Rafael Nadal reveals he has a "fluid relationship" with Roger Federer, says they talk "very often"

NoleFam said:
I wouldn't say it would be much but based on the way the tournaments played out, I would say 2019 AO Nadal was playing slightly better than 2008 RG Federer.

Go watch the match and see. :)
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A slight difference is probably fair but doesn't push Nadal RG 08 off :D

Seen the 2015 final more than one time. Maybe a weak 10/10 if RG 08 is a strong 10/10 :)
 
RS said:
A slight difference is probably fair but doesn't push Nadal RG 08 off :D

Seen the 2015 final more than one time. Maybe a weak 10/10 if RG 08 is a strong 10/10 :)
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Didn't see what you sent to me :D.

The Big Foe fan said:
Djokerer ao16
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Any losing efforts 9/10 and over in general?
 
RS said:
I remembered the AO 15 final very good but I might be misremembering it . Obviously AO 2012 would be a common pick so not surprised you put it 9+.
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I thought it was AO 2013 that was really good. I sometimes get those two matches confused.
 
NoleFam said:
I thought it was AO 2013 that was really good. I sometimes get those two matches confused.
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I thought Djokovic was very good in both. I think in AO 2013 Djokovic struggled in the first on big points then kept getting better and better as the much went on but in AO 2015 Djokovic started fast then Murray equalled him then in the end Djokovic took control and ran away with it. Like I say I might be misremembering some of it though.
 
RS said:
I thought Djokovic was very good in both. I think in AO 2013 Djokovic struggled in the first on big points then kept getting better and better as the much went on but in AO 2015 Djokovic started fast then Murray equalled him then in the end Djokovic took control and ran away with it. Like I say I might be misremembering some of it though.
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Well neither were bad performances but AO 2013 is the one I remember being the more high quality match. Of course, 2015 Djokovic coud turn up the heat and deliver bagels back then but it seemed like in the middle of the match, the level dropped a bit.
 
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NoleFam said:
Well neither were bad performances but AO 2013 is the one I remember being the more high quality match. Of course, 2015 Djokovic coud turn up the heat and deliver bagels back then but it seemed like in the middle of the match, the level dropped a bit.
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I think both matches were just very tight for a stretch and Murray was really threatening and forced the odd dip then Djokovic pulled away. 2013 Djokovic did hit the ball harder though by the eye.
 
NoleFam said:
I thought it was AO 2013 that was really good. I sometimes get those two matches confused.
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It's funny that does seem to be the consensus around here but I thought the first two sets in 15 were better. Murray did absolutely fall apart in the 4th set in 15 but he was also physically running low in 13 so not that different. I think people remember Djokovic playing a meh semi in 15 and assume that about the final but the final was very good from him.
 
The Guru said:
It's funny that does seem to be the consensus around here but I thought the first two sets in 15 were better. Murray did absolutely fall apart in the 4th set in 15 but he was also physically running low in 13 so not that different. I think people remember Djokovic playing a meh semi in 15 and assume that about the final but the final was very good from him.
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What you give Djokovic and Murray out of 10 in both?
 
The Guru said:
It's funny that does seem to be the consensus around here but I thought the first two sets in 15 were better. Murray did absolutely fall apart in the 4th set in 15 but he was also physically running low in 13 so not that different. I think people remember Djokovic playing a meh semi in 15 and assume that about the final but the final was very good from him.
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Well I don't think Djokovic has ever played a bad AO final (so far) but I think most would say 2015 would be the one at the bottom of totem pole because it just felt like he was on autopilot at times. I definitely don't think it was a bad performance by any means but falls short of years like 2011, 2012 and 2019.
 
