Rafa or Fed, who is greater at the US Open?

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RS

Legend
Well you've already taken the shots, you just haven't named who you meant. Most of the time I think Fed's comp is put alongside Djokovic's weaker winning runs or losing efforts in finals etc...not his peak performances. A handful of posters or extremists shouldn't really concern you. There are 20 posters on here delusional enough to think Nadal is greater at the USO than Federer, I doubt you'll find 20 posters who think Roddick beats Djokovic peak for peak....and no threads about at Wimbledon pre-2015 hardly count.
Yeah I am not naming or post past threads they are everywhere to see. I don’t want to call out posters and quite a few are still active. It’s not all posters many don’t but I am responding to a comment that mentioned it.

I have no problem with somebody thinking Roddick could get some wins over Djokovic at Wim. He gets put aside better players too much though. I don’t agree pre 15 doesn’t count. Djokovic has been a ATG since after AO 2012 if not even after USO 11.

Nadal is not better at the USO and most posters rightly jumped on this thread that but even that is more reasonable still imo.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Yeah I am not naming or post past threads they are everywhere to see. I don’t want to call out posters and quite a few are still active. It’s not all posters many don’t but I am responding to a comment that mentioned it.

I have no problem with somebody thinking Roddick could get some wins over Djokovic at Wim. He gets put aside better players too much though. I don’t agree pre 15 doesn’t count. Djokovic has been a ATG since after AO 2012 if not even after USO 11.

Nadal is not better at the USO and most posters rightly jumped on this thread that but even that is more reasonable still imo.
You think it's unreasonable for someone to think Roddick could go toe to toe with 2011-2014 Wimby Djokovic?
 

RS

Legend
You think it's unreasonable for someone to think Roddick could go toe to toe with 2011-2014 Wimby Djokovic?
I don’t. I was talking generally. Think we have pushed this a fair bit it was not really directed at you anyways your not one of those posters.

PS - He put a equal option :D
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
I don’t. I was talking generally. Think we have pushed this a fair bit it was not really directed at you anyways your not one of those posters.

PS - He put a equal option :D
Ok fair enough. I guess I tend to see more underrating of those players and you see more overrating, diffreing outlooks.

He did and 0 people have taken it lol.
 
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RS

Legend
Ok fair enough. I guess I tend to see more underrating of those players and you see more overrating, diffreing outlooks.

He did and 0 people have taken it lol.
Sadly I voted Fed too :D

I think that these players can get under looked off here more they do on but that’s just me.
 

Phoenix1983

G.O.A.T.
Yes I am a massive Nadal fan.
By the way, if there were a post asking who was greater at the USO between Novak Djokovic and Nadal, would you vote for the Serb?

If so, then by inference, you're stating that Novak Djokovic > Federer at the USO, despite having two fewer titles there.
 

tudwell

Legend
lmao

I can see the point for Roddick 2006 perhaps (but I included Medvedev as a strong opponent for Nadal so it evens out), but Agassi played really well for the middle two sets of the 2005 final. As for Djokovic 2007, if we're going to talk about mental basket cases, then we should just kick out 2013 Djokovic as well.

It's utterly impossible to argue that Nadal has had tougher USO draws because he has had consistently easy roads to victory in all four of his wins. As for more dominant, well I hope you won't say that about Nadal 2017 and 2019 because those versions were a little worse off than others.

It's not even close, unlike what you can say about many of Nadal's other tournament wins.
Gotta throw out Djokovic 2010 too. He served like Zverev that season. That US Open final was literally the only final he made above the 500 level that year. That's supposed to be a tough opponent?
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Gotta throw out Djokovic 2010 too. He served like Zverev that season. That US Open final was literally the only final he made above the 500 level that year. That's supposed to be a tough opponent?
Think Novak played better in 2010 than 2013 despite his weak season up to that point. In neither final did he play like an ATG though.

Also I laugh at the hyping of Medvedev when 2006 Fed would have straight setted him lol.
 

Third Serve

Legend
Think Novak played better in 2010 than 2013 despite his weak season up to that point. In neither final did he play like an ATG though.

Also I laugh at the hyping of Medvedev when 2006 Fed would have straight setted him lol.
Agree on all points here, though I did rate them as strong opponents. But I was a bit more liberal with my definition seeing as I also rated Med highly.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Agree on all points here, though I did rate them as strong opponents. But I was a bit more liberal with my definition seeing as I also rated Med highly.
If Roddick in 2006 wasn't a strong opponent than Nadal has never beaten a strong opponent at the USO (y)
 

Third Serve

Legend
If Roddick in 2006 wasn't a strong opponent than Nadal has never beaten a strong opponent at the USO (y)
Yeah. Good thing I ended up rating him strong, no?

Could Blake that USO possibly be rated similarly? There were a couple of sets of that QF that were pretty thrilling.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Think Novak played better in 2010 than 2013 despite his weak season up to that point. In neither final did he play like an ATG though.

Also I laugh at the hyping of Medvedev when 2006 Fed would have straight setted him lol.
2006 Fed would bagel him.
 

Beckerserve

Hall of Fame
its all relative.
that's why I use the term relatively many a times.

Delpo and Thiem have won 1 USO each. Yes, that stays on the record. Thiem has his major. But it would be major cheapning of Delpo's effort to say both are equivalent in terms of level/overall. Delpo's was WAYY better.
Well we saw that didnt he beat Thiem in 2017? Even tho he was unwell? But for injuries i think Delpo would have had more Majors than Murray and Wawrinka. Only player ive seen apart from the Big 3 who could beat the big 3 at their best on hard court. My biggest sadness past decade was his injuries.
 

racquetreligion

Hall of Fame
what ?
1. delpo destroyed nadal in USO 09. yeah, nadal had a stomach issue, but only serving was affected
federer was 2 points away from winning vs delpo in USO 09

USO 17, federer was recovering from injury and lost in a tough 4-setter. (granted 3rd set TB choke was bad)
in the semi, delpo came into the nadal match this way : was sickish at the start of thiem match, felt better and that went full 5 sets. then a tough 4-setter with fed.

he didn't have much energy or stamina left after set1 vs nadal at USO 17 semi.
nadal played too good in the 2nd set and would've won it anyways. But a fitter, rested delpo would have made it a match from set 3 onwards.

USO 18 - delpo beat nadal - an injured one, who came through a tough draw (for once at the USO!)

2. federer took out tsonga in straight sets in USO 11 QF
2020 from 2009 is a longtime ago
from 2017 you almost had a point but you dont lose stamina or choking ability
The 5 with Thiem was not a reason to blame it was winner after winner initially
from Thiem and 3.31 hr min and todays recovery process plus a days rest is nothing.
USO18 and injured Nadal you said it but again but no excuses Delpo should have rised.

Yet against Thiem Delpo has 4-0 which shows the youth are snowflakes at best.
 
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