Rafael Nadal must consider grass future after Wimbledon - Becker

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Rafael Nadal must consider grass future after Wimbledon - Becker

By David Ornstein and Paul Birch

Boris Becker has questioned whether Rafael Nadal should continue playing on grass after he suffered a shock exit at Wimbledon for the second year running.

"He definitely has to consider whether grass has a future for him," three-time Wimbledon winner Becker told BBC Sport.

"I almost thought that he should contemplate not playing this year."

"This is a big, big shock. Nadal has come back from injury so strongly this year but he was playing mainly on clay. Grass is very different compared to the other surfaces. Your movement is different and you have to have healthy legs because you're changing direction, you're slipping and sliding.

"Even though he won all those tournaments, Nadal had been struggling somewhat with the knee and I always thought he might struggle at Wimbledon this year. I almost thought that he should contemplate not playing because he was out for a long time and you shouldn't underestimate it.

"Early on in the match I thought, 'This isn't the Nadal I've seen in Paris, this isn't the Nadal that won Rome'. Credit to Darcis; he took his chance, played aggressively, wasn't afraid, went for the groundstrokes and went for the serve. He kept his composure, wasn't getting too nervous, wasn't getting too crazy out there and and ended up achieving something you don't do every day.

"In a way, maybe it's a good thing for Nadal because if he had been knocked out in, say, the fourth round or quarter-finals it would have put a lot of strain on the legs. Now he has a few more days and weeks off and he can think about his schedule for the rest of the year.

"Nadal wasn't confident in his movement - normally that's his best part. He wasn't confident, he was hitting a lot of unforced errors and I was wondering, 'Why is he making these errors? The ball was there!'. Then I observed a bit better and noticed his foot placement wasn't the way it normally is, especially when he had to move. When he was set, he was good. But when he had to move, he wasn't the same and he didn't have that solid base he had on the clay.

"If you have a knee problem, grass is the worst surface. Hard courts are not as bad because you have a firm position, you can put your foot down and stand up to hit the ball - the bounce is higher so you don't have to bend as low. I wouldn't worry about Nadal playing on hard courts or indoors, but I always thought grass was an issue.
"In terms of his whole career, he has answered the questions. He won the French Open and, in my opinion, is the player of the year so far. He is surrounded by great people and I'm not going to suggest anything to him but, from an outside point of view, he definitely has to reconsider his future on grass."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/23040937
 
He won the French Open 2 and a half weeks ago.

And he didnt play in between. So make sense of his limping on court.

If his limping was legitimate, then his tennis future is under question. He did better last year at W and went out for 7 months, right?
 
And he didnt play in between. So make sense of his limping on court.

Having to bend down more to hit the ball during the match, having a much less secure footing on the court. Nadal gave up on some shots, when he would normally have at least gotten a racquet to it. He seemed reluctant to move into his backhand shots with any power.

If his limping was legitimate, then his tennis future is under question. He did better last year at W and went out for 7 months, right?

I don't know, but it is very concerning.
 
Having to bend down more to hit the ball during the match, having a much less secure footing on the court. Nadal gave up on some shots, when he would normally have at least gotten a racquet to it. He seemed reluctant to move into his backhand shots with any power.



I don't know, but it is very concerning.

rofl. That isn't how tendinitis works. You keyboard physicians are a joke.

First it's the impact of hard courts that aggravates his knees and now it's the bending on grass. He'll make any dumb excuse for his losses.

How about the 5 hour long matches with 30 stroke rallies on clay courts? How come those don't aggravate his knees, but a few short rallies on grass does?
 
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And he didnt play in between. So make sense of his limping on court.

If his limping was legitimate, then his tennis future is under question. He did better last year at W and went out for 7 months, right?

Well, not having played a grass tournament before would have factored in.
 
It's hard to disagree with Becker, but Wimbledon is the pinnacle so it's hard not to want to reach it.
 
rofl. That isn't how tendinitis works. You keyboard physicians are a joke.

