Rafael Nadal to make return in Acapulco

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
And as I said, that's your opinion on how I state my opinion, and it doesn't mean much to me personally. I will state my opinion how I see fit, I don't expect everyone to agree.

Stating your opinion as a fact = a made-up story.
 

Feather

Legend
My point is: you tend to state your opinion as a fact, not as an opinion.

Disgaree! I felt that Hitman is just voicing his opinion, like every single guy in this forum.

I think you are becoming overtly sensitive. Neither Zagor nor Hitman is saying that, Rafa trying to break the slam record, with a negative connotation. It's what Rafa should do and I would expect any great player to do the same. Rafa is not just some ordinary Tennis player but a legend, so he should try for the slam record. What is there to be offended by the statement that Rafa is trying for the slam record? I honestly don't understand
 
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Disgaree! I felt that Hitman is just voicing his opinion, like every single guy of us in this forum.

I think you are becoming overtly sensitive. Neither Zagor nor Hitman is saying that, Rafa trying to break the slam record, with a negative connotation. It's what Rafa should do and I would expect any great player to do the same. Rafa is not just some ordinary Tennis player but a legend, so he should try for the slam record. What is there to be offended by the statement that Rafa is trying for the slam record? I honestly don't understand

When you are good as Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, and you have accomplished so much, you play for the history books, for even more immortality. Federer wanted the record from Sampras, Nadal and Djokovic want it from Federer. That is how driven, goal orientated, ATG approach the game and what sets them apart from others.

Oh, I better put IMO, in case someone gets upset.
 
True but if Fed becomes #1 he may feel the need to put more effort into defending Miami for example to keep the #1 spot.

I honestly feel that #1 ranking is a detriment to Fed at this point so I'd prefer for Nadal to have it. Both seeds get the same draw (in theory), Fed doesn't handle the pressure of being the favourite as well as he used to but still can't resist altering his schedule when #1 ranking is in the reach.

No one will convince me Fed deciding to play Montreal last year wasn't him going after the top ranking. That decision cost him a shot at USO title. He should focus and slams and take the #1 ranking if it comes but not actively chase it.

Federer is not stupid.

He would want to set the record, after which to proceed with his normal schedule.

He knows that as long as he keeps the ranking points close that would put pressure on Nadal to keep playing to keep the #1 ranking.

The carrot is, in fact, for Nadal and Federer holds it in his hand, if he keeps it close.

Last year was an unfortunate coincidence.

Federer knows that he can get injured at any moment, so he plans to play where it seems reasonable. I think he played Montreal, because he thought that Cincy is too close to USO and he could not sustain a high enough level for such a period, no matter what.

It is unfortunate that he injured himself, but that is sport sometimes.

:cool:
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
Disgaree! I felt that Hitman is just voicing his opinion, like every single guy in this forum.

I think you are becoming overtly sensitive. Neither Zagor nor Hitman is saying that, Rafa trying to break the slam record, with a negative connotation. It's what Rafa should do and I would expect any great player to do the same. Rafa is not just some ordinary Tennis player but a legend, so he should try for the slam record. What is there to be offended by the statement that Rafa is trying for the slam record? I honestly don't understand

I have written about the difference between facts and opinions.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Rafa knows the impact he has on the tour; look how he put the SA tournaments on the map in 2013 by his participation so let's be happy if he wants to play a full season, after all he's not been able to do that on many occasions due to injury.
 
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Rafa knows the impact he has on the tour; look how he put the SA tournaments on the map in 2013 by his participation so let's be happy if he wants to play a full season, after all he's not been able to do that on many occasions due to injury.
Rafa knows his body better than anyone but imo if he plays a schedule like that his body will break.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
I think the reason is, Federer came to Montreal unprepared. A few days prior he was vacationing in Italy. Then seemingly out of the blues, he announced he was playing. I thought it was a bad idea at the time, and still do.
Fred will disagree with you; in an interview in 2015, in humblebrag mode he said:

“For most of the day I was not even aware — I mean, I knew I had a match tonight, but I was just wandering around doing stuff with my wife and my kids,” he added. “I looked at the watch and I was like, ‘Oh, I play in a three or four hours. I better get over there and get warmed up.’

