Rafa's biggest achievement since he hired Moya (so far)?

Rafa's biggest achievement since he hired Moya?

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I thought Rafa's career was as good as done in 2016 but in the five years since he added Moya to his team, Rafa's tennis career suddenly got resurrected and he achieved many things that seemed like it was out of reach when his fellow Spaniard first joined his team.

For me, it's the Double Career Slam, then those two YEN1s, then 7 majors after age 30, and then La Decima (in that order). Passing Fed is great for him but obviously the slam race isn't going to be over anytime soon so that's why I didn't put it there
 
Rafa's career had been stagnant before he switched from Uncle Toni to Moya. That must have been a difficult change for all involved.
I voted '7 majors after 30'. But perhaps the biggest thrill for me occurred just last week. That win covered several bases.
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I voted the 3 hard court slams. From a coach's contribution point of view I believe Moya has really helped Rafa remain competitive in hard court slams. Rafa was always likely to add more FO with or without Moya. However the change in game style (Faster serve, shortening points etc.) have helped him in Hard court slams a lot. He has won 3 HC slams since 2017 and lost 2 HC slam finals. So he has consistently been in contention.
 
Fintft said:
Didn't he show it first for a set in the AO final against Djokovic? Was it in 2017?
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He showed it far far before then. RG ‘17 though was a crowning achievement, a level that will not be reached for decades on clay. Nadal is going to be f the first mentioned player in every GOAT conversation and his late career level has a ton to do with it. His FH breaks down any backhand and Moya has really helped him to use it in serve+1 flattening situations.
 
Kralingen said:
He showed it far far before then. RG ‘17 though was a crowning achievement, a level that will not be reached for decades on clay. Nadal is going to be f the first mentioned player in every GOAT conversation and his late career level has a ton to do with it. His FH breaks down any backhand and Moya has really helped him to use it in serve+1 flattening situations.
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True but it was in AO when he used to get a set out of Djokovic and I was wishing he'd do it all the time on hc.
 
Kralingen said:
He showed it far far before then. RG ‘17 though was a crowning achievement, a level that will not be reached for decades on clay. Nadal is going to be f the first mentioned player in every GOAT conversation and his late career level has a ton to do with it. His FH breaks down any backhand and Moya has really helped him to use it in serve+1 flattening situations.
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It really was a ridiculous level
 
Kralingen said:
He showed it far far before then. RG ‘17 though was a crowning achievement, a level that will not be reached for decades on clay. Nadal is going to be f the first mentioned player in every GOAT conversation and his late career level has a ton to do with it. His FH breaks down any backhand and Moya has really helped him to use it in serve+1 flattening situations.
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His cross court FH has declined though , now he plays it mostly as a rally shot , ridiculous angles that he would hit with his cross fh are thing of past.
 
One amazing change for me is that Rafa doesn't seem to require long successful lead-in campaigns before majors anymore.

He can rest, relax, and he really only needs a few successful matches or one big tournament and can still have a successful major campaign (even on clay).

I'm not sure how much credit goes to Rafa or Carlos for this change, but it is saving him a huge amount of wear and tear at a very critical stage of his career.
 
Subway Tennis said:
One amazing change for me is that Rafa doesn't seem to require long successful lead-in campaigns before majors anymore.

He can rest, relax, and he really only needs a few successful matches or one big tournament and can still have a successful major campaign (even on clay).

I'm not sure how much credit goes to Rafa or Carlos for this change, but it is saving him a huge amount of wear and tear at a very critical stage of his career.
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Maybe some credit goes to....ATP?
 
Subway Tennis said:
One amazing change for me is that Rafa doesn't seem to require long successful lead-in campaigns before majors anymore.

He can rest, relax, and he really only needs a few successful matches or one big tournament and can still have a successful major campaign (even on clay).

I'm not sure how much credit goes to Rafa or Carlos for this change, but it is saving him a huge amount of wear and tear at a very critical stage of his career.
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Agreed, he used to be like the Juggernaut where he needed momentum to get rolling. My dude started the year 10-0 and came out of so many tough grueling matches it's amazing.
 
Breaking the slam record...

That is the crowning achievement... the slam record is what separates him from Federer now when all is said and done...

21 > 20
 
weakera said:
That is so true. Since 2017 at slams, Nadal is 16/17 in reaching QF or later with the one other result being 4R.

And 13/17 SF or later. Just amazing.
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Yeah, nah we're in a weak era now though...

lol even if true, a weak era post 30 years of age is nowhere near as bad as a weak era when at peak level tennis...

Could you imagine peak Rafa with the field from 04-07... He'd win the triple career slam
 
Cupcake said:
Rafa's career had been stagnant before he switched from Uncle Toni to Moya. That must have been a difficult change for all involved.
I voted '7 majors after 30'. But perhaps the biggest thrill for me occurred just last week. That win covered several bases.
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No, switching from Toni Nadal to Moya as a coach wasn't difficult. It was a smooth transition. After Moya joined the Rafa Team, Toni continued to travel with the team for a year. Besides, Moya was Rafa's childhood hero and they have known each other since Rafa was 12- 13 years old. Moya mentored Rafa on the ATP Tour, when the latter became a professional player at age 15, and they have been good friends ever since. Moya said he didn't need any period of adaptation to the Rafa Team because it’s like a family, he has always been one of the family members, even if he has been outside. Rafa and C.Moya were both born in Mallorca and speak the same language - Mallorquín (the variety of Catalan spoken in Mallorca). So, they can easily understand each other.

