Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by tusharlovesrafa, Dec 25, 2012.
Nadal of 3 years ago is not Nadal of today. He's been punishing his body for 10 years and simply can't keep it up off clay any longer. He's done nothing since winning the FO last year and, not coincidentally, will do nothing until the clay season this year.
Let's face it he is this generation's Borg - he will burn out soon and not be able to win slams into his 30s like Fed and Sampras...
I think you're confused about what year you're in.
Yep I meant this coming year (2013).
In any case I think you're confused about whether you're a Nadal fan or not.
it was the biggest joke of a draw in USO history. Gabashvilli, Istomin, Verdasco, Youzhny, Simon and some other scrubs. Then he gets Slumpovic in the finals.
Nadal had a very difficult AO draw earlier that year. I have no problem if he got an easier USO draw. A lot of players get them.
Er.....I know it's obvious to most of us, but listen to some Nards here and you would think Nadal can go on indefinitely....
I'm fan of Djokovic, but Nadal deservedly won the title, he was like a man on a mission in USO 2010, if Djokovic was unable to stop him, who could?
And I think you're confused about which troll account you want to use at the moment. You're obviously a banned troll who has come back. You're not fooling anyone.
I was just referring to the fact that your posts alternate between:
1). Nadal is the greatest superhuman player in history, far greater than Borg and always gets the better of Federer.
2). Nadal is a washed-up has-been who will never win another match, has been leading us all on for months and is about to retire.
Also your posts suggest you have an anger management problem.
Simply put, Clarky is insane. She put me on ignore because I was slowly exposing the truth behind her delusional posts (like why she says things about how her favorite player won't win another match and things like that). But I finally narrowed it down: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7042371&postcount=161
It's basically "bad luck" for her to say anything favorable about her favorite player. Perhaps that's why she's been extra critical of him lately because she thinks that Nadal is being punished for praise she has given him in the past.
He has to step on a court to win on any surface, not just hc.
LOL what a fruitcake.
But we were talking specifically about hard courts and you were questioning why Nadal may have a hard time on hard court surfaces in the future. So I replied that first of all, he actually needs to start playing and since we are beginning the 2013 season on hard courts that is what I was focusing on. In addition is the fact that Nadal has not won a title off clay since 2010. We are going on 2013 now. That is a long time.
Tony48 has an inflated sense of intelligence and self worth. Freud he is not. He's been on my ignore list a for a long time.
Oh, and welcome to the list too Phoenix zombie troll.
Clarky your ignore list seems very long?
Nah, not really. I'm just not going to read any crap some of these trolls post. Life is too short to be exposed to such people.
Senile old troll :lol:
My ignore list is very short: 6-3, etc. and LeeD from the tennis instruction forum.
It is not that they have said anything insulting, but filtering out their verbal diarrhea makes these forums a much quieter, nicer place. Try it.
does abudahbi still have Murray ? now this could get boring without Nadal in the mix. Now this is just a bunch of boring baseliners without Rafa. This is Sad
Wasn't I on it once? :lol:
what made you take me off?
Get out of here with that babbling. You sound exactly like Mustard when you say that crap about Nadal's 2010 USO victory. He had an easy draw and took advantage of it. The end.
Like Fed on most of his slam wins. And Nadal at least played Djokovic in the final, you know, the player with 4 hc slams and who had even then a winning h2h on hc against Nadal.
Were you on my ignore list? I don't remember if you were or not, but I am thinking you weren't. Correct me if I am wrong, though.
Oh, come on. Fed has had some pathetic draws himself. And at least Nadal beat Eeyore in the final at the USO to get his career slam. Fed only had to beat slam final virgin and his well documented pigeon Soderling to win his. No comparison at all.
So Nadal's US Open draw was the biggest joke in years? Was that until Federer's draw in this year's Wimbledon? Funny how that never gets brought up in all the haranguing against Nadal.
Federer had Ramos (43), Fognini (68 ), Benneteau (32), Malisse (75), Youzhny (33) (whose wife had just had a baby the night before), Djokovic (1) (still reeling from losing the FO which he had set as his biggest goal for the year), Murrray (4).