First it's the impact of hard courts that aggravates his knees (which would be legitimate if he hurt his knees during the slow hard court season) and now it's the bending on grass. He'll make any dumb excuse for his losses.

Nadal hasn't said anything about it yet.

Hardcourts are tough in terms of being rough on the joints as you stretch and slide, but grass now seems to be a problem for Nadal in terms of his footwork and his knee problem.
 
Nadal hasn't said anything about it yet.

Hardcourts are tough in terms of being rough on the joints as you stretch and slide, but grass now seems to be a problem for Nadal in terms of his footwork and his knee problem.

Yeah and once he starts losing on clay he'll find some excuse as to why clay hurts his knees. The guy just can't admit defeat and neither can his fans.
 
What the heck are you talking about? What's with this indignation?

Nobody wants to accept that Nadal has just declined. He isn't fast enough to play his clay court game on grass anymore. They want to look for injury excuses that aren't there. His fake limping during the 3rd set was beyond pathetic and foreshadowed some sort of injury excuse from him.
 
Nobody wants to accept that Nadal has just declined. He isn't fast enough to play his clay court game on grass anymore.

Hey, I've always said that Nadal's peak was April to August 2008.

They want to look for injury excuses that aren't there. His fake limping during the 3rd set was beyond pathetic and foreshadowed some sort of injury excuse from him.

Fake limping? For goodness sake. You want to have your cake and eat it with your attacks on Nadal. According to you, he's declined (why?), yet is faking an injury.
 
Hey, I've always said that Nadal's peak was April to August 2008.



Fake limping? For goodness sake. You want to have your cake and eat it with your attacks on Nadal. According to you, he's declined (why?), yet is faking an injury.

what does injury have to do with decline?
 
what does injury have to do with decline?

In Nadal's case, a lot, considering that he had a career threatening foot injury in late 2005 and has needed specialised shoes. And his knee injuries and tendinitis are well documented.
 
Yeah and once he starts losing on clay he'll find some excuse as to why clay hurts his knees. The guy just can't admit defeat and neither can his fans.

He did have an excuse for losing on clay. It was last year when Madrid turned to blue clay. The color change was the reason for losing early in the tournament.
 
Hey, I've always said that Nadal's peak was April to August 2008.



Fake limping? For goodness sake. You want to have your cake and eat it with your attacks on Nadal. According to you, he's declined (why?), yet is faking an injury.

Explain the conflict in logic with what I said. He was going to lose because he sucks now and he wants to use his knees as an excuse.
 
Explain the conflict in logic with what I said. He was going to lose because he sucks now and he wants to use his knees as an excuse.

He didn't, even as journalists were trying to compel him to talk about his problems. What is Nadal supposed to do exactly? He's damned whatever he does in the eyes of his critics.
 
He didn't, even as journalists were trying to compel him to talk about his problems. What is Nadal supposed to do exactly? He's damned whatever he does in the eyes of his critics.

He didn't need to say anything. Yet.

But he knew if he put on an act for a few seconds it would get everyone talking about his knee problems and other people would make the excuse for him.
 
He didn't need to say anything. Yet.

But he knew if he put on an act for a few seconds it would get everyone talking about his knee problems and other people would make the excuse for him.

Like I said, he's damned whatever he does in the eyes of his critics.
 
Like I said, he's damned whatever he does in the eyes of his critics.

he done it to himself......cried wolf far too many times now..

he developed a little limp in between points when he was about to go 2 sets down against Brands in the FO,played ok though and i didnt see any signs of an injury until the 3rd set against Darcis....when other top players lose do the press automatically assume they were injured? the con job is getting out of hand
 
Completely disagree with Becker. Wimbledon is the holy grail and if suggesting Nadal to skip it is like asking Messi or Cristiano to skip The World Cup.
 
Completely disagree with Becker. Wimbledon is the holy grail and if suggesting Nadal to skip it is like asking Messi or Cristiano to skip The World Cup.

Have Messi or Ronaldo won the World Cup?

Has Nadal won Wimbledon?

Who has achieved the "holy grail"?
 
