Rafa or Fed, who is greater at the US Open?
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MusterCoriaKuerten
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Nadal has vultured a lot in New York primarily due to rigged draws and favorable scheduling provided every year by corrupt USTA officials.
Both Federer and Djokovic(who's been the major target of the USTA officials as we saw few days ago) are much better than the clay beat at US Open and every other Hard court
Both Federer and Djokovic(who's been the major target of the USTA officials as we saw few days ago) are much better than the clay beat at US Open and every other Hard court
MeatTornado
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abmk
Bionic Poster
bwahaha ha ha ha ha
Nadal the weak draw vulterer at the US Open being compared to Federer who is MUCH better than him there ?
top 10 record at USO :
federer : 16-6 (72.72%). (22 top 10 players faced in 19 US Opens)
nadal : 7-5 (58.33%) (12 top 10 players faced in 15 US Opens)
top 10 faced by Federer in his 5 US Open wins : 13
top 10 faced by Nadal in his 4 US Open wins : 4
Oh and required reminder to you : Federer has whoopped Nadal 6 times in a row on non-clay surfaces.
Also some advice : get your head out of you know where
abmk
Bionic Poster
Hmm. Let's see.
Federer
Titles: 5
Finals: 7
Semifinals: 10
Quarterfinals: 13
Losses before quarterfinals: 6
Career win-loss: 89-14 (86%)
Top-10 wins: 16
Nadal
Titles: 4
Finals: 5
Semifinals: 8
Quarterfinals: 9
Losses before quarterfinals: 6
Career win-loss: 64-11 (85%)
Top-10 wins: 7
It's really not that close until Nadal wins another. Then there would be arguments either way.
not really :
Nadal the weak draw vulterer at the US Open being compared to Federer who is MUCH better than him there ?
top 10 record at USO :
federer : 16-6 (72.72%). (22 top 10 players faced in 19 US Opens)
nadal : 7-5 (58.33%) (12 top 10 players faced in 15 US Opens)
top 10 faced by Federer in his 5 US Open wins : 13
top 10 faced by Nadal in his 4 US Open wins : 5
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Start da Game
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you are just a ridiculously insecure clown attacking rafa fans in every thread......so you won’t understand any sensible reply......
Start da Game
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to all those calling this a no comparison and using terms like garbage for this thread, your hypocrisy knows no bounds......you were the clowns who compared the likes of roddick and hewitt to murray and djokovic even when both of them crossed 2 slams......
here we are talking 5 and 4 wins at a major, not 15 and 4.......it is laughable how ridiculous and insecure you sound, launching attacks on whoever defends rafa and writing off rafa as a no comparison.......what will you say if rafa wins another next year?
here we are talking 5 and 4 wins at a major, not 15 and 4.......it is laughable how ridiculous and insecure you sound, launching attacks on whoever defends rafa and writing off rafa as a no comparison.......what will you say if rafa wins another next year?
RS
Bionic Poster
Lol in terms of career
Djokovic >>>>>>>>>> Murray >> Hewitt > Roddick.
Putting Djokovic with the other 3 is headhurting.
NatF
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Sorry that so far 87.5% of people think you're an idiot.
Im(moral) Winner
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tennis_pro
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your mothers must be proud
ForehandCross
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What are even getting at?Sorry it's you who are being a blind fan.2013 uso Nadal is probably my favourite big 3, but he is overall behind Federer.
Federer played against somewhat stronger competition as shown by these stats and still has more titles/F/SF/QF.
You do realize that even if we relegate Hewitt and Roddick to top 20 rather than top 5, still Nadal's 2017 and 2019 are weaker than almost all of Federer's run.Federer's runs are stronger, even his losses are against Del Potro , Djokovic ,Cilic.