Compared to Gabashvilli (93), Istomin (39), Simon (42), Lopez (25), Verdasco (8 ), Youzhny (14), Djokovic (3).
Hmmm. Seems to me Federer's draw was the easiest.
Yeah, it's funny how haters love to bring up Nadal's draw in the USO in 2010. I guess we should be talking constantly about just how lucky Fed was to get his career slam
Are you kidding me? Federer at 31 had to beat both Murray and Djokovic to win Wimbledon, Nadal only had to worry about Djokovic. Federer wins here, hands down. Those other players in Nadal's draw are his pigeons just as much as the players in Federer's draw up until Murray and Djokovic are Federer's pigeons.
I'd go a bit further than that even. Benneteau would be a handful for anyone on grass given his experience and the versatility of his game and it wasn't a total surprise that he stretched Federer. I have no doubt that the Federer camp would have flagged this match as a danger straight away. How does it get any harder than beating the top two guys in the world other than yourself in order to win the title? Am I missing something here?
VBC hates Federer, she will say anything to disparage him even though she claims she never makes disparaging comments about him, lol. Of course beating two top guys in the world is better than beating just one but that must have not been obvious to VBC.
lol, wut ??????/
djokovic's first win over a top 10 player in 2010 was vs a poorly playing fed in that USO ..... he was in a slump at that time .......
yeah, novak was reeling so much from the FO loss that he reached the semis with the loss of just one set ....
even in 2011, he was reeling so much from the FO semi loss that he went on to pummel nadal in the finals :lol:
fed's draw at wimbledon 2012 >>>>>>>>>>> nadal's at USO 2010
Nah, Fed's 2012 WIM was a harder draw than Rafa's USO 2010.
But there are quite a few **** easy draws Fed has had, particularly his AO wins. He's only EVER beaten ONE top 4 opponent in ALL of his AO wins. Oh and that was JC Ferrero lol.
His 2006 draw was absolutely absurd they might as well have just given it to him before they started.
Then there's his 2009 RG, he won a career slam by not beating the greatest clay courter. Now the ****s will all jump and say that's not his fault, but the truth is, he's had 5 other opportunities to take out Nadal at RG and he never got close.
Nadal otoh DID beat the greatest grass courter to take Wimbledon...
That is true, when you are right you are right.
The ATP should revoke Nadal's USO 2010 title quoting the seeding anomaly - his whole draw was outrageous, even his fans were quiet and embarrassed.
The ATP should revoke Fed's RG 2009 title for facing a slam final virgin and world renowned Fed pigeon in the final.
Not all of Fed's draws have been difficult either, but I don't expect any *******'s to ever admit it.
Wow, never realized that.
According to some around here Federer is a little like that Australian speed skater, Stephen Bradbury, in the Olympics who coasted to a gold medal when the whole of the rest of the field fell over in front of him.
The only difference is that Federer has managed to do it 17 times minus the times he's defeated Nadal - the only tennis player in the world who is not a mug apparently. I never realised it was so easy to win a Grand Slam. More people should get in on this gimmick.
Nadal and Federer have had a few easy draws, but why do people automatically assume that they ONLY won because of the draw? Nadal would have probably made the US Open final whoever he played, the only question would be could either Djokovic or Federer beat him? They weren't playing great that year, but they would have had to play not just a very good standard, but at their very best, which doesn't happen all the time. Playing very good might not have been enough.
I think you said that to someone, but then I started seeing you responding to me again. maybe you got me mixed up with some other dude.
No. I mean pick a Fed draw if you like, but Wimbledon this year was certainly not easier. Djokovic PLUS Murray is greater than Djokovic plus all of the guys in the US Open draw put together.Murray destroyed Fed at the olympics on grass in a way not even Nadal managed. Ok Fed is older and was tired but still, you don't do that if you are some joke player. Murray proved this by winning the very next slam. How can you seriously argue any of the other players apart from Djokovic are harder than Murray?
Also funny that 2 of the players are in BOTH draws.
Most of the time the top 4 are going to make the semis anyway, all the talk of tough draws doesn't mean THAT much til you get to the quarters/semis. Djokovic/Murray is a lot harder than Youzhny/Djokovic especially 2010 Djokovic vs 2012 Djokovic.
