Rafael Nadal to make return in Acapulco

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nikdom

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its an advert from way back..:)

some bloke ski-ing like that to hand his mystery lady in bed a box of chocolates anyone can get from a petrol station or a shop lol. :oops::D

Yeah saw another one where the guy swims to a boat chased by a shark to leave her a box of chocolates
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
It is his prerogative to play but he should have manned up to lose in a dignified manner to Cilic instead of retiring and talking about his injuries and ATP schedule in the press conference. In the process take away any credit for Cilic who scored a comeback win from 1-2 sets down.
 

Fiero425

Legend
It is his prerogative to play but he should have manned up to lose in a dignified manner to Cilic instead of retiring and talking about his injuries and ATP schedule in the press conference. In the process take away any credit for Cilic who scored a comeback win from 1-2 sets down.

Don't you know, if ever Rafa loses, there has to be another reason than someone's actually beating him! He's either hurt or has some emotional turmoil going on! :rolleyes:
 

D.Nalby12

G.O.A.T.
Nadal was injured in Paris, WTF and in the AO. Amazing thing is he progressed just enough to retain his #1 ranking in all these tournaments. When Federer closed the gap defending his AO title, he needed to play Acapulco MM event in order to retain his top ranking. And what a surprise he is suddenly healthy enough to play! Who would have predicted this after his AO press conference? (Hint - Everyone who has decoded his injury patterns over a decade.)

To sum up in short - Nadal' injuries come and go according to his needs.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
I don't think it's about the #1 ranking. He knows he's lucky to have it and he doesn't expect to keep it.
The truth is he is playing everything because he expects to lose early more often than not. He has no confidence in himself any more.

Federer obviously has the belief - putting all his eggs into a few baskets and so far it's coming off.



Fedfans' speculations about Rafa never cease to amaze me! Rafa's schedule contains almost the same number of tournaments that it has contained during many years (one fewer than last year).

As for Fed, he reduced his schedule when he turned 35-36 years old. So, to praphrase you, 'he had no confidence in himself' before that.
 
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octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
This guy is playing everything in his sight for more than year now. Yet he wants to believe is he is "injured" or even further blames ATP for "injuries".
Nadal was injured in Paris, WTF and in the AO. Amazing thing is he progressed just enough to retain his #1 ranking in all these tournaments. When Federer closed the gap defending his AO title, he needed to play Acapulco MM event in order to retain his top ranking. And what a surprise he is suddenly healthy enough to play! Who would have predicted this after his AO press conference? (Hint - Everyone who has decoded his injury patterns over a decade.)

To sum up in short - Nadal' injuries come and go according to his needs.


To sum up in short: Fedfans' made-up stories about Rafa never cease to amaze me!
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...eturn-in-acapulco.609715/page-4#post-12006342

I keep wondering what forces Fedfans to constantly tell lies about Rafa. :rolleyes:
 
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zagor

Bionic Poster
I can't stand Nadal's moaning constantly about this and that and yes, yet again his actions, i.e. playing a useless 500 tournament in Acapulco, contradict his criticism of too many tournaments on tour, but in all fairness to him, why wouldn't he try and sustain his #1? This is sports and he's an elite competitor after all. He's Federer's rival when it comes to all things tennis. You bet he'll go after Fed's slam record, try and prevent Federer from achieving #1 again, etc.

Of course he should try to keep #1 (health permitting) but you have to admit that playing 500 HC tourney is just hilarious in the light of his recent statements. Of course Nadal is not like other players, from what I hear his training regime is even brutal than actual match play but the point still stands. No one complains more about the rigors of the tour yet he then goes on to play 500 HC tourneys, both singles and doubles in IW/Miami, Paris (which most top players skip) etc.

Personally, I'm glad he's playing though. I hope he keeps that #1 carrot as far away from Fed as he can for the time being.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Of course he should try to keep #1 (health permitting) but you have to admit that playing 500 HC tourney is just hilarious in the light of his recent statements. Of course Nadal is not like other players, from what I hear his training regime is even brutal than actual match play but the point still stands. No one complains more about the rigors of the tour yet he then goes on to play 500 HC tourneys, both singles and doubles in IW/Miami, Paris (which most top players skip) etc.

Personally, I'm glad he's playing though. I hope he keeps that #1 carrot as far away from Fed as he can for the time being.

eh, Nadal doesn't play Acapulco, fed becomes #1 without having to play Rotterdam/Dubai.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
eh, Nadal doesn't play Acapulco, fed becomes #1 without having to play Rotterdam/Dubai.

True but if Fed becomes #1 he may feel the need to put more effort into defending Miami for example to keep the #1 spot.

I honestly feel that #1 ranking is a detriment to Fed at this point so I'd prefer for Nadal to have it. Both seeds get the same draw (in theory), Fed doesn't handle the pressure of being the favourite as well as he used to but still can't resist altering his schedule when #1 ranking is in the reach.