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Breakpointerer
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@Pheasant was just trolling with that vote
socallefty
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Uncalled for to name those who voted for Nadal - they are as entitled to their opinion as we are as it is completely subjective anyway. No need to have a 21st-century version of ‘The Scarlet Letter’ or a ‘TTW Walk of Shame’. Lets save that for the fools who turn every tennis post into political arguments which are usually fringe viewpoints in most of their cases.
racquetreligion
Hall of Fame
Rafa has had some luck but he destroyed DelPo when all Fed did was bend over for the Tower of Tandil at the USO.
Rafa playing in the evening with slower balls helps his timing. Fed playing flat hitters like Delpo, Berdych, Tsonga not.
Players like Sinner, FA and Museti could probably win 5 to 6 USOs if the political landscape improved but this tyranny
has been planned for over 70 years is destroying our sport for the worse and the USO was like a bad joke.
Rafa playing in the evening with slower balls helps his timing. Fed playing flat hitters like Delpo, Berdych, Tsonga not.
Players like Sinner, FA and Museti could probably win 5 to 6 USOs if the political landscape improved but this tyranny
has been planned for over 70 years is destroying our sport for the worse and the USO was like a bad joke.
tennis_pro
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Azure
G.O.A.T.
My mum's proud of me too. I think.
abmk
Bionic Poster
nope, just obnixous, clueless, insecure nadal fanboys like you.
those facts hurt, don't they ?
Beckerserve
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Runner up plates is not a measure of greatness. Not at ATG level.
Beckerserve
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It seems Nadal's USO record has triggered you. Fact is there are many who do think Nadal and Djokovic are better at USO than Federer because he stopped winning there once they both peaked. Not my view. 5 is more than 4 but i am afraid as much as federer fanboys whine about so called weak draws for all of Nadals 19 Majors, there is a huge amount of people especially casual tennis fans who would look at Federer not having a USO title during his two big rivals peak as significant. As i say not my view at all but there is that narrative as this thread illustrates.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Well Fed has never met Nadal there so that's nonsense lol. I guess you could blame Djokovic.
Beckerserve
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Thats my point. Djokovic did stop Federer who then went on to lose to Nadal. People have different outlooks. For me 5 is more than 4. However nadal getting his 4th UsO was arguably massive for his legacy. It made a mockery of that claydal term that used to get bandied about.
I Am Finnish
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The one with the most uso titles
NatF
Bionic Poster
Only in one instance did Fed lose to Djokovic who then went onto lose to Nadal, in 2011 Fed actually put up a much better fight against Djokovic.
Nadal has been super fortunate with his draws at the USO lol. Somewhat balanced by his tough draws at the AO. He's obviously an ATG outside of clay, but his resume does have a big time clay skew and he's not even close to be a GOAT contender on more than one surface. So I guess it does depend on your outlook...
Nadal_Django
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Federer fanboys act like this is crazy comparison, while, based on some old bumped threads, they had Fed's chief minions Hewitt and Roddick as better grass court players than Djokovic as late as 2015. Go figure...
mehdimike
Hall of Fame
I agree with you. Unless The Nadal won his 5th title by beating Fed Thiem Nole in a row!
(Is it even possible considering their rankings?)
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Let's see:
5 straight titles
40 straight wins (even Nadal at RG hasn't done that)
More wins over top 10 opponents
Nadal also has the 2017 title, which was one of the weakest USO titles of the Open Era
Nadal's wins are more spread out, which you could argue is the only thing in his favor. Bit never defending a USO title is pretty poor.
I really don't see how it's close. Almost everything, even the anointed competition argument, that Nadal fans love so much, is in Fed's favor.
5 straight titles
40 straight wins (even Nadal at RG hasn't done that)
More wins over top 10 opponents
Nadal also has the 2017 title, which was one of the weakest USO titles of the Open Era
Nadal's wins are more spread out, which you could argue is the only thing in his favor. Bit never defending a USO title is pretty poor.
I really don't see how it's close. Almost everything, even the anointed competition argument, that Nadal fans love so much, is in Fed's favor.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
I agree with you. Unless The Nadal won his 5th title by beating Fed Thiem Nole in a row!
Well, if he pulled that off, if it is possible, then I might reconsider.
abmk
Bionic Poster
what ?