NoleFam said:
Well I don't think Djokovic has ever played a bad AO final (so far) but I think most would say 2015 would be the one at the bottom of totem pole because it just felt like he was on autopilot at times. I definitely don't think it was a bad performance by any means but falls short of years like 2011, 2012 and 2019.
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That's fair. I think it's really hard to rank Novak's level in AO finals other than 2011 at the top and 2020 at the bottom though I still think he was good in 2020. I used to be lower on 2015 but now I think it's better than 2013 by a hair. Pretty much equal though. I actually think I'd put both over 2012 just because physically there was no let up in either especially 13 which was highly impressive given how brutal some of the rallies were whereas in 2012 he understandably tired. 2012 is the most impressive of his AO runs or any run for that matter but he didn't have as much to give physically as 2013/15 because of the absolute war of a semi he played that year compared to a steamrolling of Ferrer and a far less physical match with Wawrinka.
 
The Guru said:
That's fair. I think it's really hard to rank Novak's level in AO finals other than 2011 at the top and 2020 at the bottom though I still think he was good in 2020. I used to be lower on 2015 but now I think it's better than 2013 by a hair. Pretty much equal though. I actually think I'd put both over 2012 just because physically there was no let up in either especially 13 which was highly impressive given how brutal some of the rallies were whereas in 2012 he understandably tired. 2012 is the most impressive of his AO runs or any run for that matter but he didn't have as much to give physically as 2013/15 because of the absolute war of a semi he played that year compared to a steamrolling of Ferrer and a far less physical match with Wawrinka.
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I don't know about that. You may want to watch that 2012 final again. I did a year or so ago and it is still up there with the best. The level of that match is insane and he did that in back to back matches. I definitely put that performance above 2013 and 2015. Nadal went to super saiyan level that tournament and Djokovic went right with him and that made it one of their best matches if not the best. I agree with 2020 as very last but like you, I don't think it was a bad performance. I think he struggled physically for a set and a half but a lot of credit should be given to Thiem too who played a hell of a match and, in my opinion, his best run and level at any hardcourt Slam.
 
NoleFam said:
I don't know about that. You may want to watch that 2012 final again. I did a year or so ago and it is still up there with the best. The level of that match is insane and he did that in back to back matches. I definitely put that performance above 2013 and 2015. Nadal went to super saiyan level that tournament and Djokovic went right with him and that made it one of their best matches if not the best. I agree with 2020 as very last but like you, I don't think it was a bad performance. I think he struggled physically for a set and a half but a lot of credit should be given to Thiem too who played a hell of a match and, in my opinion, his best run and level at any hardcourt Slam.
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Oh trust me I love the 2012 final. It's the best match I've ever watched. However, largely because of the draw Novak just had more legs in 13/15. I mean Novak won the 13 final off of superior physicality as they were dead even through 2 sets but Djokovic was able to keep it up and Murray slowly wilted physically. In 12 Djokovic had some bail out trigger pulls and moments of waning effort that weren't present in the other two matches. Yes 2012 went 5 but I don't think the Djokodal rallies are more physical than Murrovic ones often they are less physical. Also the courts in 13/15 up the general effectiveness of Djokovic's game the 12 court is too slow for him. I mean it's super close but my general feeling is that 12 Djok/13 Djok are on basically the same level except that 13 was fresher. 12 maybe had a little more sting on his groundies but not enough to make up for the difference in stamina. Then I think 15 was just a tiny bit better than both with the improved serve and that match is also one of his all time returning clinics. He absolutely pounded Murray's second serve in that match.
 
NoleFam said:
I don't know about that. You may want to watch that 2012 final again. I did a year or so ago and it is still up there with the best. The level of that match is insane and he did that in back to back matches. I definitely put that performance above 2013 and 2015. Nadal went to super saiyan level that tournament and Djokovic went right with him and that made it one of their best matches if not the best. I agree with 2020 as very last but like you, I don't think it was a bad performance. I think he struggled physically for a set and a half but a lot of credit should be given to Thiem too who played a hell of a match and, in my opinion, his best run and level at any hardcourt Slam.
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Djokovic should have rightfully finished the 2012 final in 4 sets. He had no business losing 4th.
But he turned into Djokob**ch and almost allowed nadal to win a match he had no business winning.
 
Kralingen said:
I am glad they are friends. I also like that they openly don’t like Novak. Rivalry is good. Feuds are good.