“I can switch it on very quickly. I only need literally like 10 minutes to really get ready for the match. Another guy needs to sit there for two hours and think about the match.”

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...r/news-story/47ea31bbeba47a09bb6d780ea1f3fa9c
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Of course he should try to keep #1 (health permitting) but you have to admit that playing 500 HC tourney is just hilarious in the light of his recent statements. Of course Nadal is not like other players, from what I hear his training regime is even brutal than actual match play but the point still stands. No one complains more about the rigors of the tour yet he then goes on to play 500 HC tourneys, both singles and doubles in IW/Miami, Paris (which most top players skip) etc.

Personally, I'm glad he's playing though. I hope he keeps that #1 carrot as far away from Fed as he can for the time being.

I agree with your first paragraph but as for your second, all Federer would need to do is to take the #1 away from Nadal for one minute and thus Federer would be the oldest #1 and he could knock that stat off his bucket list. I agree with you that Federer shouldn't eagerly chase #1 to the detriment of his well-being. Being healthy and winning another slam or two would be more important at this stage.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Nadal will have some stiff competition in Acapulco and a tougher draw in all probability. A win there would be impressive.
 
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
You must also distinguish a fact from a statement. If Nadal makes a statement that by itself does not make it a fact. It just makes it his official view about a state of affairs.

If he says he is injured that is not a fact. It is a statement that relies on a host of facts none of which we are given access to, so it is simply his official view about his health.

It is not an observable fact, but a claim or an opinion that he feels, without public proof, is true about his situation. In short, you deal in opinion even if it is Nadal's official opinion.

I repeat: I have written about the difference between stating your opinion as an opinion and stating your opinion as a fact.
 

justasport

Professional
Rafa will probably play Acapulco. Roger will probably play Dubai. Thus, the battle for #1 will commence on opposite sides of the world.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The Dubai field is much weaker than the Acapulco one. I can see Roger winning easily and Nadal struggling.

I'm almost tempted to say that it's not really fair for Nadal, but he chose the event.

Rafa will probably play Acapulco. Roger will probably play Dubai. Thus, the battle for #1 will commence on opposite sides of the world.
 

irishnadalfan1983

Hall of Fame
Of course he should try to keep #1 (health permitting) but you have to admit that playing 500 HC tourney is just hilarious in the light of his recent statements. Of course Nadal is not like other players, from what I hear his training regime is even brutal than actual match play but the point still stands. No one complains more about the rigors of the tour yet he then goes on to play 500 HC tourneys, both singles and doubles in IW/Miami, Paris (which most top players skip) etc.

Personally, I'm glad he's playing though. I hope he keeps that #1 carrot as far away from Fed as he can for the time being.

Agreed - said it earlier and will say it again - playing tournaments like Acapulco is silly irrespective of points...If he gets scheduling correct I think he could still win another 2/3 slams....
 

Fedforever

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When you are good as Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, and you have accomplished so much, you play for the history books, for even more immortality. Federer wanted the record from Sampras, Nadal and Djokovic want it from Federer. That is how driven, goal orientated, ATG approach the game and what sets them apart from others.

Oh, I better put IMO, in case someone gets upset.

You might like this interview with Stan https://tennistranslations.wordpress.com/

As someone who exercises only to be healthy I always find the motivations of these people quite mystifying (my daughter is a competitive junior rower but her motivation is all about being with her friends) so I found this really interesting.
 
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You might like this interview with Stan https://tennistranslations.wordpress.com/

As someone who exercises only to be healthy I always find the motivations of these people quite mystifying (my daughter is a competitive junior rower but her motivation is all about being with her friends) so I found this really interesting.

