which Djokovic will close next year.![]()
The more you analyse it the more it has to be acknowledged that nadal federer and Djokovic the theee greatest players to ever play the game.
Yeah so a player who has
1 RG
11 AO
11 WB
10 USO + extra finals
33 slams total
Is greater than a player who has
550 RG
10 AO
10 WB
10 USO
580 slams total
What a stupid logic![]()
I have them as three of the top six. Laver, Sampras and Gonzales are also up there.
Nadal 2-1 Djokovic in USO finals. End of debate.Djokovic doesn't lose to mugs at USO like Pouille and Fognini
Djokovic>>>>>>>>Nadal at USO
Djokovic has a better record at 3/4 slams. That's a fact so get used to it.![]()
Laver played in an era when the game was walking pace so he can't be compared to open era standards@punterlad imo, Borg and Sampras should be there too. I'd have Rafa, Roger and Borg in the Top 3 (in any order would do) and then Pete and Nole in the Top 5. I can't judge before then because I simply haven't seen enough, although most in my tennis-crazed family say that Laver is GOAT.
Erm nadal beat Djokovic multiple times on Djokovic best surface Djokovic never got one win over peak nadal on clay over five sets.Djokovic will go down as a greater player because he was better than Nadal on 2/3 surfaces and 3/4 slams. The difference overall in slams is only 2 which Djokovic will close next year.![]()
Sampras definitely. Laver though played in such a different era it's impossible to compareI have them as three of the top six. Laver, Sampras and Gonzales are also up there.
The oldest human being in history lived to 122.
I would say that it's your post which is illogical.
You would think Djokovic fans would hide when it comes to the USO. A 2-5 record in finals is not something I'd be shouting from the rooftops about!I exaggerated the numbers like that so that even the dumbest person would be able to realize how dumb the logic was (advantage 3 on 4 slams).
You would think Djokovic fans would hide when it comes to the USO. A 2-5 record in finals is not something I'd be shouting from the rooftops about!
Neither is getting beat by titans like Pouille and Fognini.You would think Djokovic fans would hide when it comes to the USO. A 2-5 record in finals is not something I'd be shouting from the rooftops about!
Erm the measure of greatness is not who bottled it the most!! Chokervic wins that title hands down sweetheartNeither is getting beat by titans like Pouille and Fognini.
Djokovic and Nadal both have 2 Us opens. So the logical way to decide it is by counting no of finals and that is 7-3 Djokovic.
Sorry to tell you that mate![]()
Neither is Rafa.Yep Federer is certainly the most successful it can not be denied... but he is not the greatest.
But he won Olympics Gold which is 10 times more important. Goldal. Silverer. Bronzokovic.
But Djokovic own coach says nadal has second best USO record of active players after federer!!!! Now that would appear to end your confusion sunshine!There's no debate.
Djokovic has a better record at 3/4 slams. That's a fact. Case closed
You lose![]()
How can he have the second best USO record?? Are you on drugsBut Djokovic own coach says nadal has second best USO record of active players after federer!!!! Now that would appear to end your confusion sunshine!
It's useless to win slams twice on all 3 surfaces yet he never win WTF. This only means that he is an incomplete player who never win the biggest title in Indoor Tennis. All of his top 2 rivals have won it and he hasn't. One big hole in his career.
No, you just clearly conceded the GOAT race/argument to Federer. AdiosI exaggerated the numbers like that so that even the dumbest person would be able to realize how dumb the logic was (advantage 3 on 4 slams).
I think this is probably the most underrated achievement Rafa has had. He has held slams on all surfaces twice.
2008 French Open (clay)
2008 Wimbledon (grass)
2009 Australian Open (hard)
and
2010 French Open (clay)
2010 Wimbledon (grass)
2010 US Open (hard)
Has any other player achieved this?
It's more useful than winning a WTF. Sure it's a big hole, but all players have those. To be the only one to have held slams on all surfaces twice and be one of the three to ever have done it shows that he has been able to do something incredibly difficult no one has managed in tennis, in the last 40 or so years.
