Rafael Nadal out of ATP Madrid Masters.

[Kralingen]

I see you finally stopped with predicting Nadal will win everything, no matter what.

when I made those predictions he was at least playing high level tennis. In 2022 he went on a 22-match win streak, I knew if he could recover that form he was a contender (and was proven right at Roland Garros).

Now? He hasn’t played a good match of tennis since the RG final and arguably hasn’t even been healthy since Acapulco. That’s almost a year.

 

[ADuck]

Yes Nadal has never won a non RG slam after RG, the only year when he won a non RG slam in an year when he did not win RG was before RG at AO 2009.

His game, his confidence has always been Clay based, he beats up his opponent on clay and then uses its confidence to beat them in other slams over 12 months. In case he loses at other slams then he ensures he wins next RG and his confidence is back on.

If he cannot win this RG then he will in the same boat that Sampras was after loss to Federer in 01, no title on his name.... the countdown to the end will begin if he cannot get back in into the top 5-10 ranks. If he loses at RG 2024 then he is finished permanently and he will retire.

2022 AO.

Won his weakest slam whilst not holding a RG or any slam title for that matter.

Same almost happened in 2017. Nadal doesn't need to hold a RG to win another slam title, it's a garbage narrative held on to by Hitman even when it's been disproven. He simply has the capability to win anywhere if he is healthy and in good form.

 

[Kralingen]

2022 AO.

Won his weakest slam whilst not holding a RG or any slam title for that matter.

Same almost happened in 2017. Nadal doesn't need to hold a RG to win another slam title, it's a garbage narrative held on to by Hitman even when it's been disproven. He simply has the capability to win anywhere if he is healthy and in good form.

Yeah Hitman is often wrong. We all know this.

Plus, using historical precedent is irrelevant. considering Nadal played the vast majority of his career with prime ATGs on both HC and grass, he was always going to have a tough road even at full health. The commonality of his 22 and 17 runs at the AO was Djokovic’s conspicuous absence.

In this era? With Medvedev to go through? Yeah I doubt he’s struggling much.

 

[MichaelNadal]

2022 AO.

Won his weakest slam whilst not holding a RG or any slam title for that matter.

Same almost happened in 2017. Nadal doesn't need to hold a RG to win another slam title, it's a garbage narrative held on to by Hitman even when it's been disproven. He simply has the capability to win anywhere if he is healthy and in good form.

 

[Federev]

You say Nadal Still got to play his fav slam as if Novak hadn't played his fav one. He actually did play AO2020 which was prior to the pandemic. You said No one should be forced to inject etc. WHO said that? That was part of the protocols back then and literally EVEYONE did the same thing?! It's like saying no one should be forced to have a visa to enter any country at any moment. Every government and country has its own policy and people should follow that if they wanna visit that certain destination. Does that mean all of those guidelines are appropriate and effective? Absolutely not. But what can we do? It's not like that for example the USA introduced the vaccine policy for foreign visitors just to screw Novak Djokovic of Serbia to help Nadal. That's how governments see the situation.

To your point - in the states my kids have to get certain vaccinations against polio, measles, mumps, rubella, and other serious contagions in order to do their job and go to school.

We did space them out to mitigate the load on their little systems.

We didn’t like doing it at all and neither did they. But we all like it better than polio.

Point is Novak wasn’t “banned” anymore than my kids would be banned from school if we refused the measles vaccine.

The Covid vax is newer and there is way less time to back up its safety so I feel very strongly that no one should question Novak’s right and even the reasonableness of his refusal.

But it’s also the right of a nation to choose its rules of entry and require its entry rules be followed.

As you imply - it is what it is - and I think there are reasonable people who choose the vax and reasonable people who don’t.

 

[Sampras-Bruguera 1993]

Its sad in that you wanted to see a few more clashes between him and Djokovic but that looks like its it. Helluva career though. GOAT candidate without question. You hate to see anyone go out like that though

 

[Hitman]

Its sad in that you wanted to see a few more clashes between him and Djokovic but that looks like its it. Helluva career though. GOAT candidate without question. You hate to see anyone go out like that though

Not really if Djokovic gets more slams than him. What exactly does he have to argue his case, when someone who was from his own generation outperformed him overall in all the key metrics? He will be GOAT of particular surface, and one of the greatest ever, top 3, but he is not going to be overall GOAT when he will not be seen as the best of his own generation if Novak ends up with more slams. Guys like Sampras at least can say they played in a different time, Nadal didn't.

 

[The_Order]

Not good news for tennis.