Honesty is good.
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So, it's good when players are friends and it's good when they don't like each other? Can you make your mind?

On topic, it's strange/cringe that Media is obsessed with Fedal/Fedal Vs Novak personal relationship... It's sport we are talking about, rivalries, fight... It's not marriage, lol... Media should potentiate good, healthy rivalry, not some "love"...
Anyway, all this "we are friends, buddies" is bs... We all know why is friend, person we spend a lot of time together, go out weekends, holidays... I have colleagues at my work to whom I'm in good relationship, and I have colleagues which are friends at the same time, there is big difference...

Fedal are just colleagues that are in good relationship and they exploit relationship to get nice picture in media and more sponsor money...

Plus, when Nadal/Federer pick Federer/Nadal as preferred member of Big3, it's downing of Novak, make him again bad guy, and media just love that story, lol...
 
They have a fluid relationship meaning they will do PR together and say whatever in interviews to make the most money possible and increase their combined influence on the ATP so that they can keep lower level players down playing for crumbs while they extend their own careers.
 
socallefty said:
They have a fluid relationship meaning they will do PR together and say whatever in interviews to make the most money possible and increase their combined influence on the ATP so that they can keep lower level players down playing for crumbs and extend their own careers.
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Yes that is what he actually wanted to say.

It is Synergy

They care least for the downtrodden and cater to the elites.
 
The Big Foe fan said:
Fed 2008 Wimbledon
Fed 2009 Australia
Nadal 2006 Wimbledon
Djokovic 2010 uso
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Federer W 08/AO 09 the same as W 06 Nadal and USO 10 Djokovic? The former was a way way closer match unless you would think the later two winners were a lot better which you might do.
 
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NoleFam said:
Well neither were bad performances but AO 2013 is the one I remember being the more high quality match. Of course, 2015 Djokovic coud turn up the heat and deliver bagels back then but it seemed like in the middle of the match, the level dropped a bit.
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@Mainad might disagree with me but I rewatched the 2013 final earlier this year and thought Djokovic outplayed Murray in the first set apart from the tiebreak. Djokovic should've broken Murray in that first set
 
The Guru said:
Oh trust me I love the 2012 final. It's the best match I've ever watched. However, largely because of the draw Novak just had more legs in 13/15. I mean Novak won the 13 final off of superior physicality as they were dead even through 2 sets but Djokovic was able to keep it up and Murray slowly wilted physically. In 12 Djokovic had some bail out trigger pulls and moments of waning effort that weren't present in the other two matches. Yes 2012 went 5 but I don't think the Djokodal rallies are more physical than Murrovic ones often they are less physical. Also the courts in 13/15 up the general effectiveness of Djokovic's game the 12 court is too slow for him. I mean it's super close but my general feeling is that 12 Djok/13 Djok are on basically the same level except that 13 was fresher. 12 maybe had a little more sting on his groundies but not enough to make up for the difference in stamina. Then I think 15 was just a tiny bit better than both with the improved serve and that match is also one of his all time returning clinics. He absolutely pounded Murray's second serve in that match.
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I agree with you about the courts being way too slow in 2012, and 2012 and 2013 Djokovic being on the same level. We have to remember his destruction of Ferrer in 2013. I do think the rallies in the Djokovic/Nadal rivalry were of a higher physical level than the ones between Djokovic/Murray though. Murray was a more defensive player than Nadal who had insane defense to offense skills which made Djokovic have to go into his higher gears. I probably need to rewatch the 201 match again because it's one that I don't remember much about. I do remember how strong he ended the match though.
 
The Big Foe fan said:
Djokovic should have rightfully finished the 2012 final in 4 sets. He had no business losing 4th.
But he turned into Djokob**ch and almost allowed nadal to win a match he had no business winning.
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Yea he was up 5-3 in the tiebreak and lost the next two points on forehand errors. He probably should have ended it there, and was similiar to their match at 2013 RG in reverse, but it did make for a great and dramatic final set.
 
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