Rafa or Fed, who is greater at the US Open?

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Nadal has vultured a lot in New York primarily due to rigged draws and favorable scheduling provided every year by corrupt USTA officials.

Both Federer and Djokovic(who's been the major target of the USTA officials as we saw few days ago) are much better than the clay beat at US Open and every other Hard court
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
i don't want to give any introduction to this thread, we all know how many times they participated in the slam, who they beat and how many titles they won........let us settle this once and for all........who edges out who in this race at the us open and historically who is greater at this fast hardcourt slam?
bwahaha ha ha ha ha

Nadal the weak draw vulterer at the US Open being compared to Federer who is MUCH better than him there ?

top 10 record at USO :
federer : 16-6 (72.72%). (22 top 10 players faced in 19 US Opens)
nadal : 7-5 (58.33%) (12 top 10 players faced in 15 US Opens)

top 10 faced by Federer in his 5 US Open wins : 13
top 10 faced by Nadal in his 4 US Open wins : 4


Oh and required reminder to you : Federer has whoopped Nadal 6 times in a row on non-clay surfaces.
Also some advice : get your head out of you know where
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Hmm. Let's see. :unsure:

Federer
Titles: 5
Finals: 7
Semifinals: 10
Quarterfinals: 13
Losses before quarterfinals: 6
Career win-loss: 89-14 (86%)
Top-10 wins: 16

Nadal
Titles: 4
Finals: 5
Semifinals: 8
Quarterfinals: 9
Losses before quarterfinals: 6
Career win-loss: 64-11 (85%)
Top-10 wins: 7

It's really not that close until Nadal wins another. Then there would be arguments either way.
not really :

Nadal the weak draw vulterer at the US Open being compared to Federer who is MUCH better than him there ?

top 10 record at USO :
federer : 16-6 (72.72%). (22 top 10 players faced in 19 US Opens)
nadal : 7-5 (58.33%) (12 top 10 players faced in 15 US Opens)

top 10 faced by Federer in his 5 US Open wins : 13
top 10 faced by Nadal in his 4 US Open wins : 4
 

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bwahaha ha ha ha ha

Nadal the weak draw vulterer at the US Open being compared to Federer who is MUCH better than him there ?

top 10 record at USO :
federer : 16-6 (72.72%). (22 top 10 players faced in 19 US Opens)
nadal : 7-5 (58.33%) (12 top 10 players faced in 15 US Opens)

top 10 faced by Federer in his 5 US Open wins : 13
top 10 faced by Nadal in his 4 US Open wins : 4


Oh and required reminder to you : Federer has whoopped Nadal 6 times in a row on non-clay surfaces.
Also some advice : get your head out of you know where
you are just a ridiculously insecure clown attacking rafa fans in every thread......so you won’t understand any sensible reply......
 

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Hall of Fame
to all those calling this a no comparison and using terms like garbage for this thread, your hypocrisy knows no bounds......you were the clowns who compared the likes of roddick and hewitt to murray and djokovic even when both of them crossed 2 slams......

here we are talking 5 and 4 wins at a major, not 15 and 4.......it is laughable how ridiculous and insecure you sound, launching attacks on whoever defends rafa and writing off rafa as a no comparison.......what will you say if rafa wins another next year?
 

RS

Hall of Fame
to all those calling this a no comparison and using terms like garbage for this thread, your hypocrisy knows no bounds......you were the clowns who compared the likes of roddick and hewitt to murray and djokovic even when both of them crossed 2 slams......

here we are talking 5 and 4 wins at a major, not 15 and 4.......it is laughable how ridiculous and insecure you sound, launching attacks on whoever defends rafa and writing off rafa as a no comparison.......what will you say if rafa wins another next year?
Lol in terms of career

Djokovic >>>>>>>>>> Murray >> Hewitt > Roddick.

Putting Djokovic with the other 3 is headhurting.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
to all those calling this a no comparison and using terms like garbage for this thread, your hypocrisy knows no bounds......you were the clowns who compared the likes of roddick and hewitt to murray and djokovic even when both of them crossed 2 slams......

here we are talking 5 and 4 wins at a major, not 15 and 4.......it is laughable how ridiculous and insecure you sound, launching attacks on whoever defends rafa and writing off rafa as a no comparison.......what will you say if rafa wins another next year?
Sorry that so far 87.5% of people think you're an idiot.
 