And he didnt play in between. So make sense of his limping on court.

If his limping was legitimate, then his tennis future is under question. He did better last year at W and went out for 7 months, right?

Stop dreaming. Nadal will be around--and at Wimbledon for years to come. Pro athletes have access to the most advanced physicians on earth, and can recieve treatment to keep them going for years to come. As a ESPN talking head observed about Kobe Bryant's many threatening injuries, (paraphrasing) "after going to Germany (for some sort of surgery/treatment), he played like he got 5 years back." All injuries and the surgical responses are different, but if Nadal goes to a doctor like the one who treated Bryant, the tour better watch out, as he will be a force no one will be able handle.
 
Modern medicine isn't necessarily that advanced.

There are so many ailments that we can't successfully treat or even diagnose.
 
Have Messi or Ronaldo won the World Cup?

Has Nadal won Wimbledon?

Who has achieved the "holy grail"?

You still don't get the point.

Pele have won the World Cup but why does he continue to play? Because it the holy grail in soccer, just like Wimbledon is the holy grail in tennis.
 
You still don't get the point.

Pele have won the World Cup but why does he continue to play? Because it the holy grail in soccer, just like Wimbledon is the holy grail in tennis.

I don't know what you mean. Pele is 72 years old.
 
Stop dreaming. Nadal will be around--and at Wimbledon for years to come. Pro athletes have access to the most advanced physicians on earth, and can recieve treatment to keep them going for years to come. As a ESPN talking head observed about Kobe Bryant's many threatening injuries, (paraphrasing) "after going to Germany (for some sort of surgery/treatment), he played like he got 5 years back." All injuries and the surgical responses are different, but if Nadal goes to a doctor like the one who treated Bryant, the tour better watch out, as he will be a force no one will be able handle.

This Nadal needs more than a surgery. He needs a titanium hip and kneecap at the minimum and to get 5 years back at least a wig as well.
 
Stop pretending to be dense.

Pele help his country by winning the Word Cup in 58'. However he continue to participated in 62', 66', and 70'.

I still don't get it. Nadal has always participated at Wimbledon, except for 2004 and 2009, when he missed it through injury.
 
I still don't get it. Nadal has always participated at Wimbledon, except for 2004 and 2009, when he missed it through injury.

Read the title and of this thread. Becker is suggesting that Nadal should continue to play the clay season but forget Wimbledon, which is dumb.
 
That's BS, he can play on grass. He just shouldn't try to play every possible clay court event in the spring, I understand he likes to build up points, but at what cost. He is already the king of clay. He has absolutely nothing left to prove on clay on Nole is getting to be even with on that surface. I'm sure clay is easier on his knees but I can't see how grinding every single point like hedoes can be easy on his body overall.
 
Yeah and once he starts losing on clay he'll find some excuse as to why clay hurts his knees. The guy just can't admit defeat and neither can his fans.

Lol, you're relentless, and the NNN are like an NBA player who just got dunked on, hard-they want to look at ANYBODY but the guy who just posterized them. Their dog-ate-my-homework stories are hilarious.
 
Read the title and of this thread. Becker is suggesting that Nadal should continue to play the clay season but forget Wimbledon, which is dumb.

Becker is an idiot and imo Nadal should do the exact opposite of what Becker is suggesting.
 
He didn't, even as journalists were trying to compel him to talk about his problems. What is Nadal supposed to do exactly? He's damned whatever he does in the eyes of his critics.

What is he supposed to do? How about, "I wasn't injured," or, "I was fit enough." I'll even allow, "I didn't play my best, and, today, my opponent was too good." But, nooooo, he had to slip in the answer TODAY is not the time to talk about injuries. But you can bet your last dollar that there WILL be a day to talk about it, and soon.

