Rafa or Fed, who is greater at the US Open?

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Start da Game

Hall of Fame
Lol in terms of career

Djokovic >>>>>>>>>> Murray >> Hewitt > Roddick.

Putting Djokovic with the other 3 is headhurting.
they argued that roddick was greater than djokovic even shortly after djoko won his 2nd aus open.........they refused to accept murray greater than weak era pigeons even after his 3rd slam in 2016........i do not have anything else to add to this thread, it will be hilarious if rafa wins his fifth us open next year.........
 

RS

Legend
they argued that roddick was greater than djokovic even shortly after djoko won his 2nd aus open.........they refused to accept murray greater than weak era pigeons even after his 3rd slam in 2016........i do not have anything else to add to this thread, it will be hilarious if rafa wins his fifth us open next year.........
Roddick and Djokovic were close at that point though imo by Djokovic 3rd slam it was more than clear he was better and greater. Cannot say you did favours with this thread by hope Rafa gets number 5 next year he would have had a real chance this year if only he played :(

I think Federer is a better USO player but ( Rafa has chances to win in the future more than Fed ) thay but i agree about the pumping up of those oppenents stuff.
 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
Roddick and Djokovic were close at that point though IMO. Cannot say you did favors with this thread by hope Rafa gets number 5 next year. He would have had a real chance this year if only he played. :(

I think Federer is a better USO player, but ( Rafa has chances to win in the future more than Fed ) they, but I agree about the pumping up of those opponent's stuff.
OMG, I'm so tired of seeing that lame commentary about Roddick and Djokovic! It's ridiculous and shows a true lack of common sense even trying to compare their careers! So what if Roddick got a lone win early when Nole was a rookie? Fed caught Sampras at the end of his career and
"vultured" that win! Are we actually going to say Federer is that much better than Sampras on grass? I know I won't; esp. after it was homogenized! That prevented upsets that would have happened with the normally slick, choppy grass! :sneaky:
 

Beckerserve

Hall of Fame
Yeah, but I'd much rather have them than a bunch of 3rd rounds instead.

Plus it awards more ranking points than Masters so I'd say it's fairly important.
No offence but i dont think you are an ATG. Neither am i. Dont u think those legends are all about win or bust? Or do u think they may value the runner up trophies?
 

Beckerserve

Hall of Fame
yes and I have right to say that sort of view point is cr*p and show it through the stats as. I did.

its also rich because obnoxious nadal fanboys like "clueless about da game" keep calling 2004-07 as weak or joke era (only 06 was weak) and then make threads like this.

I can't point out actual facts showing how easy Nadal has had at it at the USO, even more so during his wins ?

@ the 1st bold part, no sane Federer fan said that for all the draws for nadal's 19 majors.
@ the 2nd bold part, not sure how casual you are talking about. Because they should know Federer beat djokovic 3 times in a row when djokovic was in the top 3 at the USO and playing fairly well.
Anybody saying stuff about weak era or weak draws does not really get the idea of sport. Jim Courier had this garbage when he got to no.1. Some idiot asked him did it feel less of an achievement that Sampras was young, agassi injured, becker and edberg and lendl past it. Courier like a wasp replied..yep pure luck im no.1..next question.
Despite Thiem v Zverev playing the worse tennis match at pro level i have ever seen i would not seek to cheapen Thiems achievement as a Major winner. I will say it tells us little about of he cam repeat agains the Big 3 in a Major final but i would not say he only won because he had a bottle job in the final and Djokovic was DQd.
 

Beckerserve

Hall of Fame
I'm sure that happens much less often than losing to another random guy. And with the benefits of high seeding, this scenario becomes next to impossible.
As a fan Beckers 4 w final losses irritate me way more than the Doolan loss. I think the same applies to Becker as well.
 

Beckerserve

Hall of Fame
But the four finals reached are surely greater achievements, right?
For becker? I get where you are coming from but for Becker i feel those losses were massive let downs. Especially 95 and 88. He has said he hates the 3-4 record. Maybe its down to ego. Djokovic is proud of 8 finals at USO. So i take your point hopefully you see where im coming from. Different perspectives.
 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
You’re more of a Fed hater than that other guy is a Djokovic hater, and that’s saying something.
I don't think of myself as a Fed-Hatah, but being realistic, it appears 2 players will surpass his accomplishments! The H2H is already in their favor! :oops:
 

The_Order

G.O.A.T.
I wonder what the rationale for having Nadal over Fed here might be. I figure Ned fans would try to pull the competition card but looking at his USO draws they'd have a very shaky foundation.