If Rafa decides to come back in Rome, he is going to have to do pretty well to make up the points, because he is losing more points from his quarter final in Madrid last year. He is now almost certain to be outside the top 8, meaning he's got quite the path waiting in RG.

Beat 4 top 10 players in a row last year...

 

[Sampras-Bruguera 1993]

Not really if Djokovic gets more slams than him. What exactly does he have to argue his case, when someone who was from his own generation outperformed him overall in all the key metrics? He will be GOAT of particular surface, and one of the greatest ever, top 3, but he is not going to be overall GOAT when he will not be seen as the best of his own generation if Novak ends up with more slams. Guys like Sampras at least can say they played in a different time, Nadal didn't.

Well.. Candidate of course. Obviously Djokovic has most things on him but its still tied 22. Some will just say Co-GOATs if it stays 22 all. No if Djoker gets another slam its over. Most people use slam count as the metric

 

[Beulah Jesus]

A fit Rafa remains a threat at any slam he plays. Wishing him all the best as he seeks to recover from this injury.

 

[NoleFam]

2022 AO.

Won his weakest slam whilst not holding a RG or any slam title for that matter.

Same almost happened in 2017. Nadal doesn't need to hold a RG to win another slam title, it's a garbage narrative held on to by Hitman even when it's been disproven. He simply has the capability to win anywhere if he is healthy and in good form.

2022 AO is the only time in Nadal's 17 year Slam winning career that he won a non-clay Slam while not holding RG. That was in a year where Djokovic was deported, making it a more open Slam for everyone. It's not really a garbage narrative that his career and especially his success outside of RG is very much confidence based.

 

[Hitman]

Well.. Candidate of course. Obviously Djokovic has most things on him but its still tied 22. Some will just say Co-GOATs if it stays 22 all. No if Djoker gets another slam its over. Most people use slam count as the metric

Hence why I said IF Djokovic breaks the tie. If the tie is broken, Djokovic will have more slams, more weeks at number one, more year ending number ones, more YEC, more masters, more top 10 wins, more top 5 wins, more top 3 wins....Nadal doesn't have a strong case then at all when he is completely overwhelmed by Djokovic's numbers, nor can he say he was from a different era. So if he retires, and Djokovic pushes past him, it is game over as far as GOAT debate goes.

Nadal will always be in the discussion for being one of the Gods and one of the most important sporting figures in tennis history though, that is already set.

 

[Clay lover]

Hence why I said IF Djokovic breaks the tie. If the tie is broken, Djokovic will have more slams, more weeks at number one, more year ending number ones, more YEC, more masters, more top 10 wins, more top 5 wins, more top 3 wins....Nadal doesn't have a strong case then at all when he is completely overwhelmed by Djokovic's numbers, nor can he say he was from a different era. So if he retires, and Djokovic pushes past him, it is game over as far as GOAT debate goes.

Nadal will always be in the discussion for being one of the Gods and one of the most important sporting figures in tennis history though, that is already set.

I'm willing to go further and say Djokovic currently leads Nadal with an equal slam count with so many metrics in his favour just so people will shut up about it. But they never will.

To your point - in the states my kids have to get certain vaccinations against polio, measles, mumps, rubella, and other serious contagions in order to do their job and go to school.

We did space them out to mitigate the load on their little systems.

We didn’t like doing it at all and neither did they. But we all like it better than polio.

Point is Novak wasn’t “banned” anymore than my kids would be banned from school if we refused the measles vaccine.

The Covid vax is newer and there is way less time to back up its safety so I feel very strongly that no one should question Novak’s right and even the reasonableness of his refusal.

But it’s also the right of a nation to choose its rules of entry and require its entry rules be followed.

As you imply - it is what it is - and I think there are reasonable people who choose the vax and reasonable people who don’t.

Fairest take of all. Definitely a better take than "I'm gonna come in and win your slam and any attempt to deny me of this privilege to earn another million dollars is a clear breach of human rights"

 

[Sampras-Bruguera 1993]

Hence why I said IF Djokovic breaks the tie. If the tie is broken, Djokovic will have more slams, more weeks at number one, more year ending number ones, more YEC, more masters, more top 10 wins, more top 5 wins, more top 3 wins....Nadal doesn't have a strong case then at all when he is completely overwhelmed by Djokovic's numbers, nor can he say he was from a different era. So if he retires, and Djokovic pushes past him, it is game over as far as GOAT debate goes.

Nadal will always be in the discussion for being one of the Gods and one of the most important sporting figures in tennis history though, that is already set.