Now you are watering down people :
Here's the SIX people that have done it (inc any combination of three that you watered down) :
1) Connors
2) Wilander
3) Agassi
4) Nadal
5) Federer
6) Djokovic
Of those only Djokovic did the NCYGS (on three different surfaces), joining Laver and Budge, who did CYGS (on two different surfaces)
But that's not to say people who didn't do CYGS or NCYGS on three different surfaces have gaping holes in the resume because otherwize everyone has gaping holes in the resume outside of Djokovic
Yes Nadal has done something incredibly difficult no one has managed in tennis, EVER in the history, by winning slams on three different surfaces, twice
Yes Djokovic has done something incredibly difficult no one has managed in tennis, EVER in the history, by doing the NCYGS, on three different surfaces
To make Djokovic look like he has a hole in his resume someone will have to do the CYGS on three different surfaces
Might as well say no player that won a USO before Fedal came along was a worthy winner seeing as he didn't have to go through either guy to earn his title. Just doesn't make sense at all.Are you thick or just delusional? U can't be English!
Sampras, mcenroe, connors and Lendl are not active players u utter fool!
As for Djokovic fact is he had three bites at nadal in finals on his best surface at USO...lost twice! 2-1 nadal end of debate. Djokovic only won a second USO after nadal and federer faded!
Nadal by far the better player at USO..by far.
He never won the NOLE SLAM. He never won WTF. He doesn't have the Masters record. He doesn't have a winning record vs Federer on grass. He is not undefeated vs Federer in Wimbledon finals. He doesn't have the Federer slam(beating him at all slams). He doesn't have the Nole Slam either. Djokovic has beaten both at every slam. Djokovic is GOAT?I think this is probably the most underrated achievement Rafa has had. He has held slams on all surfaces twice.
2008 French Open (clay)
2008 Wimbledon (grass)
2009 Australian Open (hard)
and
2010 French Open (clay)
2010 Wimbledon (grass)
2010 US Open (hard)
Has any other player achieved this?
He never won the NOLE SLAM. He never won WTF. He doesn't have the Masters record. He doesn't have a winning record vs Federer on grass. He is not undefeated vs Federer in Wimbledon finals. He doesn't have the Federer slam(beating him at all slams). He doesn't have the Nole Slam either. Djokovic has beaten both at every slam. Djokovic is GOAT?
Novak 26-23 vs Rafa. #womanbyeHolding slams on all 3 surfaces TWICE > Nole weak era slam
GOLD OLYMPICS MEDAL > Wtf
9-2 vs Federer > 9-6 vs Federer
Rafole: 9 slam wins > 4 slam wins
14 slams > 12 slams
Winning 2 slams on each surface > Winning 1 slam on each surface
Etc. Etc. Etc.![]()
Novak 26-23 vs Rafa. #womanbye
Now you are watering down people :
Here's the SIX people that have done it (inc any combination of three that you watered down) :
1) Connors
2) Wilander
3) Agassi
4) Nadal
5) Federer
6) Djokovic
Of those only Djokovic did the NCYGS (on three different surfaces), joining Laver and Budge, who did CYGS (on two different surfaces)
But that's not to say people who didn't do CYGS or NCYGS on three different surfaces have gaping holes in the resume because otherwize everyone has gaping holes in the resume outside of Djokovic
Yes Nadal has done something incredibly difficult no one has managed in tennis, EVER in the history, by winning slams on three different surfaces, twice
Yes Djokovic has done something incredibly difficult no one has managed in tennis, EVER in the history, by doing the NCYGS, on three different surfaces
To make Djokovic look like he has a hole in his resume someone will have to do the CYGS on three different surfaces
This is impressive but mostly shows the perks and pitfalls of being/facing a surface GOAT in his prime/peak![]()
But isn't Federer supposedly the grass GOAT and both Federer & Djokovic the hardcourt GOATs? Yet Rafa managed this. Stop making excuses.
TBH though your point doesn't fit here as it's a very very narrow argument brought up by some of the more one eyed Djokovic fans.Might as well say no player that won a USO before Fedal came along was a worthy winner seeing as he didn't have to go through either guy to earn his title. Just doesn't make sense at all.
Nadal 2015 was less impressive than Djokovic 2010!The 2008-2009 streak was impressive. Bendych and 2010 Djokovic are not impressive.
But drilling that down more is that a so called clay court specialist is 1-1 at Wimbledon and 2-1 at USO Which means even if U take clay out of the equation over five sets it's 3-3!! On clay it's 6-1 Rafa!9-4 is where it matters. Sorry.