Ram left off US Davis Cup Team

jindra

Hall of Fame
doesn't winning the Davis cup for the US ultimately matter? This is to maximize the possibility of the team winning the cup. That's it. It's not about sponsorships or at least it shouldn't be in a team event. There was an extra slot

What about those tickets they sold in Malaga because of Ram not playing? :-D
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Meritocracy in tennis is not about results, it's about selling tickets and making money because sports is entertainment and nothing more. The four players were chosen because they would sell more tickets.

They had 5 slots though

They could have had all those 4, plus Ram...Fish decided to stick it to him for some reason.

Kind of a bad look to have the one vitally important brown guy getting shut out of the team for no good reason
 

ND-13

Legend
Tommy Paul deleted a tweet that said 'Rajeev has trouble playing any singles player ranked 1-8000, in singles or doubles'

Mardy Fish keeps insisting that they would have lost even if Rajeev played.

And they dont recognize that Rajeev has 2 emphatic straight set wins over the Italian pair just this year.
 

Fabresque

Legend
Fish is absolutely out of his mind.

If he has personal beef with Ram, he has to put it aside. It’s called being professional, you might dislike coworkers but when there’s a job to be done you put those differences aside. Rajeev Ram is top 3 itw in dubs and a former world number 1. This is a player you cannot leave out.

This reminds me of when Hewitt claimed Tomic “will never play for Australia as long as I’m captain” because of a personal spat. Sure, easy to say this when Bernie is 80-90 ranked in the world at the time. But if he was top 10 or even top 20? No way he isn’t taking him for Davis Cup.

I just don’t understand, regardless of the end result you give yourself the best chance to win.
 

onehandbh

G.O.A.T.
Meritocracy in tennis is not about results, it's about selling tickets and making money because sports is entertainment and nothing more. The four players were chosen because they would sell more tickets. The reason top tennis players are millionaires is not because they are good at tennis, it's because people want to watch them play tennis (which often correlates but not always). This is why sponsorships also have little to do with results and more to do with your image, where you live (US will pay more money) and how well you can entertain a crowd. Results matter, but are only a portion of what matters in any sport. God doesn't provide the prize money, it's businessmen running a business.
Tommy Paul brings in fans?
Jack Sock?
Taylor Fritz?

How much do they make in endorsements each year? More than Rajeev Ram, who has won a few grand slams?
 

atatu

Legend
Tommy Paul deleted a tweet that said 'Rajeev has trouble playing any singles player ranked 1-8000, in singles or doubles'

Mardy Fish keeps insisting that they would have lost even if Rajeev played.

And they dont recognize that Rajeev has 2 emphatic straight set wins over the Italian pair just this year.
I was just reminded that Tommy Paul showed up drunk at the 2017 US Open doubles against Fognini/Bolelli and lost 60, 60 in 35 minutes with Steve Johnson, very professional.
 

Robert F

Hall of Fame
Tommy Paul brings in fans?
Jack Sock?
Taylor Fritz?

How much do they make in endorsements each year? More than Rajeev Ram, who has won a few grand slams?

Unfortunately, despite Ram's success in doubles I wouldn't doubt that Pual and Sock get more endorsements than him.
Singles just gets so much more coverage and financial support.

The other day watching the ATP Finals doubles, they have the B-league announcers.
The tennis world needs to market doubles much better. Start showing good dubs matches over bad singles line-ups. Have the main announcers do the commentary.
 

Robert F

Hall of Fame
Tommy Paul deleted a tweet that said 'Rajeev has trouble playing any singles player ranked 1-8000, in singles or doubles'

Mardy Fish keeps insisting that they would have lost even if Rajeev played.

And they dont recognize that Rajeev has 2 emphatic straight set wins over the Italian pair just this year.

Paul's quote might not be too far off. But that shows you how different the dubs skills can be than singles. Clearly Ram has the game to dominate on the dubs tour and should have been on the DC team.
 

PMF

Semi-Pro
Leaving Ram out of the QF was a terrible mistake. Still don’t understand what happened TBH.
 

onehandbh

G.O.A.T.
Paul's quote might not be too far off. But that shows you how different the dubs skills can be than singles. Clearly Ram has the game to dominate on the dubs tour and should have been on the DC team.
It makes absolutely ZERO sense that he was not on the team and they only took FOUR people. All FIVE could have been on the team.

He could have contributed in doubles.

Fish is just being petty and should be fired.
 

JanMijer

Rookie
Bizarre comments from Fish.

Sock singlehandedly lost the tie, I have never seen him play so bad in doubles. If Sock played half decent the Americans could have won, no way were the Italians 'too good' to beat.