Opponents I consider good are bolded. Opponents I consider weak are italicized

Fed USO 2004 QF-F (so basically later-round) opponents: Agassi, Henman, Hewitt (sorry, he just didn't play a good match)
Fed USO 2005 QF-F opponents: Nalbandian, Hewitt, Agassi
Fed USO 2006 QF-F opponents: Blake, Davydenko, Roddick (Blake could be bolded here too, based on how he played for some of those sets)
Fed USO 2007 QF-F opponents: Roddick, Davydenko, Djokovic
Fed USO 2008 QF-F opponents: Muller, Djokovic, Murray (should probably italicize Murray too; it was his first Slam final and he wasn't prepared for the occasion)

Ned USO 2010 QF-F: Verdasco, Youzhny, Djokovic
Ned USO 2013 QF-F: Robredo, Gasquet, Djokovic
Ned USO 2017 QF-F: Rublev, Del Potro, Anderson (megalol)
Ned USO 2019 QF-F: Schwartzman, Berrettini, Medvedev (some wouldn't consider Med strong; I'm being more generous here).

Unlike other situations, Ned fans have absolutely no high ground when it comes to USO competition.
dafuq you on about? Roddick 2006, Agassi 2005 and Djokovic 2007 (was a mental basket case in his first major final) were not strong opponents.

Nadal just more dominant, so his opponents looked weaker (am I doin' it right Fed fans??)
 

Third Serve

Legend
dafuq you on about? Roddick 2006, Agassi 2005 and Djokovic 2007 (was a mental basket case in his first major final) were not strong opponents.

Nadal just more dominant, so his opponents looked weaker (am I doin' it right Fed fans??)
lmao

I can see the point for Roddick 2006 perhaps (but I included Medvedev as a strong opponent for Nadal so it evens out), but Agassi played really well for the middle two sets of the 2005 final. As for Djokovic 2007, if we're going to talk about mental basket cases, then we should just kick out 2013 Djokovic as well.

It's utterly impossible to argue that Nadal has had tougher USO draws because he has had consistently easy roads to victory in all four of his wins. As for more dominant, well I hope you won't say that about Nadal 2017 and 2019 because those versions were a little worse off than others.

It's not even close, unlike what you can say about many of Nadal's other tournament wins.
 

The_Order

G.O.A.T.
lmao

I can see the point for Roddick 2006 perhaps (but I included Medvedev as a strong opponent for Nadal so it evens out), but Agassi played really well for the middle two sets of the 2005 final. As for Djokovic 2007, if we're going to talk about mental basket cases, then we should just kick out 2013 Djokovic as well.

It's utterly impossible to argue that Nadal has had tougher USO draws because he has had consistently easy roads to victory in all four of his wins. As for more dominant, well I hope you won't say that about Nadal 2017 and 2019 because those versions were a little worse off than others.

It's not even close, unlike what you can say about many of Nadal's other tournament wins.
Pffft... Medvedev was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY tougher than Roddick in 06.

Agassi was 35 and completely burnt out, how many 5 setters did he play to get to that final?

Djok 2013 was no mental basket case. Nadal outplayed him and was far too good. Novak didn't squander 7 set points like he did in 07 final.

LIke I said, Nadal made it look easier because his dominance was at a higher level than Federer's. Feddy was struggling with 34 year old Agassi.
 

Third Serve

Legend
Pffft... Medvedev was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY tougher than Roddick in 06.

Agassi was 35 and completely burnt out, how many 5 setters did he play to get to that final?

Djok 2013 was no mental basket case. Nadal outplayed him and was far too good. Novak didn't squander 7 set points like he did in 07 final.

LIke I said, Nadal made it look easier because his dominance was at a higher level than Federer's. Feddy was struggling with 34 year old Agassi.
Wow. This is "things you only read on TTW" material for sure. Had a good laugh at the bolded.
 

Spencer Gore

Hall of Fame
They are equal.

Federer did well to take his chance to sweep up 5 US titles when the competition was weak, but Nadal's four titles against much stronger competition balances that out.

it's just a shame they never met at the US -especially once Nadal was mature. It would have given the Spaniard an even greater lead in the slam H2H.
 

robthai

Hall of Fame
They are equal.

Federer did well to take his chance to sweep up 5 US titles when the competition was weak, but Nadal's four titles against much stronger competition balances that out.

it's just a shame they never met at the US -especially once Nadal was mature. It would have given the Spaniard an even greater lead in the slam H2H.
So Kevin Anderson and Medvedev are now considered much stronger opponents than anyone Federer played in his 5 US Open wins?
 