No one will convince me Fed deciding to play Montreal last year wasn't him going after the top ranking. That decision cost him a shot at USO title. He should focus and slams and take the #1 ranking if it comes but not actively chase it.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
True but if Fed becomes #1 he may feel the need to put more effort into defending Miami for example to keep the #1 spot.

I honestly feel that #1 ranking is a detriment to Fed at this point so I'd prefer for Nadal to have it. Both seeds get the same draw (in theory), Fed doesn't handle the pressure of being the favourite as well as he used to but still can't resist altering his schedule when #1 ranking is in the reach.

No one will convince me Fed deciding to play Montreal last year wasn't him going after the top ranking. That decision cost him a shot at USO title. He should focus and slams and take the #1 ranking if it comes but not actively chase it.

I don't think so. Fed will skip Miami if he doesn't feel like his body won't co-operate. In 17, he had taken a long rest b/w Miami and the grass season . One more month gap b/w Wimbledon and Montreal. Honestly, the Montreal injury was an unexpected one. He hadn't over-played. Could've happened at Cincy as well. The argument against that I suppose would be that he hadn't prepared fully for Montreal. He won't make the same mistake again.

Fed really deserves atleast a short stint at #1 for what he's done in 2017-till now. Deserves to become oldest guy to become #1.
Nadal can have it back after IW-Miami.


What happens after clay season remains to be seen.

Edit : Also, Rotterdam/Dubai +IW is a better combo for Federer's game & body compared to IW+Miami.
 

D.Nalby12

G.O.A.T.
Federer has made very dumb scheduling choices lately - playing Montreal instead of Cincy, skipping Paris etc. Not playing Dubai would be another one imo. This might be his last chance to be #1.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Federer has made very dumb scheduling choices lately - playing Montreal instead of Cincy, skipping Paris etc. Not playing Dubai would be another one imo. This might be his last chance to be #1.

I sincerely doubt he'll play Paris again, just too close to Basel which he's always gonna play until he retires. I do think he should skip Montreal and Miami (and obviously the CC season), definitely.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
Of course he should try to keep #1 (health permitting) but you have to admit that playing 500 HC tourney is just hilarious in the light of his recent statements. Of course Nadal is not like other players, from what I hear his training regime is even brutal than actual match play but the point still stands. No one complains more about the rigors of the tour yet he then goes on to play 500 HC tourneys, both singles and doubles in IW/Miami, Paris (which most top players skip) etc.

Personally, I'm glad he's playing though. I hope he keeps that #1 carrot as far away from Fed as he can for the time being.

I admit it's hilarious that Rafa's attackers keep attacking him, pretending that Rafa said something that he hadn't said before and he hasn't scheduled (almost) the same number of tournaments for years.
 

D.Nalby12

G.O.A.T.
I sincerely doubt he'll play Paris again, just too close to Basel which he's always gonna play until he retires. I do think he should skip Montreal and Miami (and obviously the CC season), definitely.

I think there is a gap of one week between Paris and WTF these days. He skipped it in past because those used to be in back to back weeks. And there is still gap between Basel and Shanghai.

Last year was special. He could have got YE#1 trophy, had he played Paris instead of Basel. He had to play two tournaments after Shanghai anyway. So why not Paris + WTF when he needed extra points. That's why I think it was dumb decision, he took it riding on emotions.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
I think there is a gap of one week between Paris and WTF these days. He skipped it in past because those used to be in back to back weeks. And there is still gap between Basel and Shanghai.

Last year was special. He could have got YE#1 trophy, had he played Paris instead of Basel. He had to play two tournaments after Shanghai anyway. So why not Paris + WTF when he needed extra points. That's why I think it was dumb decision, he took it riding on emotions.

Fed will always choose to play Basel, just the way it is. He's not gonna skip it in one his last years on tour, not even because of #1 ranking.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
I admit it's hilarious that Rafa's attackers keep attacking him, pretending that Rafa said something that he hadn't said before and he hasn't scheduled (almost) the same number of tournaments for years.

Hey, I'm not attacking him. He can play whenever he wants, it's his schedule.
 
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True but if Fed becomes #1 he may feel the need to put more effort into defending Miami for example to keep the #1 spot.

I honestly feel that #1 ranking is a detriment to Fed at this point so I'd prefer for Nadal to have it. Both seeds get the same draw (in theory), Fed doesn't handle the pressure of being the favourite as well as he used to but still can't resist altering his schedule when #1 ranking is in the reach.

No one will convince me Fed deciding to play Montreal last year wasn't him going after the top ranking. That decision cost him a shot at USO title. He should focus and slams and take the #1 ranking if it comes but not actively chase it.