Tiafoe didn't play well either, bad effort by the whole team.
Sonego was on fire in that match. He served bigger with so many aces and his groundies were monstrous.
 

2ndServe

Hall of Fame
From the press conference after the YEC win:

"Very disappointed. I put in a lot of hard work this year to help the team get there," said Ram. "I felt like I had earned the spot, if you will. So I was quite surprised when I wasn't picked, and even more surprised to be honest that they only went with four players instead of five. That was the choice. But, yeah, I was hoping to be on the team for sure."

Haha I think I know I’ve seen better captaining from reluctant USTA 3.5 League captains. How is picking nobody and leaving a spot empty better than probably the current best US or world doubles player. If not Ram, take Isner who Sock has won a ton of titles with. Or anybody you can’t leave that spot empty. Even a rusty Mike Bryan would do.
 

JanMijer

Rookie
There has got to be a rule where a Davis Cup team captain must be a Grand Slam title holder. They know what it takes to win the biggest tournament in the world.
 

jl809

Hall of Fame
Tommy Paul deleted a tweet that said 'Rajeev has trouble playing any singles player ranked 1-8000, in singles or doubles'

Mardy Fish keeps insisting that they would have lost even if Rajeev played.

And they dont recognize that Rajeev has 2 emphatic straight set wins over the Italian pair just this year.
Jesus louisus, bunch of frat boys here. Paul is such an idiot lol
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
The one who should be fired first is the one who put the controversial Fish on the bench for the US team.
A decision that, given the events that have occurred, has been embarrassing and it shows one more time that the false pride to feel superior doesn't go well with teamwork.
:censored:
 
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nam416

Semi-Pro
Tommy Paul brings in fans?
Jack Sock?
Taylor Fritz?

How much do they make in endorsements each year? More than Rajeev Ram, who has won a few grand slams?
I dunno about fans/ endorsements, but Jack Sock and Fritz certainly bring in a glamour factor when their girlfriends cheer on them from the player's box. Don't know about Rajeev's SO, whether she/ he has glamour galore...
 

Silverbullet96

Hall of Fame
Deleted tweet by Tommy Paul.
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Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Fish decided to leave Rajeev Ram off the Davis Cup team, this makes no sense. I guess he's assuming Sock can win doubles with any of the other three guys on the team but I don't understand this decision. He opted to go with a 4 man team (Fritz, Tiafoe, Paul and Sock) but he's allowed five guys.

That is the reason why USA lost the davis cup match against Italy. This was the year US went all the way to the final and win but Fish cost us that. Next year make John macenroe the captain or Paul Goldstein would be good as well
 

fed1

Professional
They are circling the wagons in terms of damage control. The huge point is that is being missed is that Mardy could have taken his boys and still given Ram the 5th spot on the roster.
 
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tennisbuck

Hall of Fame
Surprised how much publicity this is getting. Other than on here, didn’t think people really care about DC anymore
 

ktx

Professional
The way fish talked about it in the interview Q with the tennis podcast guy it was a chemistry issue - which means it’s an issue with Ram playing with jack sock. Which is so dumb bc I’ve could have left old sock home and taken ram and kraijcek for his doubles team. If one of them gets hurt he still has Tiafoe who is a much better dubs player than Paul. The whole thing is bizarre. But yea I can’t see how you just leave someone who already won for you home entirely.
 
The decision not to include Ram is a bad one, and that is one thing, but Fish has now compounded things with his response. He has not actually explained why Ram was left off the team.

I will give Mardy credit for acknowledging that he is solely responsible for the decision, and he is owning it in that regard at least.

The most shocking/interesting thing to me is that Fish has demoralised both the playing roster and also Ram by making a very candid, unusual remark saying he believes there was nothing they could do and they would have lost regardless of the team they fielded. Very strange defeatist mentality to carry into Davis Cup, where we have seen the impossible happen in that atmosphere.

America has so many great coaches who would thrive in the Davis Cup captain role but US has been obsessed with picking celebrity style Davis Cup captains over the last 20 years. Time to go back and rethink that strategy imo and get people like Paul Goldstein and these very impressive lower profile coaches involved in the lead roles.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
Chemistry?! So between the #1 player in the World and a part-time has-been like Sock, he picks Sock? It's just unacceptable.
And Ram reached World #1 at age 38, which suggests he’s been finding ways to work on his game to improve even when he’s way past his physical peak.

Meanwhile, ex singles World #8 Sock is best known for dumping singles because he couldn’t give up pizza.
 

jindra

Hall of Fame
Surprised how much publicity this is getting. Other than on here, didn’t think people really care about DC anymore

It's a national team competition and American fans don't understand why the USA didn't field their best possible team.

This ain't the United States of Fish!!!

Stephen A Smith
 
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