ForehandCross

Hall of Fame
to all those calling this a no comparison and using terms like garbage for this thread, your hypocrisy knows no bounds......you were the clowns who compared the likes of roddick and hewitt to murray and djokovic even when both of them crossed 2 slams......

here we are talking 5 and 4 wins at a major, not 15 and 4.......it is laughable how ridiculous and insecure you sound, launching attacks on whoever defends rafa and writing off rafa as a no comparison.......what will you say if rafa wins another next year?

What are even getting at?Sorry it's you who are being a blind fan.2013 uso Nadal is probably my favourite big 3, but he is overall behind Federer.
Federer played against somewhat stronger competition as shown by these stats and still has more titles/F/SF/QF.

You do realize that even if we relegate Hewitt and Roddick to top 20 rather than top 5, still Nadal's 2017 and 2019 are weaker than almost all of Federer's run.Federer's runs are stronger, even his losses are against Del Potro , Djokovic ,Cilic.

And you can see the difference in numbers. Federer's top 10 matches include 4 straight against Djokovic, one against Murray, Del Potro 2009,Hewitt 2004-05,Agassi 2004-05,Roddick 2006-07

Not a single top 20 match in 2017. And in 2019 untll Medvedev where he came close to losing ,he only played ONE top 20 seed, the 20th seed Diego in quarters.
Also


I don't get what OP means to say by who played who,Nadal didn't exactly have harder competition.

Federer played and beat Murray,Djokovic,Agassi,Hewitt,Roddick, e.t.c multiple times in his winning USO runs. Each of them are USO champions.

Nadal on the other hand only has beaten Djokovic in his winning runs.

Nadal only beat Djokovic. And 2007 and 2008 Djokovic that Federer beat had actually achieved more on HC in the year going into USO than 2010 ,
2007 had 2 HC masters another finals,2008 had AO to his name and a masters and a Finals.

Meanwhile Djokovic 2010 hadn't beaten a top 10 upto the Federer match.


This is Nadal in 2010s against Top 10

TOTALSMatchTiebreakAce%1stIn1st%2nd%Hld%SPWBrk%RPWTPWDR
[x] Time Span: 04-Jan-2010...
7-2 (78%)​
3-2 (60%)​
3.1%​
66.2%​
69.1%​
53.7%​
77.7%​
63.9%​
26.0%​
40.1%​
51.7%​
1.11​


This is Federer from 2004 to 2013 (10years) on USO HC


TOTALSMatchTiebreakAce%1stIn1st%2nd%Hld%SPWBrk%RPWTPWDR
[x] Time Span: 19-Jan-2004...
15-4 (79%)​
10-4 (71%)​
9.8%​
60.5%​
75.0%​
53.7%​
84.7%​
66.6%​
26.0%​
39.0%​
52.9%​
1.17​

And you can see the difference in numbers. Federer's top 10 matches include 4 straight against Djokovic, one against Murray, Del Potro 2009,Hewitt 2004-05,Agassi 2004-05,Roddick 2006-07

Nadal's include Djokovic 3 times,Murray once ,
Not a single top 20 match in 2017. And in 2019 untll Medvedev where he came close to losing ,he only played ONE top 20 seed, the 20th seed Diego in quarters.


So really Nadal's two USO 2010,2013 has world class performances but he lags behind Federer by a lot in other Departments in USO.
 

socallefty

Semi-Pro
your mothers must be proud
Uncalled for to name those who voted for Nadal - they are as entitled to their opinion as we are as it is completely subjective anyway. No need to have a 21st-century version of ‘The Scarlet Letter’ or a ‘TTW Walk of Shame’. Lets save that for the fools who turn every tennis post into political arguments which are usually fringe viewpoints in most of their cases.
 

racquetreligion

Hall of Fame
Rafa has had some luck but he destroyed DelPo when all Fed did was bend over for the Tower of Tandil at the USO.
Rafa playing in the evening with slower balls helps his timing. Fed playing flat hitters like Delpo, Berdych, Tsonga not.
Players like Sinner, FA and Museti could probably win 5 to 6 USOs if the political landscape improved but this tyranny
has been planned for over 70 years is destroying our sport for the worse and the USO was like a bad joke.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
@Pheasant was just trolling with that vote
ye
Uncalled for to name those who voted for Nadal - they are as entitled to their opinion as we are as it is completely subjective anyway. No need to have a 21st-century version of ‘The Scarlet Letter’ or a ‘TTW Walk of Shame’. Lets save that for the fools who turn every tennis post into political arguments which are usually fringe viewpoints in most of their cases.
ye
 

Wander

Professional
Federer has more titles, has made more finals, more semi-finals and more quarters at USO. They are close on win % but even there Fed still has the lead so as of now there's only one answer.
 

