Rafael Nadal on his return, Federer, and Davis Cup

yung goon said:
just like the olympics were...
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Yes, ill admit that Nadal had an amazing run at the Olympics he was really on fire, on the other hand i have never seen Fed so down and bad as in the Olympics, id say the Gold medal with Stan saved his career, after that he swept the Us Open,finals of AO, won FO and Wimbledon.
 
VivalaVida said:
but olympics are far less demanding than Grand Slams. The matches arent best of 5 sets and you dont have to play as many matches. You have a good point though, I saw Rafa will win US open atleast 1 time in his career.
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Sure, i think Rafa will be the youngest ever to have a career slam no doubt, but he will never ctach Federers 15. And he will not win UsO this year,maybe next year, id say his best chances ever will be next year.
 
yung goon said:
i didnt watch the match live i saw most of it on youtube. many people pointed out that he said "i cant go on the pain is too great" or something along the lines. he doesnt just make that up.
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You are right, Nadal said exactly that to uncle Toni. That was in the second set, as I recall. Those who deny that fact either didn't watch the match or are simply lying. Without the grave injury, Nadal would have straight-setted Soderling dropping a couple of games at most. Their meeting in Rome was illustrative of how they match up on clay.
 
goyeji said:
You are right, Nadal said exactly that to uncle Toni. That was in the second set, as I recall. Those who deny that fact either didn't watch the match or are simply lying. Without the grave injury, Nadal would have straight-setted Soderling dropping a couple of games at most. Their meeting in Rome was illustrative of how they match up on clay.
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Oh come on where did u come from!? Man in the box!? Soderling BLEW Nadal off court there was NOTHING he could have done even if he had friggin wheels under his feet or wings on his shoulders! Can u show me that clip on Youtube plz?
 
goyeji said:
You are right, Nadal said exactly that to uncle Toni. That was in the second set, as I recall. Those who deny that fact either didn't watch the match or are simply lying. Without the grave injury, Nadal would have straight-setted Soderling dropping a couple of games at most. Their meeting in Rome was illustrative of how they match up on clay.
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bam! what now duck?
 
TheMagicianOfPrecision said:
Oh come on where did u come from!? Man in the box!? Soderling BLEW Nadal off court there was NOTHING he could have done even if he had friggin wheels under his feet or wings on his shoulders! Can u show me that clip on Youtube plz?
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Oh but the fact is that Nadal DIDN'T have wheels or wings, in fact he didn't even have legs due to injury and unbearable pain. I watched the live broadcast in high-definition, and remember the moment very well. I don't know what kind of junk is floating on youtube these days, but maybe you could do a search and find it.
 
goyeji said:
Oh but the fact is that Nadal DIDN'T have wheels or wings, in fact he didn't even have legs due to injury and unbearable pain. I watched the live broadcast in high-definition, and remember the moment very well. I don't know what kind of junk is floating on youtube these days, but maybe you could do a search and find it.
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If what YOU said was true, THAT would be all over the Youtube ill tell u that for sure!
 
goyeji said:
Oh but the fact is that Nadal DIDN'T have wheels or wings, in fact he didn't even have legs due to injury and unbearable pain. I watched the live broadcast in high-definition, and remember the moment very well. I don't know what kind of junk is floating on youtube these days, but maybe you could do a search and find it.
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Unbearable pain??? Are u serious??? He ran for 3,5 hours like a friggin rabbit!
 
VivalaVida said:
LOL. No he didnt. Bunch of sad fans were watching and put words in his mouth. Why would Rafa even talk to Toni in english anyway..
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He said it in Spanish. This is an English language forum, so translated quotes are the norm here. Some people are grasping at straws here.
 
goyeji said:
He said it in Spanish. This is an English language forum, so translated quotes are the norm here. Some people are grasping at straws here.
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I understand that you are talking about yourself.
 
I'll say it again...

If Nadal said "the pain is too much" or something to that affect, don't you think the media would have picked up on it, he would've been asked a/b it in the post match presser by the people who were actually AT THE MATCH, at least some mention of it would have been made in the various reports after the match? But no, not one source has Nadal saying anything to the affect of "I can't the pain is too much" Go back to the match thread, no mention was made of anything of this sort being said. It's just some myth being perpetuated by the keyboard monkeys of TTW.
 
goyeji said:
Once again, a healthy Nadal is two levels above Soderling on clay. Nadal in severe pain playing at 25% is on par with Soderling, and the match looks competitive.
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Do u realize that a player ranked top 30 in the world in fact CAN beat the world no1 if he has a FANTASTIC day (like Soderling did) and the world no1 isnt on top?? How long have u been following tennis? 3 months?
 
goyeji said:
He said it in Spanish. This is an English language forum, so translated quotes are the norm here. Some people are grasping at straws here.
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No he didnt. He is more of a man than his fans who make excuses for him. You are the one clutching at straws
 
TheMagicianOfPrecision said:
Do u realize that a player ranked top 30 in the world in fact CAN beat the world no1 if he has a FANTASTIC day (like Soderling did) and the world no1 isnt on top?? How long have u been following tennis? 3 months?
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Of course he can - clearly, he did. While his opponent was limping in severe pain and playing at 25%. Fantastic day, indeed.
 
