Rafa Nadal is the best tennis player to ever live

clayqueen

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Federer is a spectator on clay, how on earth can he be the greatest of all time. You might as well believe in fairies.

 
mike danny

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zagor said:
Yes, injuries took so much toll over the years that he just had his most dominant slam run at 31.

The guy's body is really falling apart, isn't it? Guys like Delpo, Guga, Hewitt and Pim-Pim are just drama queens, if only they had 1/10th of Rafa's fighting spirit.
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When Fed wins he is never too good, the era is just weak. When Rafa wins, he is just to good, how can you even question that?
 
The Fedfather

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The author is clearly a troll trying to start a sh*tstorm. Obviously there are fans who truly believe in the drivel that the author presents as arguments but the tone of the article is just too exaggeratedly pompous and mocking for it to be written with any serious intent. "History shall vindicate this, the hottest of all tennis takes.":D And that dismissal of Sampras. Pity 90's Clay isn't here anymore.
 
vive le beau jeu !

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this thread, seriously...... yet another droolqueen gem.

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PS: and sonic would win :p
@NickJ @Rod Laver @SpinToWin
 
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KINGROGER

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Tommy Haas said:
Fed is the best tennis player in the history of the sport and Nadal is the second best in my opinion.

Compared to each other "mano a mano", Nadal is the better player because he has the winning record.
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Tommy Haas said:
Roger is the greatest player, but Rafa is the better player.
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Lol no Fed is better at almost everything apart from running fast and hitting topspin forehands. That's why Rafa scored a lot of wins on clay and slow HCs where he can retrieve winners and spam moonballs to Fed's backhand.

Put them on a neutral surface such as indoor HC, and Fed's superior tennis technique and ability means he wins. In fact that's even the case in 2015-2017 now that Nadal's movement has declined.

Fed is the better player.
 
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mike danny said:
Federer has dominated 2 surfaces. Nadal just one.

Of course, the author who is a Rafa fanatic would never mention that.
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Well the author and clayqueen conflate grass and HCs as one surface... if only Lendl knew they were the same!

That way they can distort the stats in their favour... Rafa with 5 non clay slams, Fed with 1 non HC AND grass slams.

Totally disingenuous and false.
 
fednad

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Nadullio is the best human to ever live !
He has provided job to so many homeless dames in the massage parlour of mallorca who mushroom out on TT every clay season to say thank you to him.
Let us get over this tennis thing - how skewed the vision is.
Please celebrate the great human being Nadullio who gets such vicarious pleasure in seeing his opponent close to victory that he gets injured....
 
zagor

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clayqueen said:
Federer is a spectator on clay, how on earth can he be the greatest of all time. You might as well believe in fairies.

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Indeed, and to think such a CC clown was Nadal's main competition on clay for nearly 6 years. Kinda puts things into perspective, doesn't it? Borg had genuine competition on clay, not big nosed spectators.
 
clayqueen

clayqueen

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mike danny said:
Federer has dominated 2 surfaces. Nadal just one.

Of course, the author who is a Rafa fanatic would never mention that.
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But no one is claiming that Nadal is the greatest player of all time. It defies logic that anyone can be said to be the greatest of all time when they are so weak on one surface.
 
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The only reason why people consistently try to argue with Bamos a la playa Brigade members that are wrapped in nephew´s used pampers is because they want to see what is on their faces this time when those try to unwrap themselves.

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clayqueen

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fednad said:
Nadullio is the best human to ever live !
He has provided job to so many homeless dames in the massage parlour of mallorca who mushroom out on TT every clay season to say thank you to him.
Let us get over this tennis thing - how skewed the vision is.
Please celebrate the great human being Nadullio who gets such vicarious pleasure in seeing his opponent close to victory that he gets injured....
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On cue. The minute FedFans realise they've lost the argument, they turn on the insults.
 
The Green Mile

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LOL, and only recently were Rafa and Roger fans getting along much better than times before, mainly thanks to the Djokovic overhaul of 15-16.
 
Bukmeikara

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Why you cant just enjoy the moment of your favorite player being in a good shape. There is a pretty much an "Andy Murray type of career" difference between Roger and Rafa in terms of achievements.
 
zagor

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deBroglie said:
Why people take the bait on these threads, I will never know.
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Because an occasional mud-slinging contest is good for the soul.

We're all well aware that who ends up being considered a marginally better player between two legends of the sport is largely inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.
 
TheAssassin

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mike danny said:
Because Rafa was a baby in diapers. It wasn't a weak era for him....

It's never a weak era for Rafito. Every time he wins, the players were playing in super sayian mode.
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"When you are 5-6 years younger than your opponents, it's not a weak era for you"

That's basic knowledge man. :rolleyes::D
 
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clayqueen, I get it that you're maybe the most loyal Rafa fan there is and that you feel you have a lot of energy and time to forever "defense" Rafa (Does he need that? :eek:) and in the process downplay Fed at every chance you've got.

