Rafael Nadal out of ATP Madrid Masters.

mehdimike said:
And all of them crashed at the early stages of RG.
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Thiem, Rublev and PCB all made the quarters of both. And there's no reason to think Novak wouldn't have either if not for the fluke DQ.

Med lost 1st round of RG, but that's to be expected. Zverev lost 4R to Sinner, but I highly doubt that had anything to do with playing the USO, he constantly crashes out of majors early, especially back then.
 
Hitman said:
My friend, this is where opinions are going to stand in the way. No one should be forced to inject something into their bloodstream to do their job. So all this open stuff, IMO, no it wasn't open. This has never been a requirement, I have addressed this countless times, I don't wish to go into this again. So I will stop with this post. At USO 2020 there was nothing of the sort that was preventing any player from playing, no medical intrusion, or anything else, so I don't agree with you saying it is the same thing...Imagine they asked Nadal to believe in God to be allowed in to play a slam, and he said no, wouldn't you think that was just plain wrong? Anyway, if that is your point of discussion, we then unfortunately don't have anything to discuss on this.

Nadal CHOSE not to play USO because unlike Djokovic, Nadal STILL got to play his fav slam RG and he made his move, which paid off for him. It was Wimbledon that was removed from the schedule, Nadal could have played both if he wanted to without any issue. So we need to agree to disagree on this one, I'm afraid. If RG wasn't played, then absolutely, I would say Nadal got screwed in 2020.

The thing I agree with you is that the scheduling was a complete nightmare, but ultimately it was Novak's dominant slam that was removed.
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You say Nadal Still got to play his fav slam as if Novak hadn't played his fav one. He actually did play AO2020 which was prior to the pandemic. You said No one should be forced to inject etc. WHO said that? That was part of the protocols back then and literally EVEYONE did the same thing?! It's like saying no one should be forced to have a visa to enter any country at any moment. Every government and country has its own policy and people should follow that if they wanna visit that certain destination. Does that mean all of those guidelines are appropriate and effective? Absolutely not. But what can we do? It's not like that for example the USA introduced the vaccine policy for foreign visitors just to screw Novak Djokovic of Serbia to help Nadal. That's how governments see the situation.
 
mehdimike said:
You say Nadal Still got to play his fav slam as if Novak hadn't played his fav one. He actually did play AO2020 which was prior to the pandemic. You said No one should be forced to inject etc. WHO said that? That was part of the protocols back then and literally EVEYONE did the same thing?! It's like saying no one should be forced to have a visa to enter any country at any moment. Every government and country has its own policy and people should follow that if they wanna visit that certain destination. Does that mean all of those guidelines are appropriate and effective? Absolutely not. But what can we do? It's not like that for example the USA introduced the vaccine policy for foreign visitors just to screw Novak Djokovic of Serbia to help Nadal. That's how governments see the situation.
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Dude, let it go, I am not going around in a circle with you on this. Enjoy Alcaraz in Barcelona.
 
mehdimike said:
You say Nadal Still got to play his fav slam as if Novak hadn't played his fav one. He actually did play AO2020 which was prior to the pandemic. You said No one should be forced to inject etc. WHO said that? That was part of the protocols back then and literally EVEYONE did the same thing?! It's like saying no one should be forced to have a visa to enter any country at any moment. Every government and country has its own policy and people should follow that if they wanna visit that certain destination. Does that mean all of those guidelines are appropriate and effective? Absolutely not. But what can we do? It's not like that for example the USA introduced the vaccine policy for foreign visitors just to screw Novak Djokovic of Serbia to help Nadal. That's how governments see the situation.
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Did you just realize that the fans of the Serbian player take everything personally and believe in the theory of victimhood against their idol in most circumstances that are not favorable to him?
:rolleyes:
 
MeatTornado said:
Thiem, Rublev and PCB all made the quarters of both. And there's no reason to think Novak wouldn't have either if not for the fluke DQ.

