Federer and Djokovic do not hold these records on their own but in Rafa's case, no one else has done it. Saying Djokovic was within 2 sets of 4 in a row is really a non-starter. They could all claim the nearly missed titles of which there are many. You can't credit someone with something they could have done if.....But I must say Djokovic's 4 in a row (It's same thing as CYGS , the guy won all 4, and was 2 sets away from making it 6 in a row)
and Federer's five in a row at two slams with 4 happening together are criminally underrated.
It's not possible to compare team sport to individual sport.We are in the presence of history. We will never, ever, see any other player dominate a Grand Slam like him.
Michael Jordan won 6/6 NBA finals. Impressive. Rafael Nadal won 12/12 Roland-Garros finals.
Djokovic made 4 in a row winning RG without facing Nadal, as Nadal was injured and out of form. Not a comparable achievement at all.To be honest, @clayqueen, I don't think I can completely disagree. The number is astonishing as is the no of 3/4 peats he has there. It might really be the greatest achievement.
But I must say Djokovic's 4 in a row (It's same thing as CYGS , the guy won all 4, and was 2 sets away from making it 6 in a row)
and Federer's five in a row at two slams with 4 happening together are criminally underated.
Lol FO was over a week ago and VB still celebrate? Guess that is because they won't be able to do so until FO2020 (maybe even longer)
Maybe because Nadal winning another FO is boring overload. Federer beating a 4.0 player in a pro vs amateur exho is more interesting to me than Nadal winning the FO.Fed devotees' celebration of Fed's AO17 win lasted for much longer than a week.
Feb 12, 2017: "Federer Fans! Which victory was more magical: 2012 Wimbledon or 2017 Australian Open?"
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...012-wimbledon-or-2017-australian-open.583302/
Feb 19, 2017: "Federer takes Australian Open trophy to top of Swiss Alps"
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...lian-open-trophy-to-top-of-swiss-alps.583747/
Feb 27, 2017: "Federer's career performance at the Aussie Open"
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...career-performance-at-the-aussie-open.584286/
Mar 10, 2017: "Putting Federer's 2017 Australian Open win - Grand Slam Longevity in Perspective"
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...n-grand-slam-longevity-in-perspective.585066/
Jul 26, 2017: "Australian Open 2017 final vs Australian Open 2012 final (which final match was better)?"
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...12-final-which-final-match-was-better.595330/
...and more.
Maybe because Nadal winning another FO is boring overload. Federer beating a 4.0 player in a pro vs amateur exho is more interesting to me than Nadal winning the FO.
Just proves that you are incapable of assessing greatness.Maybe because Nadal winning another FO is boring overload. Federer beating a 4.0 player in a pro vs amateur exho is more interesting to me than Nadal winning the FO.
Lololol good one.Fed devotees' celebration of Fed's AO17 win lasted for much longer than a week.
Feb 12, 2017: "Federer Fans! Which victory was more magical: 2012 Wimbledon or 2017 Australian Open?"
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...012-wimbledon-or-2017-australian-open.583302/
Feb 19, 2017: "Federer takes Australian Open trophy to top of Swiss Alps"
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...lian-open-trophy-to-top-of-swiss-alps.583747/
Feb 27, 2017: "Federer's career performance at the Aussie Open"
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...career-performance-at-the-aussie-open.584286/
Mar 10, 2017: "Putting Federer's 2017 Australian Open win - Grand Slam Longevity in Perspective"
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...n-grand-slam-longevity-in-perspective.585066/
Jul 26, 2017: "Australian Open 2017 final vs Australian Open 2012 final (which final match was better)?"
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...12-final-which-final-match-was-better.595330/
...and more.
This is indeed utter dominance. Such records at a single slam and on a single surface have never been posted before. I don't think I will witness another in my lifetime. What makes it sweeter is that he did it in an era which contains two other all time greats.
Well 20 > 12. You have to be ombiliably stupid to argue otherwise. But by that same logic, 12 RGs is better than 8 Wimbledons, etc etc.Rafa's achievement is incredible at RG, but obviously not as great as 20 total slams. Most people wouldn't even consider it a debatable point, but most people aren't on TTW.
Rafa's achievement is incredible at RG, but obviously not as great as 20 total slams. Most people wouldn't even consider it a debatable point, but most people aren't on TTW.
I don't know that it is the greatest achievement but its certainly up there as one of the greatest achievements at least.I believe that Rafa's record on clay, particularly at RG, will stand for the rest of time. He is the only player in the history of tennis to totally dominate one surface at every level.
To be honest, @clayqueen, I don't think I can completely disagree. The number is astonishing as is the no of 3/4 peats he has there. It might really be the greatest achievement.
But I must say Djokovic's 4 in a row (It's same thing as CYGS , the guy won all 4, and was 2 sets away from making it 6 in a row)
and Federer's five in a row at two slams with 4 happening together are criminally underated.
Remember when someone won 7 in France and people started to think there was something not quite right? Anything suspicious in getting 12?
Winning a CYGS is not even close to winning 12 titles in a single slam. That is 7 rounds in Bo5 for 12 years! That is, in Rafa's case, turning up for 14 years and losing only 2 matches out of 95. A player could strike lucky in a year when, for instance, his rivals are sidelined and they get a free run and win all the slams. On Federer's best surfaces, he has played Wimbledon 20 times and has only won it 8 times, the USO 20 times and won it only 6 times, the AO 18 times and won it only 5 times. So Federer has 3 cracks of the whip and hasn't been able to win 12 titles in any one slam. That's how difficult it is to totally dominate a tournament.
Djokovic on hard court is no Borg on clay!Think about that hardcourts have the toughest competition and grass is the most prone to upsets.Not taking anything away from Nadal because his domination at the French is unbelievable, that's for sure, but think about these things too when you're talking about Fed not being able to dominate any slam the way Nadal did at RG. Federer played on hardcourts against Djokovic and this is like Nadal having Borg for rival at RG
Every expert report I have been reading across sports is saying Nadal at the FO is the greatest achievement is sport not just tennis.I believe that Rafa's record on clay, particularly at RG, will stand for the rest of time. He is the only player in the history of tennis to totally dominate one surface at every level.
Outdoor hard Nadal 8-3 Federer.Djokovic on hard court is no Borg on clay!
Rafa is as much a threat to Federer on grass and hardcourts as Djokovic is. Why do people assume that Djokovic is the ONLY one who can take Federer on on hard courts? It's better to make a case on the facts rather than just making assumptions. Apart from his AO title in 2008, Djokovic didn't start winning anything on any surface until 2011 when Federer was 30. Federer turned pro in 1998 and played his first slams in 1999 and he's still won less than 50% of the titles on grass and hardcourts. He had plenty of time to win titles before Rafa and Djoker were old enough to challenge him. Federer doesn't dominate any surface if the truth be known.
Federer v Nadal
Djokovic v Federer
Federer has not won the USO in the Nadal era though. Federer hasn't even been YE! since 2009 which definitely places a question mark as to how great he really was.Nadal has won the most titles at a slam (12X1), Federer has won the most titles at 2 slams (6X2), and Federer has won the most titles at 3 slams (5X3).
Federer has had to play into his late 30s to bump up his numbers.Nadal has won the most titles at a slam (12X1), Federer has won the most titles at 2 slams (6X2), and Federer has won the most titles at 3 slams (5X3).