Rafael Nadal is 19-10 vs Fedovic at Slams

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
If we remove the matches at the French Open, here's what we have in H2H in all other slams:

4-3 Nadal over Federer

5-3 Djokovic over Nadal
 
And why in the world should we remove RG? Just because it suits your agenda?
What do you expect from her? This is a person who can go in a moment from "Djokovic is done and will never win another masters" to "Djokovic will win the next 4 slams" and vice versa.

Anyway, do you expect something from Nadal in WTF?
 

Apun94

Hall of Fame
If we remove the matches at the French Open, here's what we have in H2H in all other slams:

4-3 Nadal over Federer

5-3 Djokovic over Nadal
It's so strange to me that in the last 15 years that they have been playing each other, Fedal have only met 7 times in slams outside the French.
And the same goes for Djokodal. Just times outside the French?
WE NEED MORE SLAM Fedalovic meetings!
 

Apun94

Hall of Fame
Nope. He’ll beat Zverev on Monday and then probably withdraw. Seen this in 2017. You?
I think Nadal is going to give it his all for just one tournament, to get the Year End#1. Dont tell me that it doesnt mean that much to Rafa.
Plus the injury is not in his knees or hands where it's almost impossible to continue if it gets worse. The only thing that is going to be affected is his serve, which if he doesnt put that much on it (and Nadal depends a lot on serve spin and placement, more than speed), he is still good enough to atleast reach the semis
 
Nope. He’ll beat Zverev on Monday and then probably withdraw. Seen this in 2017. You?
I don't see him beating Zverev. This is a truly terrible matchup for him on hardcourt. Their hardcourt matches couldn't be any closer, and Zverev also improved since AO 2017.
 
I think Nadal is going to give it his all for just one tournament, to get the Year End#1. Dont tell me that it doesnt mean that much to Rafa.
Plus the injury is not in his knees or hands where it's almost impossible to continue if it gets worse. The only thing that is going to be affected is his serve, which if he doesnt put that much on it (and Nadal depends a lot on serve spin and placement, more than speed), he is still good enough to atleast reach the semis
Serve is very important indoors.
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
I don't see him beating Zverev. This is a truly terrible matchup for him on hardcourt. Their hardcourt matches couldn't be any closer, and Zverev also improved since AO 2017.
Zverev has really improved? Not based on anything that has happened this year. He's the least of your worries. Med and Tsits will be tougher.
 

Apun94

Hall of Fame
Serve is very important indoors.
I agree but for Nadal, the more realistic goal is to reach the YE#1, than winning the whole thing. He can still rely on his superior movement and ground game to reach the SF atleast. So, I dont see him withdrawing from WTFs. Injured or not, he's going to give his all.
 

BringBackSV

Hall of Fame
If we remove the matches at the French Open, here's what we have in H2H in all other slams:

4-3 Nadal over Federer

5-3 Djokovic over Nadal
Why would we do something that nonsensical?

Even if you wanted to acknowledge the clay skew, where do you get off ignoring every single meeting on clay?
 
Zverev has really improved? Not based on anything that has happened this year. He's the least of your worries. Med and Tsits will be tougher.
Based on Zverev's results in the second half of 2018 nobody would ever expect him to win WTF. But he did, beating Federer and Djokovic. (and Djokovic actually had his cleanest run to WTF final, he faced like 2 break points during the tournament)

This is a player who can surprise with some good play at any moment. He is DEFINITELY a big threat to Nadal on these courts. As for threats in the group, I put him at the first place. Medvedev is a close second-easier matchup, but in great form this year and has a very strong mentality. Tsitsipas takes the last place, I will be very disappointed if Nadal can't beat him. (if he can't then he has nothing to do at this tournament anyway)
 
I agree but for Nadal, the more realistic goal is to reach the YE#1, than winning the whole thing. He can still rely on his superior movement and ground game to reach the SF atleast. So, I dont see him withdrawing from WTFs. Injured or not, he's going to give his all.
A semifinal will not give him the YE#1 though. So is there a reason to give it all? Last year he didn't give it all, he just withdrew from Paris and WTF. I don't see why this year should be different. He missed the YE#1. If he wanted to get it he needed to play better during the clay season. He has only himself to blame for being so terrible in Monte Carlo and Madrid.
 

Apun94

Hall of Fame
A semifinal will not give him the YE#1 though. So is there a reason to give it all? Last year he didn't give it all, he just withdrew from Paris and WTF. I don't see why this year should be different. He missed the YE#1. If he wanted to get it he needed to play better during the clay season. He has only himself to blame for being so terrible in Monte Carlo and Madrid.
I dont get why you have to be so negative about Rafa all the time. My initial point was that he isnt withdrawing from this tournament no matter what, simply because of the YE#1. Thats it. No way
 

Eren

Professional
He just means that they overplayed at RG.