1. delpo destroyed nadal in USO 09. yeah, nadal had a stomach issue, but only serving was affected
federer was 2 points away from winning vs delpo in USO 09
USO 17, federer was recovering from injury and lost in a tough 4-setter. (granted 3rd set TB choke was bad)
in the semi, delpo came into the nadal match this way : was sickish at the start of thiem match, felt better and that went full 5 sets. then a tough 4-setter with fed.
he didn't have much energy or stamina left after set1 vs nadal at USO 17 semi.
nadal played too good in the 2nd set and would've won it anyways. But a fitter, rested delpo would have made it a match from set 3 onwards.
USO 18 - delpo beat nadal - an injured one, who came through a tough draw (for once at the USO!)
2. federer took out tsonga in straight sets in USO 11 QF
Meles Fan.
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OP: Federer. The titles are on his side from a pure achievement assessment.
abmk
Bionic Poster
yes and I have right to say that sort of view point is cr*p and show it through the stats as. I did.
its also rich because obnoxious nadal fanboys like "clueless about da game" keep calling 2004-07 as weak or joke era (only 06 was weak) and then make threads like this.
I can't point out actual facts showing how easy Nadal has had at it at the USO, even more so during his wins ?
@ the 1st bold part, no sane Federer fan said that for all the draws for nadal's 19 majors.
@ the 2nd bold part, not sure how casual you are talking about. Because they should know Federer beat djokovic 3 times in a row when djokovic was in the top 3 at the USO and playing fairly well.
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OP failed miserably. Man, this forum is epic.
mike danny
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I wouldn't say d!ck all. He reached the final in 2009, semis in 2010 and 2011, a semi in 2014 and another final in 2015.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
That's how Federer and Djokovic won their FOs
mike danny
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abmk
Bionic Poster
It wasn't.
I remember watching the USO 09 final starting at around 1:30 AM India time in the night at my hostel (4 PM NY Time). Went back disappointed at around 6:00 AM my time.
Federer's 1st loss under the lights at the USO was in 2012 vs berdych
Nadal_Django
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Peak Fed, 2437-0 in hypotheticals and counting.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
This thread was fun actually because there was no way us Fed fans were losing this debate
RaulRamirez
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My answer is clearly Roger, as slam wins (5 over 4, obviously) is the biggest factor, barring anything unusual. And Rafa doesn't have anything overwhelming on his side to mitigate that difference. Arguably, Fed's overall stats - in addition to 5-4 - are a little better.
If/when Rafa ties him at 5, we can debate it, and bring in a litany of other semi-relevant and irrelevant factors.
But please, everyone, stop crying about the 2017 USO. Was Rafa supposed to just quit along the way, or refuse the title when he won it? If Roger was good enough to defeat Delpo, they would have finally met in NY, and it may be 6-3 now...or still 5-4. Both are hypothetically "correct".
If/when Rafa ties him at 5, we can debate it, and bring in a litany of other semi-relevant and irrelevant factors.
But please, everyone, stop crying about the 2017 USO. Was Rafa supposed to just quit along the way, or refuse the title when he won it? If Roger was good enough to defeat Delpo, they would have finally met in NY, and it may be 6-3 now...or still 5-4. Both are hypothetically "correct".
RaulRamirez
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... although in fairness, a few tried? (not you - with you on this one)This thread was fun actually because there was no way us Fed fans were losing this debate
ForehandRF
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That was a tough loss.I thought that he can win another USO, especially given his good run in that period, which started in the fall of 2011.
abmk
Bionic Poster
yep. Had played brilliantly at Cincy coming into the USO including bagelling Djokovic in the final.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
Better to just lose in 4th round, no?
Third Serve
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Yeah, but I'd much rather have them than a bunch of 3rd rounds instead.
Plus it awards more ranking points than Masters so I'd say it's fairly important.
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Federer. More titles there. Simple as that.
Third Serve
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Nice to see the usual suspects picking Ned based on close to nothing.