As for hiring Moya, Toni Nadal called him and offered him a job at the Rafa Team (and at Rafa's academy; Moya is the Technical Director of the academy.) Moya agreed on the condition that Rafa wants to win GS tournaments again.
An excerpt from Moya's interview with El Espanol in January 2017 (Translated from Spanish via Google):
¤¤ Question: "How did the opportunity to coach Nadal appear?"
C. MOYA: "Toni Nadal called me when I was playing the IPTL. He knew that I was no longer with Raonic and asked if I wanted to be part of the Rafa team and also academy. My answer was "yes" in principle, but I said I needed to talk to Rafa. I needed to know if he was willing to do everything to win again Grand Slam tournaments, to become the world's number one again ... And yes, he did have a hunger to win. For me, that was fundamental."¤¤
www.elespanol.com

Carlos Moyà: "Entrenar a Nadal es el mayor reto que voy a tener nunca"

El ex número uno habla con EL ESPAÑOL en Melbourne sobre su nueva etapa como entrenador del campeón de 14 grandes.
www.elespanol.com www.elespanol.com

Rafa said in September 2017 that Moya brought positive energy to the team.
Reuters, Sept. 2017: ¤¤ World number one Rafa Nadal says the addition of compatriot Carlos Moya to his coaching team has added freshness and positive energy to the Spaniard’s training routine.
Moya, a former world number one, joined Nadal's team to work with his uncle Toni Nadal last December and has helped revitalise the 31-year-old's career.
"Carlos has been a great support. He came with excitement and also the belief that with a few things, I could improve my results. And it has helped," Nadal told Spanish newspaper El Espanol.
"It has been a breath of fresh air, positive energy. We have changed the way we practice and for Toni it has been also good." ¤¤
www.reuters.com

Nadal hails Moya's impact on training routine

World number one Rafa Nadal says the addition of compatriot Carlos Moya to his coaching team has added freshness and positive energy to the Spaniard's training routine.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
 
octobrina10 said:
No, switching from Toni Nadal to Moya as a coach wasn't difficult. It was a smooth transition. After Moya joined the Rafa Team, Toni continued to travel with the team for a year. Besides, Moya was Rafa's childhood hero and they have known each other since Rafa was 12- 13 years old. Moya mentored Rafa on the ATP Tour, when the latter became a professional player at age 15, and they have been good friends ever since. Moya said he didn't need any period of adaptation to the Rafa Team because it’s like a family, he has always been one of the family members, even if he has been outside. Rafa and C.Moya were both born in Mallorca and speak the same language - Mallorquín (the variety of Catalan spoken in Mallorca). So, they can easily understand each other.

As for hiring Moya, Toni Nadal called him and offered him a job at the Rafa Team (and at Rafa's academy; Moya is the Technical Director of the academy.) Moya agreed on the condition that Rafa wants to win GS tournaments again.
An excerpt from Moya's interview with El Espanol in January 2017 (Translated from Spanish via Google):
¤¤ Question: "How did the opportunity to coach Nadal appear?"
C. MOYA: "Toni Nadal called me when I was playing the IPTL. He knew that I was no longer with Raonic and asked if I wanted to be part of the Rafa team and also academy. My answer was "yes" in principle, but I said I needed to talk to Rafa. I needed to know if he was willing to do everything to win again Grand Slam tournaments, to become the world's number one again ... And yes, he did have a hunger to win. For me, that was fundamental."¤¤
www.elespanol.com

Carlos Moyà: "Entrenar a Nadal es el mayor reto que voy a tener nunca"

El ex número uno habla con EL ESPAÑOL en Melbourne sobre su nueva etapa como entrenador del campeón de 14 grandes.
www.elespanol.com www.elespanol.com

Rafa said in September 2017 that Moya brought positive energy to the team.
Reuters, Sept. 2017: ¤¤ World number one Rafa Nadal says the addition of compatriot Carlos Moya to his coaching team has added freshness and positive energy to the Spaniard’s training routine.
Moya, a former world number one, joined Nadal's team to work with his uncle Toni Nadal last December and has helped revitalise the 31-year-old's career.
"Carlos has been a great support. He came with excitement and also the belief that with a few things, I could improve my results. And it has helped," Nadal told Spanish newspaper El Espanol.
"It has been a breath of fresh air, positive energy. We have changed the way we practice and for Toni it has been also good." ¤¤
www.reuters.com

Nadal hails Moya's impact on training routine

World number one Rafa Nadal says the addition of compatriot Carlos Moya to his coaching team has added freshness and positive energy to the Spaniard's training routine.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
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Regarding fresh air and positive energy, it was Moyá's idea to get Marc López into the team. So far, so good.
 
MichaelNadal said:
No one would have ever thought Nadal would be capable of that, amazing really. His consistency is another thing, he lost way more often in early rounds from 2012-2016
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Rafa lost 8 times before QF from 2012-2016. Since 2017, he's lost just once before QF and none in the last 4.5 years.

He's never had a 5-year stretch in his career where he was as consistent at slams as he's been since 2017 (even from 2008-2013, he lost 3 times before QFs at slams)
 
Entername said:
Rafa lost 8 times before QF from 2012-2016. Since 2017, he's lost just once before QF and none in the last 4.5 years. He's never had a 5-year stretch in his career where he was so consistent at slams (even from 2008-2013, he lost 3 times before QFs at slams)
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Incredible scenes:D
 
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