But you're only doing him a disservice here. Threads like this will only always be the wonderland for anti-Rafa fans to get united and even a lot of neutral fans will get irriated. Heck, even Rafa fans like me get irriated.

Nadal News 2.0 is fine. But save yourself and all of us the trouble, pls. More time to watch real tennis. Fed is back for good now, whether you like it or not.
 
KingKyrgios

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clayqueen said:


Warning: This first one feels VERY hot coming off the fingertips. I don't consider myself a world-class take merchant, but I have been nurturing this one for a while, and I want to come out guns blazing. You might say that this is the hottest take of my life, because I fervently believe in its absolute truth. It's time for the Monday Superlatives, baby.

The Best Tennis Player to Ever Live: Rafael Nadal

Rafa Nadal (disclaimer: my favorite athlete) is the best tennis player to ever play the game. He is better than Roger Federer, the only other player with an argument now that Nadal has passed Pete Sampras on the all-time grand slam list with 15 major championships. I won't waste time comparing Rafa with someone like Sampras, who never even won the career slam. As far as I'm concerned, my only duty is to prove that he's better than Roger Federer.

First, because I'm a generous person, here are the arguments for Federer:

  1. He has 18 grand slam titles to Rafa's 15.

  2. There is no second argument. And by the time it's all over, Nadal, who is 31, will have more slams than Federer, who is 35.
Now, here are the arguments for the King of Clay, the greatest of all-time, Rafael Nadal Perera:

  1. His overall record against Federer is 23-14. The record on hard courts and grass is essentially even, with Federer holding a 12-10 lead, but Nadal's record on clay is 13-2.

  2. His overall career winning percentage is .825, which is higher than Federer's .817.

  3. As of yesterday, with his victory over Stan Wawrinka in the French Open, he is the only player to ever win 10 grand slam titles—a feat known as La Decima—in one tournament. (He has also accomplished La Decima at Monte Carlo and Barcelona.)

  4. Nadal is indisputably the greatest clay-court player in history, but outside of his favorite surface, he has won five grand slams. He has beaten Federer in grand slam finals on both grass and hard courts, and the trajectory of his career has been one of improvement as he overtakes Federer first on each successive surface. Meanwhile, Federer has exactly one grand slam title on clay, winning his only French in a year when Rafa was knocked out early. In their head-to-head showdowns, Fed is 0-5 against Rafa at Roland Garros.

  5. Nadal has two Olympic gold medals, one in singles and one in doubles. Federer has never won a gold in singles, settling for one silver. (He did win a gold medal with Stan Wawrinka in doubles.)
To be totally fair, there other arguments for Federer, such as the fact that he currently has more ATP titles. But does anyone consider Sam Snead better than Tiger or Jack because he won more often on the PGA Tour?

No way. And unlike Federer, Nadal has also had to fight his way back from injuries, which have resulted in fallow periods, and he's had to win all of his grand slam titles in the era of the Big Four, while Federer took a good chunk of his before Rafa, Djokovic, and Murray entered their primes. And ultimately, it is impossible to argue that Federer is the better player when his winning rate against Nadal is a paltry 38%. We could debate for hours, but that stat will always be the argument-ender.

If you're a Fed fanatic, I know you're not convinced. My argument has been, and will be, ridiculed by many tennis fans. But just wait—it's going to age beautifully, and when Rafa finally surpasses Roger's mark of 18 grand slams, there will no longer be any doubt. History shall vindicate this, the hottest of all tennis takes.

http://www.golfdigest.com/story/rafa-nadal-is-the-best-tennis-player-to-ever-live
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NOT GONNA LIE

I CRINGED
 
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clayqueen said:
I think the author was saying Rafa is a better player; he also covered the fact that Federer has achieved more because he had a head start in the weak era. Federer is also 5 years older than Rafa, a fact that FedFans tend to forget - conveniently.
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Yea, maybe, because Roger won their four last encounters, despite being almost five years older.
 
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Surion

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clayqueen said:
Because Nadal was born with immense tennis talent. Injury took it's toll over the years, without that, he would have won far more titles.
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He was injured so often, because of his crazy playing style, so it's his own fault.

Give Nadal Fed's game and he isn't injured.


Easy.


Stupid argument.
 
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clayqueen said:
I know, it's indoor courts
2013 ATP World Tour Finals SF Hard Rafael Nadal def Roger Federer 7-5 6-3
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Your arguments are beyond stupid and convenient.

You could argue that Federer is equally good on HC and grass compared to his clay level, while Rafa is so much better on clay compared to HC/grass and still Roger won against him on clay, he even bagelled him.

Oh, and you seriously post a match of 2013?
SERIOUSLY?

Idiot.

What's your point?
 
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