Rafael Nadal: 'People should remember my legacy, not titles'

Sunny014

Legend
Possibly doped. That's what. Am I saying "definitively"? No. But I do highly suspect he does and not only him, btw. I highly suspect Djokovic does. I don't believe Federer did because I believe how he wins, well won for now I guess, is explainable, although I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out otherwise. I think a great example to illustrate just how abnormal Nadal/Nole endurance is would be to compare their matches when they played against Murray. Murray, I don't believe, dopes. When you watch his matches, you can see he gets tired. It's a stark contrast when he played Nole or Rafa that those two were run side to side as much as they made Murray run and you can see the toll it took on Murray yet not on them. One of the key strategies in tennis is wearing down your opponent. There are many players like Murray who devote a lot to their fitness yet still display normal human cycles of energy/tiring, as shown by Murray, Courier, Agassi and so on.

So, if you don't personally believe Rafa dopes, hey fine. However, don't act as if those who do aren't being reasonable in their suspicion.

Problem in this argument is that Nadal was never in the league of Murray/Courier/Agassi/Hewitt/Chang or anyone that you can point out, he was always a level above as an athlete, infact he was decades ahead of them in evolution.
At a very young age of 15 or 16 he beat Carlos Moya, he was that damn good. At 19 when he took on grown up men like Federer/Agassi he clearly looked superior physically on court, like he was a superior model of athlete 20 years from the future with greater genetics and muscle quality.

Is it shocking that someone like that woh 13 frenchs and was so strong ??? If you start winning a slam every year in Federer's peak and Federer who is the greatest dominator of all time cannot stop you, then who is going to stop you for another decade ???

He was so far ahead physically that he could win again and again and again with a big margin, like Phelps or Bolt types, so far ahead of your peers physically that there is no race for 1st, it is always a race to who will come second.

So I am less doubtful on Nadal taking any special medicines that Federer/Novak are not taking, either the whole tour is on drugs or Nadal is 100% clean.
 

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
I don't remember him actually admitting that in the book. And regardless, as a person and as a competitor he's one of the best role models in the game .
No one will deny he is a great competitor, and a champion, but he mentions it in the book.
 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
Nope. I'm saying I suspect he does based on reasonable observation and being around pro level juniors as well as college athletics/athletes. I am not saying he definitely does. An accusation is statement of the definitive.
What is your "reasonable" observation? What makes you think he has doped? Since there is no evidence.
 

mtommer

Hall of Fame
So I am less doubtful on Nadal taking any special medicines that Federer/Novak are not taking, either the whole tour is on drugs or Nadal is 100% clean.
The whole tour being doped is not something that may apply to tennis only because tennis is so individual. That said, if acadamies are involved on a large scale, then I would find that sentiment far more likely. I think that is key, a large organization to fund the process as otherwise I don't think it's financially possible for individual players to manage all that is necessary to have a successful doping regiment.

As I said though, if you find Nadal's success reasonable without doping, I'm not saying you're wrong to do so. I hope he doesn't.
 

mtommer

Hall of Fame
What is your "reasonable" observation? What makes you think he has doped? Since there is no evidence.
Ummm, did you read the previous couple of posts? There was no evidence that cycling had a large doping issue, that Lance was doping, either. However, those who were around cycling knew it was going on, how prevalent it was, and that Armstrong was doping.
 

duaneeo

Legend
"In the future, I do not want to be remembered as a tennis player with numerous titles but the one who has left a good example for boys and girls; it's my only objective."
Aw, how corny, uh, cute.

I'll remember Nadal for his numerous titles...not whether or not he's left a good example for kids.
 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
Ummm, did you read the previous couple of posts? There was no evidence that cycling had a large doping issue, that Lance was doping, either. However, those who were around cycling knew it was going on, how prevalent it was, and that Armstrong was doping.
Hmmm, then why has there been no fallout then? Cycling was changed forever. Guess it is not as wide spread in tennis?
 

-NN-

G.O.A.T.
His titles are hugely tied to his legacy FFS. His hugest claim to fame is his unreal RG record.


Next.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
But Mirka is always typing on her phone. Maybe Federer has a special earpiece that translates the text into sound.
To be fair to Roger he never looks at his box he says he didn't even do it as a child when his parents tried to coach him from the stands because he thought he knew it all. I did hear Mirka shout out "move your feet" once.

He is guilty of strategic toilet breaks though.
 
Say what you will about Nadal, but the guy is really well natured. Never a bad gesture towards the crowd, even very belligerent people, like the Australian middle finger broad. Also, respectful towards ball kids, as far as I remember. Endless rituals and excessive time between points, yes. Nobody is perfect.
 