Beckerserve

Professional
nope, just obnixous, clueless, insecure nadal fanboys like you.
those facts hurt, don't they ?
It seems Nadal's USO record has triggered you. Fact is there are many who do think Nadal and Djokovic are better at USO than Federer because he stopped winning there once they both peaked. Not my view. 5 is more than 4 but i am afraid as much as federer fanboys whine about so called weak draws for all of Nadals 19 Majors, there is a huge amount of people especially casual tennis fans who would look at Federer not having a USO title during his two big rivals peak as significant. As i say not my view at all but there is that narrative as this thread illustrates.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
It seems Nadal's USO record has triggered you. Fact is there are many who do think Nadal and Djokovic are better at USO than Federer because he stopped winning there once they both peaked. Not my view. 5 is more than 4 but i am afraid as much as federer fanboys whine about so called weak draws for all of Nadals 19 Majors, there is a huge amount of people especially casual tennis fans who would look at Federer not having a USO title during his two big rivals peak as significant. As i say not my view at all but there is that narrative as this thread illustrates.
Well Fed has never met Nadal there so that's nonsense lol. I guess you could blame Djokovic.
 

Beckerserve

Professional
Well Fed has never met Nadal there so that's nonsense lol. I guess you could blame Djokovic.
Thats my point. Djokovic did stop Federer who then went on to lose to Nadal. People have different outlooks. For me 5 is more than 4. However nadal getting his 4th UsO was arguably massive for his legacy. It made a mockery of that claydal term that used to get bandied about.
 
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NatF

Bionic Poster
Thats my point. Djokovic did stop Federer who then went on to lose to Nadal. People have different outlooks. For me 5 is more than 4. However nadal getting his 4th UsO was arguably massive for his legacy. It made a mockery of that claydal term that used to get bandied about.
Only in one instance did Fed lose to Djokovic who then went onto lose to Nadal, in 2011 Fed actually put up a much better fight against Djokovic.

Nadal has been super fortunate with his draws at the USO lol. Somewhat balanced by his tough draws at the AO. He's obviously an ATG outside of clay, but his resume does have a big time clay skew and he's not even close to be a GOAT contender on more than one surface. So I guess it does depend on your outlook...
 

Nadal_Django

Hall of Fame
to all those calling this a no comparison and using terms like garbage for this thread, your hypocrisy knows no bounds......you were the clowns who compared the likes of roddick and hewitt to murray and djokovic even when both of them crossed 2 slams......

here we are talking 5 and 4 wins at a major, not 15 and 4.......it is laughable how ridiculous and insecure you sound, launching attacks on whoever defends rafa and writing off rafa as a no comparison.......what will you say if rafa wins another next year?
Federer fanboys act like this is crazy comparison, while, based on some old bumped threads, they had Fed's chief minions Hewitt and Roddick as better grass court players than Djokovic as late as 2015. Go figure...:oops:
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Let's see:

5 straight titles
40 straight wins (even Nadal at RG hasn't done that)
More wins over top 10 opponents
Nadal also has the 2017 title, which was one of the weakest USO titles of the Open Era
Nadal's wins are more spread out, which you could argue is the only thing in his favor. Bit never defending a USO title is pretty poor.

I really don't see how it's close. Almost everything, even the anointed competition argument, that Nadal fans love so much, is in Fed's favor.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Rafa has had some luck but he destroyed DelPo when all Fed did was bend over for the Tower of Tandil at the USO.
Rafa playing in the evening with slower balls helps his timing. Fed playing flat hitters like Delpo, Berdych, Tsonga not.
Players like Sinner, FA and Museti could probably win 5 to 6 USOs if the political landscape improved but this tyranny
has been planned for over 70 years is destroying our sport for the worse and the USO was like a bad joke.
what ?
1. delpo destroyed nadal in USO 09. yeah, nadal had a stomach issue, but only serving was affected
federer was 2 points away from winning vs delpo in USO 09

USO 17, federer was recovering from injury and lost in a tough 4-setter. (granted 3rd set TB choke was bad)
in the semi, delpo came into the nadal match this way : was sickish at the start of thiem match, felt better and that went full 5 sets. then a tough 4-setter with fed.

he didn't have much energy or stamina left after set1 vs nadal at USO 17 semi.
nadal played too good in the 2nd set and would've won it anyways. But a fitter, rested delpo would have made it a match from set 3 onwards.