I'm wondering how its going to be gauged overall in the media (Not here in the tennis circles) if they both retire on 22

 

[Hitman]

I'm willing to go further and say Djokovic currently leads Nadal with an equal slam count with so many metrics in his favour just so people will shut up about it. But they never will.

You are right in that regard. Equal slam count means you need to look at everything else. I've always had Nadal ahead of Djokovic irrespective of how much Djokovic had over him outside of slams, as long as Nadal was ahead by at least one slam. When that lead goes, the leverage is gone also. People will always talk about it, but the numbers are what tell the story.

 

[Hitman]

I'm wondering how its going to be gauged overall in the media (Not here in the tennis circles) if they both retire on 22

Who knows. Maybe Federer will always be considered GOAT just due to his insane popularity. Maybe they will be more sympathetic to Nadal. Maybe they will simply look at the numbers and know Djokovic simply cannot be denied....or maybe they forget about them all and quickly look at the next big thing to sell the sport.

 

[bluetrain4]

Sad. I hope he can make another run at some tournament. I just don't see him being able to compete regularly. I'll enjoy any Rafa that's left and if he retires, that's fine too.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Depends on how you look at it. Recent info has surfaced about the big 3 and Nadal has only played about 40 less hours on court than Federer although Federer has played 235 more matches. Nadal has played 33 more matches than Djokovic but has spent nearly 230 more hours on court. So Nadal is closer to Federer in playing time on court than Djokovic despite he and Djokovic playing closer to same amount of matches. So clay may be easier on the joints, but yea it's very demanding and requires lots of hours compared to clay and grass. It's paid off for Nadal in the long run but there is a trade off.

Well if you take 1000 hrs touching your butt in front of 10000s of audience and then adjusting your once long hairs, your time spent is not same as athletic tennis Federer played.

 

[DogInSpace]

Well if you take 1000 hrs touching your butt in front of 10000s of audience and then adjusting your once long hairs, your time spent is not same as athletic tennis Federer played.

Congratulations.

You won this thread.

 

[fedfan24]

Not really if Djokovic gets more slams than him. What exactly does he have to argue his case, when someone who was from his own generation outperformed him overall in all the key metrics? He will be GOAT of particular surface, and one of the greatest ever, top 3, but he is not going to be overall GOAT when he will not be seen as the best of his own generation if Novak ends up with more slams. Guys like Sampras at least can say they played in a different time, Nadal didn't.

Nadal has the slam h2h. 11>7 is a big deal, no matter how many cam norrie opens djokovic piles up without going through Nadal.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Nadal has the slam h2h. 11>7 is a big deal, no matter how many cam norrie opens djokovic piles up without going through Nadal.

 

[Hitman]

Nadal has the slam h2h. 11>7 is a big deal, no matter how many cam norrie opens djokovic piles up without going through Nadal.

So it's Djokovic's fault that he was waiting in the Wimbledon final last year, but Nadal got injured? LOL Should Djokovic have quit the tournaments every time Nadal lost to a player outside the top 100 at Wimbledon all those years also? Slam H2H rewards players for failing to get the big match also, by letting them lose to someone else instead....this isn't boxing, this is tournament based sport. You beat the field.

But lets give it to you, Nadal has slam H2H...that's it? That's all you got? That, along with one SOG is enough to offset having over 150 weeks more as number one, and additional two year ending number ones both standalone records, having 6 YEC titles to Nadal's inability to win anything big on indoor hardcourt since his lone masters title back in 2005, having more masters overall, heck winning all nine masters....twice! How about winning all four slams in a row...how about having a winning H2H against top 10 players on all three main playing surfaces, hard, clay, grass...you know Nadal has a losing H2H against top 10 players on HC, yes? How about higher win percentage, overall H2H, winning more finals overall in their direct match up, more titles, more big titles, more top 10 wins, more top 5 wins....Lets make this very clear, if Nadal doesn't have the slam lead, Djokovic stands tall.

 

[DogInSpace]

So it's Djokovic's fault that he was waiting in the Wimbledon final last year, but Nadal got injured? LOL Should Djokovic have quit the tournaments every time Nadal lost to a player outside the top 100 at Wimbledon all those years also? Slam H2H rewards players for failing to get the big match also, by letting them lose to someone else instead....this isn't boxing, this is tournament based sport. You beat the field.