Med lost 1st round of RG, but that's to be expected. Zverev lost 4R to Sinner, but I highly doubt that had anything to do with playing the USO, he constantly crashes out of majors early, especially back then.
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The level of tennis at the US Open was atrocious at most parts. That's what happens when you play a slam after about 5 months of not playing any competitive match.
They should have started RG first and then even in November the USO could have been hold.
 
weakera said:
As usual certain fans are bewildered when rival players don't possess magical healing abilities that allow injuries to heal instantly and without any loss in level of play or missed time
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Nadal15thslam said:
"Nadal is never injured during clay season" "clay has healing powers for Nadal". Where are the haters that say that?
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StrongRule said:
This is what an injury is, not the BS we hear from Djokovic all the time. But of course now haters will keep saying he is faking it. He just wants to lose even more ranking points for fun.
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This is unlike anything we've seen from Nadal throughout the course of his of entire career. Never has he skipped this many clay tournaments in a row
 
SonnyT said:
After the way he played against Mackensie, no one thought his injury was fake!

After that match, I remarked that was the first time I saw he was hampered by an injury!
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I wish this were true. Unfortunately there were some select individuals here claiming he was faking. Sadly Nadal has not been healthy since Acapulco 2022.
 
AO13 said:
I hope Nadal will get well soon and that he'll be healthy to play at Roland Garros.

It's not the same tour without him. Hell, after Novak and Rafa retire, I'll probably lose interest in watching tennis.
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I’m trying to see what Carlito will do but he keeps getting injured
 
MeatTornado said:
That's because RG went rogue. They just picked an empty spot on the calendar and announced theyd play there instead of bothering to coordinate with the rest of the tour.
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That is what happened but AO/USO didn't have to move and Wimbledon collected insurance. Roland Garros was the only slam set to lose its year of revenue if it didn't pick a new spot.
 
Kralingen said:
This just sucks. This entire thread too. Bad situation.

I am not hopeful at all he will be able to play at a high level come RG. Unless there is some miraculous turnaround I think Alcaraz will cook him.
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I don’t think he plays RG at this point. It’s a month away and he doesn’t even know when he can return to the court.
 
Terenigma said:
You're right. It's better! Monte Carlo was a really fun last 4 and I'm sure Madrid and even a possible open Roland Garros will be open for grabs and it'll be exciting to see!
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yeah, like the chess world championship is now much more exciting that magnus carlsen doesnt play, so french open would be much more exciting without nadal.
 
NoleFam said:
Depends on how you look at it. Recent info has surfaced about the big 3 and Nadal has only played about 40 less hours on court than Federer although Federer has played 235 more matches. Nadal has played 33 more matches than Djokovic but has spent nearly 230 more hours on court. So Nadal is closer to Federer in playing time on court than Djokovic despite he and Djokovic playing closer to same amount of matches. So clay may be easier on the joints, but yea it's very demanding and requires lots of hours compared to clay and grass. It's paid off for Nadal in the long run but there is a trade off.
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If you are talking injuries here then you have to take into account Nadal's chronic congenital foot disorder. It was diagnosed at the start of his career and it's management has created problems in his knees, hips and back. I don't think the extra hours played are the significant factor.
 
Sad for Rafa. Epic champion. The game is so much better with him in it. For real.

But… of course…this is what every athlete who dares to eat meat and bread can expect.

Meanwhile, here is Novak 23 years from now:

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Madrid doesn't really help you prepare for Roland Garros anyway. Can actually hurt your timing, and your confidence too, especially when its your first tournament of the clay season.
I would suggest Rome be Nadal's first clay event of the year, even if he was healthy enough to play Madrid.
The only downside to playing Rome and no other lead-up events to Roland Garros, is that you can't afford to lose early at Rome, although Nadal can afford more than most, because he has the wildcard up his sleeve that is Court Philippe-Chatrier which he can find form on quickly.
 
jm1980 said:
It's the boy who cried wolf
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We literally just guess when we say stuff like this about Novak or Rafa.

We have no idea.

We can pretend we do and slander people, but the truth is we have no idea what it is to be them or do what they do.

But we do know this: they play at the very physical extremes of the very very best athletes in the entire world of an incredibly body-taxing sport.

in this kind of situation I think it’s better to reserve judgment and hope the best than to falsely accuse someone assuming without knowledge that the worst is true.
 
Kralingen said:
This just sucks. This entire thread too. Bad situation.