TheMagicianOfPrecision said:
Sure, i think Rafa will be the youngest ever to have a career slam no doubt, but he will never ctach Federers 15. And he will not win UsO this year,maybe next year, id say his best chances ever will be next year.
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how do you know FOR SURE that he will not get 15? he might not, but you really have no idea. he most certainly has the talent to surpass 15.
 
goyeji said:
Of course he can - clearly, he did. While his opponent was limping in severe pain and playing at 25%. Fantastic day, indeed.
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Rafael Nadal was limping and playing at 25 %?? Great...you are SO objective
 
yung goon said:
he already has 6 at 23 he has a better h2h against everyone in the top 10 hes proven he can do it its just a matter if his knees wanna hold up
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That is impressive, but take a look at Lleyton Hewitt, Mats Wilander, Boris Becker, YOUNG PEAKS. Yes, Nadal has had better careers than them but it is physically impossible to hold up that level as you get older. And new young-guns will emerge...
 
jamesblakefan#1 said:
I'll say it again...

If Nadal said "the pain is too much" or something to that affect, don't you think the media would have picked up on it, he would've been asked a/b it in the post match presser by the people who were actually AT THE MATCH, at least some mention of it would have been made in the various reports after the match? But no, not one source has Nadal saying anything to the affect of "I can't the pain is too much" Go back to the match thread, no mention was made of anything of this sort being said. It's just some myth being perpetuated by the keyboard monkeys of TTW.
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VivalaVida said:
No he didnt. He is more of a man than his fans who make excuses for him. You are the one clutching at straws
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This is some kind of conspiracy theory being peddled on the forums apparently along with the doping fantasies. Denying the fact that Nadal said "I can't, the pain is too much" in Spanish to his uncle in the second set. It's a fact, but apparently an inconvenient truth for some here who don't like facts.

As an exemplary sportsman, Nadal wanted to give full credit to Soderling (even though none was due). That is why he later denied his comment about pain in press interviews.
 
namelessone said:
First of all,what's with all the insults? I am trying to have a discussion,to point out certain things,not to bicker on the freaking internet where any loser can play the tough guy.

Reading your post,I take it you have not seen many Nadal matches on clay this year,have you? He "destroyed" everyone at the RG? LOL at that.Did you see his first round match against the 31 old Daniel where he was being pushed around the court and if the old guy had more confidence he would have taken at least 1 set off Nadal.Gabashvili is a mediocre player and hewitt is a veteran with hip surgery who was playing on his worst surface.Yeah,tough opponents,there.And he also lost an exo on clay before RG to number 109 in the world.But I'm sure his knees were fine.Oh,wait,no they weren't,he himself said the he was playing with pains since Monte Carlo.

Go watch the soderling match again and see how Nadal signals to his uncle that he can't bend properly(in the 3rd set from what I remember).What was that all about? Probably nothing,right?I'm not going to blame knees for his RG exit.Nadal didn't,at least not in so many words.A lot of people here are implying that he did but his only statements were that he played with pain for some time,not that he got beat because of his knees.If he entered,he was fit enough,so there can be no excuses there.That's why he pulled out of Wimbledon.If entering RG with knee pains caused a 4th round exit for Nadal,what would have happened at Wimbly,on a surface where you have to bend more? He made the right call.

LOL again at the hewitt exo argument.Hewitt on clay is OK.Hewitt on grass is a much,much better player.Ask Del Potro.Did you stop to think why Nadal had such a good AO 09'? Because he rested his knees for 2 AND A HALF MONTHS after Paris Masters.And even so,he barely won AO,suffering a lot along the way.At the very first ATP event after AO,Rotterdam,he got injured in the final,this time in the ligament.So while you think it's all rosy and peachy it's not.His stupid scheduling made things worse.His clay season was ok because he won titles but he lacked form.He was nearly beaten twice by a not very confident djokovic who hadn't defended AO and had changed his racket and was beaten by Federer.Also in barca,if I am not mistaken,he went 4-0 in the second set against freaking verdasco of all people.He had some good matches that reminded of his clay form last year(like the soderling one in rome)but few and far between.

Please come back to me with the exact quote where Nadal says that he only lost to Soderling because of his knees.Thank you.
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By his words he would not enter a slam if he were not 100%. On top of that this is the most rested he will be before the US Open. Since he got to the semi's last year, this pretty much cinches a US Open title for him. Let's just wait and see then, shall we?

(p.s. I'm just really waiting for the next excuse he comes up with).
 
Anyone who watched the match knows that Soderling was on fire... he looked completely unbeatable that day. It reminded me of watching Tsonga at australia in 2008
 
goyeji said:
This is some kind of conspiracy theory being peddled on the forums apparently along with the doping fantasies. Denying the fact that Nadal said "I can't, the pain is too much" in Spanish to his uncle in the second set. It's a fact, but apparently an inconvenient truth for some here who don't like facts.

As an exemplary sportsman, Nadal wanted to give full credit to Soderling (even though none was due). That is why he later denied his comment about pain in press interviews.
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What a yoke. :lol:
 
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