But lets give it to you, Nadal has slam H2H...that's it? That's all you got? That, along with one SOG is enough to offset having over 150 weeks more as number one, and additional two year ending number ones both standalone records, having 6 YEC titles to Nadal's inability to win anything big on indoor hardcourt since his lone masters title back in 2005, having more masters overall, heck winning all nine masters....twice! How about winning all four slams in a row...how about having a winning H2H against top 10 players on all three main playing surfaces, hard, clay, grass...you know Nadal has a losing H2H against top 10 players on HC, yes? How about higher win percentage, overall H2H, winning more finals overall in their direct match up, more titles, more big titles, more top 10 wins, more top 5 wins....Lets make this very clear, if Nadal doesn't have the slam lead, Djokovic stands tall.

Dude this is a thread about Nadal and a sad news that came out and somber prospects for him about upcoming months. And there are ********* that came and start with "um...actually, novak blablabla novak blablabla novak, novak, novak"

Go start some more threads about wtf djokovic ate last mondey on breakfast. This is basically how ******* spam this boards anyway.

 

[Hitman]

Dude this is a thread about Nadal and a sad news that came out and somber prospects for him about upcoming months. And there are ********* that came and start with "um...actually, novak blablabla novak blablabla novak, novak, novak"

Go start some more threads about wtf djokovic ate last mondey on breakfast. This is basically how ******* spam this boards anyway.

Why don't you do us both a favor and put me on your ignore list, I honestly don't mind. It will help you out also so you don't have to read my stuff. It's so easy, just don't read it.

I know the situation with Nadal and hopefully he can finish his career off on his own terms.

 

[fedfan24]

So it's Djokovic's fault that he was waiting in the Wimbledon final last year, but Nadal got injured? LOL Should Djokovic have quit the tournaments every time Nadal lost to a player outside the top 100 at Wimbledon all those years also? Slam H2H rewards players for failing to get the big match also, by letting them lose to someone else instead....this isn't boxing, this is tournament based sport. You beat the field.

But lets give it to you, Nadal has slam H2H...that's it? That's all you got? That, along with one SOG is enough to offset having over 150 weeks more as number one, and additional two year ending number ones both standalone records, having 6 YEC titles to Nadal's inability to win anything big on indoor hardcourt since his lone masters title back in 2005, having more masters overall, heck winning all nine masters....twice! How about winning all four slams in a row...how about having a winning H2H against top 10 players on all three main playing surfaces, hard, clay, grass...you know Nadal has a losing H2H against top 10 players on HC, yes? How about higher win percentage, overall H2H, winning more finals overall in their direct match up, more titles, more big titles, more top 10 wins, more top 5 wins....Lets make this very clear, if Nadal doesn't have the slam lead, Djokovic stands tall.

nadal has higher peak too than any other player and is best big match player of all time. number 1 weeks, masters titles, sure djokovic is fitter and more consistent but when he it comes to a big match between the two same gen same age guys, Nadal is better

 

[Hitman]

nadal has higher peak too than any other player and is best big match player of all time. number 1 weeks, masters titles, sure djokovic is fitter and more consistent but when he it comes to a big match between the two same gen same age guys, Nadal is better

Ah yes, the higher peak....the good ol eye test, because we all know its objective. I mean we all saw how 2011 went between them, right? I give you real numbers, you give me eye tests. Lol

 

[_phantom]

nadal has higher peak too than any other player and is best big match player of all time. number 1 weeks, masters titles, sure djokovic is fitter and more consistent but when he it comes to a big match between the two same gen same age guys, Nadal is better

21-11 in slam matches and 11-7 in slam finals against Fedovic. Defended his kingdom like no other. That's enough for me.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Damn, this is bad news
Has there ever been a clay season when Rafa only played RG and nothing else?

Really hope it comes together in time - if we don't see him even at RG, then I think the time is finally coming

There has not been a clay season like that

 

[ressling]

He's either saving up every last ounce he has in him for one last run at RG or he's undoubtedly done even if mentally he doesn't want to be.

 

[Purestriker]

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"Hello everyone.

It's been a while since I communicated directly with you. It has been a difficult few weeks and months.

As you know I suffered a major injury in Australia, at the Psoas. Initially it had to be a six to eight week recovery period and we are now on fourteen. The reality is that the situation is not what we would have expected. All medical indications have been followed, but somehow the evolution has not been what they initially told us and we find ourselves in a difficult situation. The weeks are passing and I had the illusion of being able to play in tournaments that are the most important in my career such as Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Madrid, Rome, Roland Garros and for the moment I have missed Monte Carlo and Barcelona. I will not be able to be in Madrid unfortunately.