I personally don't think he is looking to hold onto it. IMO, his goal is to be the oldest world number one of all time, and also the biggest difference from when he first became number one in 2004 to now. He is looking for those milestones, he doesn't need more weeks at number one, he has that locked down already. And he even stated that now he does not see too much difference between 1 and 2 as far as draws go and is happy with where he is. He is just looking to capture that milestone, and that is what Nadal is trying to stop.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
I personally don't think he is looking to hold onto it. IMO, his goal is to be the oldest world number one of all time, and also the biggest difference from when he first became number one in 2004 to now. He is looking for those milestones, he doesn't need more weeks at number one, he has that locked down already. And he even stated that now he does not see too much difference between 1 and 2 as far as draws go and is happy with where he is. He is just looking to capture that milestone, and that is what Nadal is trying to stop.

That's a good point, he may be satisfied just getting there at this stage (and getting the record of oldest #1) but hopefully isn't deluded enough try to hold on to it.

Funny how we've reached that stage in Fedal's careers where almost every other week is some tennis record, new milestone etc. it's getting hard to keep track. Will be the same for Novak if he goes back to winning big titles.

That's some stranglehold on the game these guys have.
 
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That's a good point, he may be satisfied just getting there at this stage (and getting the record of oldest #1) but hopefully isn't deluded enough try to hold on to it.

Funny how we've reached that stage in Fedal's careers where almost every other week is some tennis record, new milestone etc. it's getting hard to keep track. Will be the same for Novak if he goes back to winning big titles.

That's some stranglehold on the game these guys have.

I think any delusion was set straight for him after what happened in Montreal, where he focused on chasing that number one ranking. For him now, he wants it, sure, who doesn't? But his reasons for wanting it are a little different than others imo,
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
I personally don't think he is looking to hold onto it. IMO, his goal is to be the oldest world number one of all time, and also the biggest difference from when he first became number one in 2004 to now. He is looking for those milestones, he doesn't need more weeks at number one, he has that locked down already. And he even stated that now he does not see too much difference between 1 and 2 as far as draws go and is happy with where he is. He is just looking to capture that milestone, and that is what Nadal is trying to stop.

Hmm. Rafa follows his schedule made a long time ago.
 
It is his prerogative to play but he should have manned up to lose in a dignified manner to Cilic instead of retiring and talking about his injuries and ATP schedule in the press conference. In the process take away any credit for Cilic who scored a comeback win from 1-2 sets down.

You have to remember, though, in these press conferences he is responding to the questions he is asked.

If the number #1 player in the world gets struck down with an injury in the middle of a match when he is winning and they have to stop the match it's big news. A lot of journalists will want to know about his health.

In this particular case if you look at the transcripts most of the journalists questions are all about if he is okay and finding out about the injuries and what is causing them. The injury topic is one of the biggest stories in tennis generally so they asked more broadly about that, too. No one better equipped to talk about it than a pro who played as many matches as he did last year.

Nadal is really just talking about what he is asked to talk about and nothing more.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
He's designed a schedule in part to keep hold of the Number One position. He proved that last year with his strategic withdrawals when 'hurt'.

Rafa has 'designed' approximately the same schedule (almost the same number of tournaments) for years.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
You have to remember, though, in these press conferences he is responding to the questions he is asked.

If the number #1 player in the world gets struck down with an injury in the middle of a match when he is winning and they have to stop the match it's big news. A lot of journalists will want to know about his health.

In this particular case if you look at the transcripts most of the journalists questions are all about if he is okay and finding out about the injuries and what is causing them. The injury topic is one of the biggest stories in tennis generally so they asked more broadly about that, too. No one better equipped to talk about it than a pro who played as many matches as he did last year.

Nadal is really just talking about what he is asked to talk about and nothing more.

His attackers (you replied to one) are obviuosly following their agenda here...
 
Federer has made very dumb scheduling choices lately - playing Montreal instead of Cincy, skipping Paris etc. Not playing Dubai would be another one imo. This might be his last chance to be #1.

When Federer pulled out of Cincy, that wasn't a matter of playing Montreal instead of Cincy. The intention was to play both but he had to withdraw with injury. In hindsight it overloaded him to try and play everything but he wanted to see if he could still play a full U.S. summer hardcourt season.
 
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MugOpponent

Hall of Fame
I don't really understand why Fedfans dog Roger for playing Montreal last year. He got hurt, played through it and nearly won(almost certainly would have if it didn't render him unable to move.). The same thing easily could have happened in Cincinnati or the US Open. It's just how the cookie crumbles,sometimes nobody is at fault and life happens.
 

Pagoo

G.O.A.T.
I don't really understand why Fedfans dog Roger for playing Montreal last year. He got hurt, played through it and nearly won(almost certainly would have if it didn't render him unable to move.). The same thing easily could have happened in Cincinnati or the US Open. It's just how the cookie crumbles,sometimes nobody is at fault and life happens.

I think the reason is, Federer came to Montreal unprepared. A few days prior he was vacationing in Italy. Then seemingly out of the blues, he announced he was playing. I thought it was a bad idea at the time, and still do.
 
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