Right now, it seems that players between Rosol's height and Darci's, who have one handed or two handed backhands, and who have won at least 25% of their matches are giving him trouble on grass. Pretty big range, don't ya think?:-P:smile::wink::rolleyes:
 
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Stop dreaming. Nadal will be around--and at Wimbledon for years to come. Pro athletes have access to the most advanced physicians on earth, and can recieve treatment to keep them going for years to come. As a ESPN talking head observed about Kobe Bryant's many threatening injuries, (paraphrasing) "after going to Germany (for some sort of surgery/treatment), he played like he got 5 years back." All injuries and the surgical responses are different, but if Nadal goes to a doctor like the one who treated Bryant, the tour better watch out, as he will be a force no one will be able handle.

I have a feeling that he's already BEEN to some of those advanced doctors, but for "treatment," not surgery, and maybe the lasting power of same is, oh, about 2 weeks...
 
Becker is an idiot and imo Nadal should do the exact opposite of what Becker is suggesting.

Oh, THERE you are. Haven't seen you around much the last couple of days. Remember your puzzlement at my saying that Murray and BP's chances weren't nearly as strong as many people thought? Any additional thoughts now?
 
Oh, THERE you are. Haven't seen you around much the last couple of days. Remember your puzzlement at my saying that Murray and BP's chances weren't nearly as strong as many people thought? Any additional thoughts now?

My thoughts are that I am very surprised that Nadal went out in round one but I still stand by my comment that if Nadal did make it into the second week he probably would have defeated both Federer and Murray and would have had a good chance to defeat Djokovic in the final. We will never know now.
 
My thoughts are that I am very surprised that Nadal went out in round one but I still stand by my comment that if Nadal did make it into the second week he probably would have defeated both Federer and Murray and would have had a good chance to defeat Djokovic in the final. We will never know now.

Not even close. If Nadal would have made it to Federer, he would have probably been bageled or bread-sticked.

Nadal decided to skip the only warm-up grass tournament available to him. That means he was injured. NOBODY on the tour (especially a clay player) misses a grass warm-up tournament before Wimbledon unless they are either injured or attending a funeral. It is suicide.

An injured Nadal beats absolutely nobody. His whole game depends on movement. That isn't to say that a healthy Nadal doesn't lose... but an injured Nadal absolutely never wins.
 
Not even close. If Nadal would have made it to Federer, he would have probably been bageled or bread-sticked.

Nadal decided to skip the only warm-up grass tournament available to him. That means he was injured. NOBODY on the tour (especially a clay player) misses a grass warm-up tournament before Wimbledon unless they are either injured or attending a funeral. It is suicide.

An injured Nadal beats absolutely nobody. His whole game depends on movement. That isn't to say that a healthy Nadal doesn't lose... but an injured Nadal absolutely never wins.

Fed skipped in 2007, 2009, 2011, and wanted to skip in 2012 until they threw a hissy fit about it.
 
My thoughts are that I am very surprised that Nadal went out in round one but I still stand by my comment that if Nadal did make it into the second week he probably would have defeated both Federer and Murray and would have had a good chance to defeat Djokovic in the final. We will never know now.

Well, I agree with your last sentence, anyway. And your statement kind of falls into the "Other than THAT, Mrs. Lincoln, did you enjoy the theater?" category, don't you think? Oh, I get it, you think he would've "played himself into form" if he could just get by those pesky 100-something ranked players...
 
I can't believe how much the haters come out when Nadal loses, and on top of that, how very very sad they are.
 
I agree that Nadal has to revisit his approach to playing at Wimbledon. Yet, I don't think he'll consider skipping the event. It's too important and he has to play it unless he really has serious injury issues going forward. I certainly hope that's not the case, because it seems so recent that he could play great grass court tennis!
 
I can't believe how much the haters come out when Nadal loses, and on top of that, how very very sad they are.

Every single time. No other player gets this much pure hatred. Look at this place since he lost; it's been flooded with gleeful haters starting multiple threads to rub it in.
 
Honestly, I don't see how this loss changes anything. Nadal really shouldn't be winning on grass anyway. Isn't this how it should work? The clay-court specialist who struggles off of clay? I prefer it this way. The guy isn't any less of a threat on clay, and that's when he should have his glory. I think the unusual thing is that he ever won Wimbledon.
 
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