The injury still hasn't healed and I can't work out what I need to to compete. I was training, but now a few days ago we decided to change course a bit, do another treatment and see if things improve to try to get to what comes next. I can't give deadlines because if I knew I would tell you but I don't know. This is how things are now.

I also want to send a special greeting to all the Madrid and Spanish public because I will have missed the two tournaments that are played here at home. You all know what it means for me to play these tournaments and in this case in Madrid that I will not be able to play it with everything it has given me.

I have no choice but to try to have the right attitude throughout this time, try to give myself the opportunity to compete in one of the tournaments that remains of the clay season and I have no choice but to work and be with the right mentality.

A very strong hug to all and as soon as I have news, I will inform you. Thank you!"

Sad but true.

 

[_phantom]

He's either saving up every last ounce he has in him for one last run at RG or he's undoubtedly done even if mentally he doesn't want to be.

... or he keeps trying until he is 40.

 

[nolefam_2024]

He's either saving up every last ounce he has in him for one last run at RG or he's undoubtedly done even if mentally he doesn't want to be.

I don't know what more I can do if he tricks everyone again. He should not win RG this year if he is so unfit.

 

[_phantom]

I don't know what more I can do if he tricks everyone again. He should not win RG this year if he is so unfit.

I assure you that he will not win the title if he tears his hamstring in the middle of the tournament

 

[Razer]

2022 AO.

Won his weakest slam whilst not holding a RG or any slam title for that matter.

Same almost happened in 2017. Nadal doesn't need to hold a RG to win another slam title, it's a garbage narrative held on to by Hitman even when it's been disproven. He simply has the capability to win anywhere if he is healthy and in good form.

Why is it a shame to say that Rafa's game is built around clay and he needed the confidence of that ? Sure he won AO2022 but would he have won if Novak was present ? Now don't say Novak was out because of his mistakes, yes we know he was out because of his choice, but end of the day Novak's absence (even if that is violuntary/not) is an undeniable factor, so how exactly is AO2022 a shining example of Nadal being able to win without RG factor being there ?

There is no shame in accepting that Nadal has built his entire career around clay in ways nobody ever can. He successfully converted his Clay wins into non clay wins using that confidence to beat Federer and Novak at non clay slams while his rivals could not do that in reverse, Roger could never convert his wimbledon confidence into a RG win over Nadal. So this is a praise for Nadal that his game is powered on clay instead of a handicap.

 

[Mustard]

Terrible news.

 

[Mustard]

In 2020 he played Rome and then RG only, that is the closest he got to not playing a non RG clay tournament in the year.

And that was in September/October, of course. The year of Covid lockdowns.

 

[Mustard]

Nadal playing a solid Wimbledon after not doing well at RG simply hasn't ever happened, even though the sample size is small

Very small indeed. There's only been 2 occasions where Nadal didn't win the French Open and went on to play Wimbledon in the same calendar year, 2003 when Nadal missed the French Open and Queen's Club with an elbow injury and was back for Wimbledon; and 2015 when Nadal lost to Djokovic in the quarter finals of the French Open, bizarrely won a new grass tournament in Stuttgart, and went out early at both Queen's Club and Wimbledon. The other years when Nadal didn't win the French Open, 2009 he lost to Soderling at the French Open and didn't play Wimbledon because of knee tendinitis, 2016 he had the wrist injury in practice during the French Open that caused him to withdraw from the tournament and not play Wimbledon, and 2021 when he lost in the semi finals to Djokovic at the French Open and didn't play Wimbledon.

 

[Genie Of the Bank]

It's all about Karma. Last year Novak was banned from 2 mayors and 6 masters. Rafa was cashing in big titles in the first 6 months without his biggest rival . Nadal fans were toxic in celebrating the demise and deportation from Australia and the whole North America swing. I told you all back then that Karma will balance the events out. Now Novak will probably win Wimbledon if he stays healthy and Rafa will win another major this year. Balance has been restored to the universe.

 

[nolefam_2024]

It's all about Karma. Last year Novak was banned from 2 mayors and 6 masters. Rafa was cashing in big titles in the first 6 months without his biggest rival . Nadal fans were toxic in celebrating the demise and deportation from Australia and the whole North America swing. I told you all back then that Karma will balance the events out. Now Novak will probably win Wimbledon if he stays healthy and Rafa will win another major this year. Balance has been restored to the universe.

Disagree. Why wish for Nadal to win another major. Let the well completely dry up forever. 22 is insane number for him, don't want 23 ever.