Not saying Federer hasn't had easy draws, but that's not one that's easier than the US Open 2010. Tbh, the easiest draw I've seen in a long while was RG 2010. But Not bashing Nadal as he would have won that whoever he played.
Funny how you forgot to mention that Nadal played 3 exhausted players in the row (Q, S, F) who had epic 5 setters before playing Nadal.
That's a load of crap. In 2004 Fed beat Hewitt and Nalby both of whom owned Federer up to this point. Also he beat Safin who was a two time finalist at that point and who beat Fed next year at the same place. That's right here a harder draw than Nadal had at USO 2010.
Lol how you mention Nadal played exhausted players in USO 2010 but you fail to mention how exhausted Safin was in that AO04 final.....
Not only that, but the Novak - Fed 5 setter wasn't very long at all and Novak was fully rested after having the Sunday off....
Easiest slam draws (for winners) in open era:
1- Sampras: Wimbledon 2000: highest ranked opponent: # 21
2- Sampras: Wimbledon 1997: # 18
3- Sampras: Wimbledon 1998: # 17
4- Agassi: AO 2003: # 16
5- Wilander: AO 1984: # 15/ 21
6- Agassi: AO 2001: # 15/18
7- Kafelnikov: AO 1999: 13
8- Lendl: RG 1986: 12
9- Johansson: AO 2002: 11/ 23
10- Wilander: RG 1988: 11/ 14
11- Lendl: AO 1989: 11/ 13
12- Edberg: AO 1987: 9/ 24
13- Ferrero: RG 2003: 9/ 20
14- Courier: RG 1992: 8
15- Nadal: RG 2010: 7/ 21
16- Sampras: USO 1993: 7/ 14
17- Costa: RG 2002: 7/ 11
18- Hewitt: USO 2001: 7/ 10
19- Federer: W 2003: 6/ 12/ 45
20- Federer: W 2009: 6/ 12/ 32
21- Muster: RG 1995: 6/ 9
22- Federer: AO 2006: 5/ 25
23- Sampras: AO 1997: 5/ 13
24- Federer: RG 2009: 5/ 10
And this is a complete list of the slams won without having to play a top 4 player. Enjoy! (Notice that Nadal has 1, Djoko 0 and Fed 4. Sampras has 5, Agassi: 2. )
Has Nadal ever beaten both Murray and Djokovic in any slam he has gone on to win ? Not that I can recall.
LOL how you forgot to mention that Nadal needed 9-7 in the 5th and lack of lights before beating out sorts due to recent mono Federer.
There have been similar lists for slam draws among top 4 where Nadal would always win hands down (meaning easiest draws) considering the top 10 players faced. There must be enough threads with these statistics already, but not in a mood to dig them out now.
Average rank of all opponents would be much more informative. But I highly doubt you will post it because it would expose Nadal's topical clown draws.
By doing an average, which is much less significant. The players who are hard to beat are the top 4 or 5. The lower one goes, the less significant the ranking is. Average does not give an accurate perception of the difficulty.
Toughest slam draws in open era (for winners): 3 top 8 with at least 1 in top 4:
1- Stich: Wimbledon 1991: highest ranked opponents: 4, 2, 1
2- Djokovic: AO 2012: 5, 4, 2
3- Nadal: RG 2011: 5, 4, 3, (37)
4- Federer: USO 2007: 5, 4, 3 (60)
5- Lendl: USO 1985: 6, 4, 1
6- Sampras: USO 1990: 6, 4, 3
7- Djokovic: AO 2011: 6, 5, 2
8- Cash: W 1987: 7, 3, 1
9- Edberg: USO 1992: 7, 4, 3
AFAIK, this is a complete list as well. The most common situation is to have 2 top 8 to beat to win a slam.
Interesting list.sampras has the first 3 and all at Wimby lol. Federer's highest place is 19th.
To be honest though this is impossible to work out. The toughest draw is playing the guys who are playing best at the time regardless of ranking and the way players matchup also plays a part.
But good work crunching the numbers anyway, still useful to see
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