Kralingen

Legend
Say what you will about Nadal, but the guy is really well natured. Never a bad gesture towards the crowd, even very belligerent people, like the Australian middle finger broad. Also, respectful towards ball kids, as far as I remember. Endless rituals and excessive time between points, yes. Nobody is perfect.
Really the worst I can say about him is that he’s hyper competitive (no one could have the success he’s had without it) and doesn’t try to hide it. That’s what all the time stuff is, at the end of the day.

he has been a bit condescending and makes strange comments about the tour and other players occasionally, I think @aldeayeah was spot on in that he likes expressing disapproval lol. Especially in his Spanish interviews. I don’t get the impression he is an especially open or honest person, and I think most of his public comments (like this) read like a corporate keynote speech. But those are hardly real criticisms, especially compared to other successful athletes in this day and age.
 

imonfire

Rookie
Ahh, yes, rather than titles, the next generations of boys and girls at Rafa's academy should look up to him as a role model to perfect their plastic bottle placement and in-between points butt picking skills.
 

goldengate14

Professional
Nadal knows he will go down as the Greatest men's player in history as his achievements will be the most remembered and it is important to him that as a result of that his behaviour is faultless and held up as a beacon for children across the world to aspire to for decades to come.
As a parent Nadal is the player on the mens side I want my children to emulate both in victory and defeat. Stef graf on womans side the other ultimate role model.
 

mtommer

Hall of Fame
Hmmm, then why has there been no fallout then? Cycling was changed forever. Guess it is not as wide spread in tennis?
Possibly. At the same time, without Armstrong's public admission, I don't know if the fallout would have been quite as noteworthy, perhaps?
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
Its comes from being humble not from being the destructive force on clay winning 13 RG titles....according to the humble one himself.
No one gives credit where credit is due. For temper tantrums on court, Joker is the worst of the top guys. Some of his behavior is really ugly. Respect of equipment: Nadal is by far the best. Anyone should admire that about him.

But Joker I truly believe is the most magnanimous in defeat. For instance, he gave Meddy a big hug at the net, and I just don't think that's fake. When I lose, I get dejected and give off negative vibes, more like Fed.

There are a number of things to admire about Fed, so it's not hard to give credit to these guys for the things they do well. If you don't expect any of them to be saints, they really are pretty good people.
 
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Azure

G.O.A.T.
He's not a good sporting example and the irony is that his statement is the exact opposite
Surprised you would say that - don't you think that the fact that he respects the tools of his trade is an example worthy of emulating? Also his perseverance to get better on surfaces outside of clay? He has never demeaned an opponent - not that I know of.

No one is complete saint, no one is complete evil- you name any sportsperson and you can find some faults in them. What Rafa is, is an extremely good tennis player displaying excellent attitude. You can latch on to faults or see that he is also end of the day a good kid.
 
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Really the worst I can say about him is that he’s hyper competitive (no one could have the success he’s had without it) and doesn’t try to hide it. That’s what all the time stuff is, at the end of the day.

he has been a bit condescending and makes strange comments about the tour and other players occasionally, I think @aldeayeah was spot on in that he likes expressing disapproval lol. Especially in his Spanish interviews. I don’t get the impression he is an especially open or honest person, and I think most of his public comments (like this) read like a corporate keynote speech. But those are hardly real criticisms, especially compared to other successful athletes in this day and age.
Yes, hyper competitive. Fed has better manners than Nadal in some ways and worse in others, but both are head and shoulders over AmericanPsychovic.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Nadal is an astute businessman and plays tennis in a way that always seeks a professional edge over the opposition even if it tramples on a few rules.

As the owner of a school, it seems astute of him to make a claim to want to be a model for children.
 
what Rafa means is that number of slams is a display of power for a tennis player but power can come to the good guys as well the bad guys like in movie Black Panther where Michael B Jordan was the bad guy and he got the power for a while but ultimately Chadwick Boseman's character was the one that won people's hearts.
 

Russeljones

G.O.A.T.
I get the sentiment, but without his titles no one would even know who he is, let alone have a legacy to remember.
What? You do realise this is all about Djokovic, right? Nadal is saying "I will always be the Bentley to this Peugeot, no matter how it's tined."
 

Start da Game

Hall of Fame
No one gives credit where credit is due. For temper tantrums on court, Joker is the worst of the top guys. Some of his behavior is really ugly. Respect of equipment: Nadal is by far the best. Anyone should admire that about him.

But Joker I truly believe is the most magnanimous in defeat. For instance, he gave Meddy a big hug at the net, and I just don't think that's fake. When I lose, I get dejected and give off negative vibes, more like Fed.

There are a number of things to admire about Fed, so it's not hard to give credit to these guys for the things they do well. If you don't expect any of them to be saints, they really are pretty good people.
i agree with all this but i have a problem with the highlighted part.......it feels so fake because he does that every single time he loses, it means even when he loses it is always about him.......why do you want to hug and waste time of your opponent who can't wait to drop his racket at his chair and celebrate with the crowd? there is no need for me to embrace your hug.......

no one comes close to pistol pete and guga kuerten when it comes to losing with grace........i really liked the old school shakehand win or lose........why are these top players today such phonies at the net and start hugging and smelling each other's sweat? they should be doing that with their wives.......
 
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