RG --> 13 matches
WI --> 7 matches
AO --> 6 matches
UO --> 3 matches
Both Fred and Djoke suffered a lot at RG. I wonder what would have happened if Federer and Djokovic both were clowns at RG like Sampras. Nadal would never have gotten this big of an advantage. Those clay meetings translated to wins on other surfaces as well, at least that is what I believe.

Obviously, Djokovic has dealt better with those blows than Federer, but even Djokovic was dead after RG'13 and choked USO'13 (imo a win caused by the devastating loss at RG'13).
 
I dont get why you have to be so negative about Rafa all the time. My initial point was that he isnt withdrawing from this tournament no matter what, simply because of the YE#1. Thats it. No way
But he did it last year. So why wouldn't he do it now? Nadal doesn't care too much about it, otherwise he would have played Shanghai. To be honest, I feel like Nadal lost interest in tennis. Hope I'm wrong, but this is how it looks like.
 

Sport

Legend
As a Fed fan I see Rafa dominated clay against Fed and Djoker caught Fed when he was old.

But as a tennis fan... it is what it is.
As a Nadal fan, I see Nadal also defeated young Federer at Wimbledon 2008 and the Australian Open 2009, and has always led the H2H over Federer in outdoor hard, even in 2004-2007.

As a Djokovic fan, I think Federer was still at his peak till 2017, given his fantastic 2017, if not till 2019 given his excellent RG and WB performances.

As a Federer fan, I see Nadal only has 2 legit victories against non-old Federer in real Slams. All other matches of Federer against Djokodal are not valid, as Federer was old.

As a Sampras fan, I am so happy that Federer is being surpassed as my boy was.

As a Laver fan, I think Nadal and Djokovic cannot match Federer, because Federer has a classic gamestyle, his game is artistic, not merely effective.
 

Sport

Legend
He just means that they overplayed at RG.

RG --> 13 matches
WI --> 7 matches
AO --> 6 matches
UO --> 3 matches
Which is like saying that "Federer overplayed when he was old".

So all matches of Djokovic against Federer are not overplaying but RG matches of Djokovic against Nadal are "overplaying"? You only count matches when it favors your boy? I think it is better to consider all H2H matches equally worth of consideration, rather than cherry-picking which ones are "overplaying" and which ones are not.
 

Eren

Professional
Which is like saying that "Federer overplayed when he was old",

So all matches of Djokovic against Federer are not overplaying but RG matches of Djokovic against Nadal are "overplaying"? You only count matches when it favors your boy? I think it is better to consider all H2H matches equally worth of consideration, rather than cherry-picking which ones are "overplaying" and which ones are not.
Since 2014, Djokovic's wins are overplayed and severely overrated by his own fans. Some of them even created a new myth, the 'age is meaningless' myth. Players get better and better nowadays. It's a shame most football players quit at 33 or go to America/Asia instead of staying in Europe because they're supposedly peaking. As people say, 33 is the new 27 and in the future 40 is the new 27 and 27 will be the new 14 and 17 will be the new 0.
 

Sport

Legend
Both Fred and Djoke suffered a lot at RG. I wonder what would have happened if Federer and Djokovic both were clowns at RG like Sampras. Nadal would never have gotten this big of an advantage. Those clay meetings translated to wins on other surfaces as well, at least that is what I believe.

Obviously, Djokovic has dealt better with those blows than Federer, but even Djokovic was dead after RG'13 and choked USO'13 (imo a win caused by the devastating loss at RG'13).
A choke or merely Nadal played better that day? I don't think he was close enough to win the match to say he choked. He had his chances in the 3th set, but he only won 1 set. The most you can say is that he choked the 3th set (or maybe Nadal was just clutch).

To say that Djokovic choked the USO 2013 final is like saying that Nadal choked the AO 2012 final or the WB 2018 semifinal. Just because our favorite player lost a disputed match it does not follow that he "choked" (unless he has multiple match points with his serve).
 

Eren

Professional
A choke or merely Nadal played better that day? I don't think he was close enough to win the match to say he choked. He had his chances in the 3th set, but he only won 1 set. The most you can say is that he choked the 3th set (or maybe Nadal was just clutch).

To say that Djokovic choked the USO 2013 final is like saying that Nadal choked the AO 2012 final or the WB 2018 semifinal. Just because our favorite player lost a disputed match it does not follow that he "choked" (unless he has multiple match points with his serve).
Well, my favourite player is Federer so I don't give a damn about Djokovic. For me he choked since he was 1-1 in sets and a break up and completely collapsed and did not show any figthing spirit after it. That's the thing if you're neutral between two players. You can see reality. Since my fav player is used to choking, I can see chokes from a million miles away and UO'13 was a choke.
 
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