I am not hopeful at all he will be able to play at a high level come RG. Unless there is some miraculous turnaround I think Alcaraz will cook him.
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I see you finally stopped with predicting Nadal will win everything, no matter what.
 
Federev said:
We literally just guess when we say stuff like this about Novak or Rafa.

We have no idea.

We can pretend we do and slander people, but the truth is we have no idea what it is to be them or do what they do.

But we do know this: they play at the very physical extremes of the very very best athletes in the entire world of an incredibly body-taxing sport.

in this kind of situation I think it’s better to reserve judgment and hope the best than to falsely accuse someone assuming without knowledge that the worst is true.
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This is true. If Djokovic/ Nadal and their camps are worried then that’s all that matters. We just speculate but only they know the extend of the injury problems he’s having. I wasn’t sure how serious it was but by this point if it’s not healing then it’s a big concern for Rafa.
 
Federev said:
We literally just guess when we say stuff like this about Novak or Rafa.

We have no idea.

We can pretend we do and slander people, but the truth is we have no idea what it is to be them or do what they do.

But we do know this: they play at the very physical extremes of the very very best athletes in the entire world of an incredibly body-taxing sport.

in this kind of situation I think it’s better to reserve judgment and hope the best than to falsely accuse someone assuming without knowledge that the worst is true.
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You seem like a nice guy. Likely nicer than either Rafa or Novak. Shame you're probably crap at tennis... like me, and everyone else in this murky little corner of the infraweb
 
Federev said:
We literally just guess when we say stuff like this about Novak or Rafa.

We have no idea.

We can pretend we do and slander people, but the truth is we have no idea what it is to be them or do what they do.

But we do know this: they play at the very physical extremes of the very very best athletes in the entire world of an incredibly body-taxing sport.

in this kind of situation I think it’s better to reserve judgment and hope the best than to falsely accuse someone assuming without knowledge that the worst is true.
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What a misfit for GPPD!
 
JasonZ said:
yeah, like the chess world championship is now much more exciting that magnus carlsen doesnt play, so french open would be much more exciting without nadal.
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This chess world championship isn’t even legit. Nepo likely wins it and we know what Magnus would do to him. Having a WC who is not nearly the best player in the world is never a good thing.
 
rick kerr said:
In 2020 he played Rome and then RG only, that is the closest he got to not playing a non RG clay tournament in the year.
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In 2020 Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Madrid, got suspended because covid-19.

In 2020 nobody played a whole lot of tennis, let alone on clay.
 
rick kerr said:
Agreed, the slams might be over if he fails at RG and Novak takes Wimbledon. He was lucky the vaccine drama happened, otherwise slams race would have been over last year itself.

That having said I am not sure if the tie is too bad for Rafa. He would be less accomplished than Novak but remember 22=22 means his fans will still get bragging rights of slam count being the real thing that matters to casual fans and Rafa getting to 22 first means he breached a milestone before anyone (male) and that milestone has only been equalled by Novak, not yet breached, so Rafa fans can stake claims on a tie. Plus we know with these slam tournaments and tv channels, they place the name of Nadal above Novak in the hierarchy since he reached 22 first .... So 22 = 22 seems a bit disturbing to me, Novak will have to get number 23 to look ahead.

Tv channels show

Nadal - 22
Djokovic - 22
Federer - 20

This looks bad, number 23 will make it look better

Djokovic - 23
Nadal - 22
Federer - 20

Much better now.
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It's crystal clear that you are a Nole fan, ain't you?
 
Hitman said:
What do you call Indian Wells-Miami to Monte Carlo then?

Nadal chose to skip USO 2020 without it impacting his medical freedom. Everything was open, Nadal himself stated that he felt it would be better for him at RG if he avoided HC, knowing everyone else would play there and have less time to change back to RG.

Shall we talk about how Thiem basically become a shell of himself after he won USO 2020? His desire was gone. And Nadal also is lucky in the sense that his fav slam was STILL played, the one where Djokovic was the dominant fav - Novak had no say in it at all.
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Bruh I swear you just make stuff up to suit yourself. He never said he skipped USO to focus on clay. The real reason he skipped USO was he already was beginning to struggle with relatively greater pain in his foot during the 2020 COVID break, perhaps due to his inactivity during that time.
 
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