USO 18 - delpo beat nadal - an injured one, who came through a tough draw (for once at the USO!)

2. federer took out tsonga in straight sets in USO 11 QF
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
It seems Nadal's USO record has triggered you. Fact is there are many who do think Nadal and Djokovic are better at USO than Federer because he stopped winning there once they both peaked. Not my view. 5 is more than 4 but i am afraid as much as federer fanboys whine about so called weak draws for all of Nadals 19 Majors, there is a huge amount of people especially casual tennis fans who would look at Federer not having a USO title during his two big rivals peak as significant. As i say not my view at all but there is that narrative as this thread illustrates.
yes and I have right to say that sort of view point is cr*p and show it through the stats as. I did.

its also rich because obnoxious nadal fanboys like "clueless about da game" keep calling 2004-07 as weak or joke era (only 06 was weak) and then make threads like this.

I can't point out actual facts showing how easy Nadal has had at it at the USO, even more so during his wins ?

@ the 1st bold part, no sane Federer fan said that for all the draws for nadal's 19 majors.
@ the 2nd bold part, not sure how casual you are talking about. Because they should know Federer beat djokovic 3 times in a row when djokovic was in the top 3 at the USO and playing fairly well.
 
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mike danny

Bionic Poster
Easy. Federer.

However I disagree with people who bring up 5 in a row as an advantage for Federer. I don't see it that way. All that tells me is that after 2008 he's done dick all at the tournament.
In fact it might even be a disadvantage if anything. Let's take 2 players and they've each won the same amount of titles (and also reached same amount of finals/semi/quarter/etc) but one won 5 in a row vs the other who won 5 over the course of 15-20 years. Honestly...I'd say the latter is more impressive because he was able to win over multiple generations of competitors and also maybe differing tournament factors (rules, court speeds, etc).
I wouldn't say d!ck all. He reached the final in 2009, semis in 2010 and 2011, a semi in 2014 and another final in 2015.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
I don't think the 2001 match was very important... It was between 2 completely different generations and also it could have gone either way. It’s not as if Sampras knew that Federer was going to become an all-time great and that this match was going to eventually have a certain meaning.

Federer obviously has an extra title and several more finals, but the fact that Federer lost all his 3 finals to Djokovic is definitely a bad look. Sampras when he made the final had that unbeatable aura. But maybe if Sampras had played up until his late 30s he would have lost many finals too so we can’t hold it against Federer, he is definitely still at #1 for Wimbledon.
It's not a maybe, it's a definitely. He wasn't beating Federer at Wimb after 2002.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
That wasn't a night match was it?
It wasn't.
I remember watching the USO 09 final starting at around 1:30 AM India time in the night at my hostel (4 PM NY Time). Went back disappointed at around 6:00 AM my time.

Federer's 1st loss under the lights at the USO was in 2012 vs berdych
 

RaulRamirez

Hall of Fame
My answer is clearly Roger, as slam wins (5 over 4, obviously) is the biggest factor, barring anything unusual. And Rafa doesn't have anything overwhelming on his side to mitigate that difference. Arguably, Fed's overall stats - in addition to 5-4 - are a little better.

If/when Rafa ties him at 5, we can debate it, and bring in a litany of other semi-relevant and irrelevant factors.

But please, everyone, stop crying about the 2017 USO. Was Rafa supposed to just quit along the way, or refuse the title when he won it? If Roger was good enough to defeat Delpo, they would have finally met in NY, and it may be 6-3 now...or still 5-4. Both are hypothetically "correct".
 

ForehandRF

Hall of Fame
It wasn't.
I remember watching the USO 09 final starting at around 1:30 AM India time in the night at my hostel (4 PM NY Time). Went back disappointed at around 6:00 AM my time.

Federer's 1st loss under the lights at the USO was in 2012 vs berdych
That was a tough loss.I thought that he can win another USO, especially given his good run in that period, which started in the fall of 2011.
 

Eren

Professional
I just love how so many people voted and Federer comes out on top.

What baffles me is, how is this not 100% in favour of Fed lmao, 5>4
 
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