 

[ADuck]

2022 AO is the only time in Nadal's 17 year Slam winning career that he won a non-clay Slam while not holding RG. That was in a year where Djokovic was deported, making it a more open Slam for everyone. It's not really a garbage narrative that his career and especially his success outside of RG is very much confidence based.

Lol see this is misleading because of those 17 years, 13 times he won RG. So really it was only 1 of 4 years. How about think before posting.

It's just a silly take because you only need to look at the years he lost RG to understand that he was either injured or out of form, and therefore not in a position to win any slam for those periods.

Aka 2015 Wimbledon - 2016 USO in absolute mug form before and after not winning RG. Nothing to do with not winning RG.

WB 2009- AO2010 injured in 3 consecutive slams. Nothing to do with not winning RG.

If we look at the non-clay slams he attempted to win that fit the conditions (Not holding RG, not injured, not in absolute mug form), we have a sample size of TWO:
2017 AO
2022 AO
A win rate of 50% - Incredible
And that could have been 100% considering he was a break up in the 5th in 2017.

If we change the conditions to include when he was in absolute mug form, but not injured, we have a sample size of 6:
2015 Wimbledon
2015 US
2016 AO
2016 USO
2017 AO
2022 AO
16.67% win rate. By no means bad either. And if you compare that to his non-clay slam win rate:
8/45 (estimating) = 17.78%
Barely any difference.

So yeah, to summarise it is a pretty stupid narrative by any objective or subjective measure.

 

[Genie Of the Bank]

Disagree. Why wish for Nadal to win another major. Let the well completely dry up forever. 22 is insane number for him, don't want 23 ever.

Because Rafa is the second best player in the tennis history, he dominates clay and can win another US Open. Novak is the same at London and New York.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Because Rafa is the second best player in the tennis history, he dominates clay and can win another US Open. Novak is the same at London and New York.

if Nadal is fit he always is top favorite at RG. USOpen is no joke.

 

[DSH]

And that was in September/October, of course. The year of Covid lockdowns.

Do you remember someone who has not played a previous tournament on the European clay tour and has gone far at Roland Garros?

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

We said it many times before but I honestly think Nadal might be done this time. His physical taxing style on his body has caught up with him. He’s nearly 37 and a hip injury at that stage along with everything before it, I feel he might not recover from.

Apparently he’s been training and hitting forehand’s okay but his movement is very bad. If he can’t move like he used to then he won’t return to the top level.

 

[Genie Of the Bank]

if Nadal is fit he always is top favorite at RG. USOpen is no joke.

Lets believe in a small miracle and a Rafa-Nole final in Paris.

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

I'm willing to go further and say Djokovic currently leads Nadal with an equal slam count with so many metrics in his favour just so people will shut up about it. But they never will.

Definitely. There is no chance you could have Rafa ahead at this point even with equal number of slams or even have them tied. Djokovic leads every other metric (and with a big margin in some of those). And if we are honest: if it wasn’t for him being banned due to his COVID stance or Wimbly 2020 being cancelled he would be leading in slams as well.

 

[DSH]

Definitely. There is no chance you could have Rafa ahead at this point even with equal number of slams or even have them tied. Djokovic leads every other metric (and with a big margin in some of those). And if we are honest: if it wasn’t for him being banned due to his COVID stance or Wimbly 2020 being cancelled he would be leading in slams as well.

If, if, if, does not exist and you as a follower of the great Borg should know it better than anyone.

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

If, if, if, does not exist and you as a follower of the great Borg should know it better than anyone.

Then exclude this sentence if you want, even with same number of slams Djoko is ahead.

 

[DSH]

Then exclude this sentence if you want, even with same number of slams Djoko is ahead.

Ok, answer me, peak Borg vs peak Djokovic on fast grass at Wimbledon who wins, and the same but on slow grass?

 

[mehdimike]

We said it many times before but I honestly think Nadal might be done this time. His physical taxing style on his body has caught up with him. He’s nearly 37 and a hip injury at that stage along with everything before it, I feel he might not recover from.

Apparently he’s been training and hitting forehand’s okay but his movement is very bad. If he can’t move like he used to then he won’t return to the top level.

I really don't get the bolded part. His decline is not related to his playing style at all. Otherwise Novak should have been retired long before him! Nadal was beating slam winners at the age of 16!! You know how ridiculous is that?! He is almost 37 now. Did you expect him to play tennis forever? His body is falling apart as he has aged not sue to the so called taxing playing style. he has been on the tour since 2001. Novak could tie with him in longevity if he plays till 2025 and Rafa doesn't play anymore.