Rafa on Andy Murray... [may be this should decide TTW debates on Andy's ATG status?!]
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Phenomenal
Hall of Fame
They faced 3 times in a row at slams in 2011. FO, Wimbledon, USO. Who knows what would have Murray done had he not faced Rafa especially in Wimbledon and USO year earlier.people in this thread ignoring the fact that Ned never faced Lendlray and ran away the one time it nearly happened at Miami 2012
Where was Ned when Murray was hammering Djokovic and straight setting Federer on centre court? On the couch or losing to Darcis
I wish Rafa had played Olympics in 2012.
rUDin 21
Hall of Fame
Only the history of tennis.
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
Rafa is the guy who oversells every journeyman he plays as a dangerous threat, so his opinion over a friend to boot should not count much.
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
Don’t understand it either. Typically he gives the most predictable PR answers, well at least regarding the equal prize money question he didn’t give exactly the answer the reporter had hoped for.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
No_Kwan_Do
Semi-Pro
If Fed and Djoko say the same will that count?
Of course not, it only counts when random keyboard warriors on a completely irrelevant tennis forum say so.
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
Fed is also known for sugarcoating, Djoko usually speaks his mind but he is also one of Murray’s friends. Anywho, I find it absurd to take players opinions as gospel as if they were somehow smarter than us only because they play better. Then again, there is no formal definition for ATG, so if anyone, pro player or not, says Murray is an ATG in his opinion I cannot contradict. If we however take the Becker/Edberg/Mats trio as the lower bound of the ATG group then Murray isn’t since all three are clearly better.If Fed and Djoko say the same will that count?
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BorgTheGOAT
Legend
Damn, how dare I having my own opinion and don’t stupidly take the opinion of pro-players as gospel who a) don’t necessarily know more of the game than die-hard fans and b) are typically biased in their opinions anyways as they know the other players from playing them.
No_Kwan_Do
Semi-Pro
No offence "BorgTheGOAT" but your opinions carry no weight when compared to GOAT candidates that have actually played the sport and competed against all-comers at the highest level for 10-20 years. Their opinions understandably carry more gravitas than random armchair fan #345732.
Apun94
Hall of Fame
Spoken exactly like a guy who didnt watch tennis then or just doesnt understand tennis. You have such a horrible memory that you have forgotten how good Murray was back then. Murray has more Fedalovic victories than Delpo and Wawrinka, at slams. Big 3 have always rated Murray higher than even Delpo and Wawrinka. Murray has beaten Djokovic twice in slam finals, during DJokovic's prime years, he has numerous wins over all 3 outside the slams too.
Thats the problem with Murray having not retired at the right time. He has been bad for so long now that people have forgotten how good he was. Yes, he didnt have a big weapon and thats exactly why he never got the success of the big 3, but he was almost right up there. Again you havent watched a lot of tennis (it's very obvious) but there used to be a big 4, before Djokovic separated himself from Murray and there becamse a big 3. Delpo was always too injured to be a consistent threat and Wawrinka blossomed too late for far too less time to be mentioned in the same tier as Murray.
"He was never a threat" lollll stop it. Go ask the big 3 if they considered him a "real" threat or not. I swear there should be a minimum amount of years you have watched tennis for, before one is allowed on this forum. Most of yall know NOTHING about tennis
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
Sampras himself said that Pete Fischer installed his brilliant tennis brain in him. He admitted without hesitation that Fischer understood more about the game than him and that was a 3.5 player. Federer said he was better in 2015 than in 2004-07. Tomic said he would win Wimbledon. You think Kyrgios, who admits to hate tennis would know more about the game than the most ardent followers here in TTW watching tennis since 4 decades?
My opinion might be irrelevant but thinking only because someone plays the game better, his opinion on theoretical tennis questions would be more accurate is funnily simplistic child-like thinking. It is the puerile itch to be able to refer to some higher authority to end the discussion.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
He was more experienced in 2015, but certainly not better.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Well, better at Slams sure.
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
Becker way better at YEC and DC (which were both really big at his time) as well as more total tournaments, Edberg better in weeks at No.1. The only one lacking things outside is Mats, but here again we talk 4 slam deficit and a really dominating three slam year.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
I don't think Murray's DC record can be sniffed at. He almost singlehandedly won 2015 DC for Team GB never losing a single rubber.
Djokodalerer31
Hall of Fame
Because they want to ask very specific questions, to which they would love to hear what they want to hear in response! It's all cooked! The entire machine! Haha
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
I don’t criticise him, his record is great. But Becker together with Borg is DC Co-GOAT.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
And he travelled to Ghent for that 2015 Davis Cup final, while Henman refused to travel as a pundit. There had been a terrorist attack in Brussels shortly before.
jmacdaununder2
Legend
And then there's the whole dual singles Olympic Gold medallist thing - twice victorious in a cauldron that has proved too hot for others.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Rafa has stolen a page of Tio Toni's book."He had a lot of finals. He was an amazing player that probably played in a difficult moment of the history of tennis, because, he shared the tour at the prime time of Novak, Roger and myself. And he was, in my feeling, the one that he was at the same level than us, in general terms.
"Then, in terms of victories, it's true that he achieved less, but in terms of level of tennis, in terms of holding mentally, the winning spirit week after week... He was the only one that was very close to, to be at the same level as us."
RAFAEL NADAL SAYS ANDY MURRAY WAS THE ONLY PLAYER CLOSE TO LEVEL OF ROGER FEDERER, NOVAK DJOKOVIC AND HIMSELF
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Rafael Nadal says Andy Murray was the only player close to level of Roger Federer, Novak Djokovic and myself - Eurosport
Rafael Nadal has hailed Andy Murray as an "amazing player" but one that ultimately was a victim of the era of tennis he emerged in.www.eurosport.com
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
We should hear Borg say that the Laver Cup is a great event, instead.
Speaking of PR talk.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
Tennfan123
Legend
Lol. Rafa is a much shrewder businessman than he gets credit for here.
Of course he's going to big up the fourth member of the big four.
Of course he's going to big up the fourth member of the big four.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Try changing yourself lol
nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
I did.
Murray is modern great.
What I mean is the sentence doesn't do much to move the needle.
TRUE!
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