Start da Game

Hall of Fame
i see that some people have voted for one or the other despite feeling that they are both equally great at the slam........so i have added one more option "equal" to the poll and also enabled the "change vote" option to all those who wanted to vote equal but voted one player over the other due to lack of option and to also those who want to change their vote due to change of mind........
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Anybody saying stuff about weak era or weak draws does not really get the idea of sport. Jim Courier had this garbage when he got to no.1. Some idiot asked him did it feel less of an achievement that Sampras was young, agassi injured, becker and edberg and lendl past it. Courier like a wasp replied..yep pure luck im no.1..next question.
Despite Thiem v Zverev playing the worse tennis match at pro level i have ever seen i would not seek to cheapen Thiems achievement as a Major winner. I will say it tells us little about of he cam repeat agains the Big 3 in a Major final but i would not say he only won because he had a bottle job in the final and Djokovic was DQd.
its all relative.
that's why I use the term relatively many a times.

Delpo and Thiem have won 1 USO each. Yes, that stays on the record. Thiem has his major. But it would be major cheapning of Delpo's effort to say both are equivalent in terms of level/overall. Delpo's was WAYY better.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Kevin Anderson and Medvedev = strong competition. TTW never fails to amaze.

Did Medvedev get his first 5 set win yet?
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
OMG, I'm so tired of seeing that lame commentary about Roddick and Djokovic! It's ridiculous and shows a true lack of common sense even trying to compare their careers! So what if Roddick got a lone win early when Nole was a rookie? Fed caught Sampras at the end of his career and
"vultured" that win! Are we actually going to say Federer is that much better than Sampras on grass? I know I won't; esp. after it was homogenized! That prevented upsets that would have happened with the normally slick, choppy grass! :sneaky:
But you value Nole's wins over an aging Fed. Hypocrisy much?
 

RS

Legend
But you value Nole's wins over an aging Fed. Hypocrisy much?
Comparing Roddick to Djoko peak for peak never mind career is worse than valuing wins vs Fed at a older age. In fact it is worse than saying Fed was in his prime in the slam matches were he lost.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Comparing Roddick to Djoko peak for peak never mind career is worse than valuing wins vs Fed at a older age. In fact it is worse than saying Fed was in his prime in the slam matches were he lost.
His post was still hypocritical.

I honestly don't know who in his right mind thinks Roddick's peak is as good as Djoko's. But I don't think Djokovic played better in the 2013 USO final than Roddick in the 2006 one.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Comparing Roddick to Djoko peak for peak never mind career is worse than valuing wins vs Fed at a older age. In fact it is worse than saying Fed was in his prime in the slam matches were he lost.
Define peak for peak.
 

RS

Legend
His post was still hypocritical.

I honestly don't know who in his right mind thinks Roddick's peak is as good as Djoko's. But I don't think Djokovic played better in the 2013 USO final than Roddick in the 2006 one.
I don’t see too much of that poster...

That match was one match BTW.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
I don’t see too much of that poster...

That match was one match BTW.
There are other matches. Djokovic is one of the GOATS and way above Roddick but that doesn't always make him a tougher opponent than A-Rod and that's the kind of overhyping that I dislike, just like you have your type.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Djokovic is better at every event peak for peak than Roddick at the most important events save for maybe Cincy. You would know more about years and dates than me.
That's not really a definition, I guess you mean 2011/2015 Djok and nothing inbetween? Also it depends what you mean by compared, would losing in say a competitve four setter be incomparable? I can certainly see Roddick giving Djokovic a tough match at Wimbledon and the USO peak for peak albeit losing.
 

RS

Legend
@NatF
Saying he could compete with Djokovic at Wim or USO not the same as constantly putting him aside opponents who were better.

Roddick best years are considered 03/04 so I assume that. Djokovic best years are considered 11/15 but he had lots of other peaks at events.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
@NatF
Saying he could compete with Djokovic at Wim or USO not the same as constantly putting him aside opponents who were better.

Roddick best years are considered 03/04 so I assume that. Djokovic best years are considered 11/15 but he had lots of other peaks at events.
Examples?
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Do I really have to dig up past threads and strength of competition debates and take shots at posters? Feel like I have done this a bit too much in the last month or so.
Well you've already taken the shots, you just haven't named who you meant. Most of the time I think Fed's comp is put alongside Djokovic's weaker winning runs or losing efforts in finals etc...not his peak performances. A handful of posters or extremists shouldn't really concern you. There are 20 posters on here delusional enough to think Nadal is greater at the USO than Federer, I doubt you'll find 20 posters who think Roddick beats Djokovic peak for peak....and no threads about at Wimbledon pre-2015 hardly count.
 
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