I understand it at a deeper than most would, since I spent a lot of my adult life as a competitive natural bodybuilder and muscle and fitness model, competed at multiple competitions at very high levels all over the world. I have trained through all kinds of injuries, broken bones, torn tendons, nerve damage, internal bleeding etc Just to keep putting myself in a position where I know I can be my best and do what I need to...my body has taken a complete beating over the years, being married to the Iron...would I change anything? Probably not, since that is just my mind set, to get the absolute best out of myself even when I trained hurt.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Fred will disagree with you; in an interview in 2015, in humblebrag mode he said:

“For most of the day I was not even aware — I mean, I knew I had a match tonight, but I was just wandering around doing stuff with my wife and my kids,” he added. “I looked at the watch and I was like, ‘Oh, I play in a three or four hours. I better get over there and get warmed up.’

“I can switch it on very quickly. I only need literally like 10 minutes to really get ready for the match. Another guy needs to sit there for two hours and think about the match.”

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...r/news-story/47ea31bbeba47a09bb6d780ea1f3fa9c
I thought Nadal has some restaurants or hotels in Acapulco or something?
 

merlinpinpin

Hall of Fame
Edit : Also, Rotterdam/Dubai +IW is a better combo for Federer's game & body compared to IW+Miami.

Yes, by far. We've talked about it a couple of times already, but there's no comparison, really. Miami is just about the worst tournament for him now, schedule-wise (with Paris Bercy, ofc). Plus, if he's chasing Connors (and he obviously is, if not actively), an indoor 500 is a much better choice than a two-week 1000 with much solwer conditions. Won't happen, though, which is a bit of the shame (also, Miami has the added drawback that it basically gives him no choice as far as clay goes; should he play Miami after good results at Dubai-IW, skipping the whole clay season becomes almots mandatory for him).
 
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merlinpinpin

Hall of Fame
That's a good point, he may be satisfied just getting there at this stage (and getting the record of oldest #1) but hopefully isn't deluded enough try to hold on to it.

Funny how we've reached that stage in Fedal's careers where almost every other week is some tennis record, new milestone etc. it's getting hard to keep track. Will be the same for Novak if he goes back to winning big titles.

That's some stranglehold on the game these guys have.

Agree with Hitman. At this stage, I think he's just looking for the "oldest #1" thingy, even if it's just for one week. Of course, should he get a shot at oldest YE #1 after the slam season is done, I think he'll take it, but he won't change his schedule to try and defend it, imho. ;)
 

merlinpinpin

Hall of Fame
When you are good as Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, and you have accomplished so much, you play for the history books, for even more immortality. Federer wanted the record from Sampras, Nadal and Djokovic want it from Federer. That is how driven, goal orientated, ATG approach the game and what sets them apart from others.

Oh, I better put IMO, in case someone gets upset.

You forgot the "h", though. And whether it's for humblerer, humbalito, humblest mightiest warrior or humbly goat, the h part if pretty important, imho... ;)
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
That's a good point, he may be satisfied just getting there at this stage (and getting the record of oldest #1) but hopefully isn't deluded enough try to hold on to it.

Funny how we've reached that stage in Fedal's careers where almost every other week is some tennis record, new milestone etc. it's getting hard to keep track. Will be the same for Novak if he goes back to winning big titles.

That's some stranglehold on the game these guys have.
I think and hope this is the case. Not playing Paris proved to me that he learned from Montreal. He won't chase it at all costs and he won't try to maintain it at all costs. But he would like to get there and quite frankly, I don't see any negatives in playing Dubai, health permitting.
Also, he does deserve to get there after the last 12-13 months, where he's been the best player, more or less whenever he's been playing.

To the extent that Montreal was not just a freak accident (which we really have no way of telling), the injury came because he wasn't fully prepared and decided to play it on a whimp. I trust that if he does play Dubai, he decides well in advance and manages to get his body ready to compete.
 
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