Ramos did defuse the situation after the 1st warning: lost in the plot

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Why doesn't a single journalist point the fact Carlos Ramos was very courteous to Williams during the change-over at 1-1 and did in fact defuse the situation ?

One can hear the exchange "I know you didn't mean it".

This fact completely destroys the MSM narrative of an intentional escalation.

It was instead Williams who after losing her break at 3-2 went completely berserk at being penalized a second time, and then chose to make a mockery of the rules and good behavior because she couldn't handle being bested.
 
Media is fueling the fires. Mary Carillo was on MSNBC this morning defending Carlos. A writer who doesn't play tennis played the gender card. But it was balanced for the most part.
In the following show the host had four feminists on defending Serena's opinion that the whole matter was a matter of gender.
 
And just now it was promoted as "The Battle of The Sexes"
 
She seemed to calm down after their exchange during that changeover. But when he gave her the penalty for racquet abuse, that's when she got all crazy about wanting him to rescind the first warning. Which of course, he couldn't. You can't take back a code violation. That's when the whole "You stole a point from me" thing got started.
 
Agree. The only intentional escalation was on SW side. Martina Navratilova makes the same point. After the coaching penalty, the situation had been defused. Ramos and SW came to some kind of understanding. The players continued to play. Only after the service break and racket smash, which was an automatic ding, did Serena then explode. Not about the smash, but about the prior coaching thing. That was done, over, settled. As others have commented, it was as if she really didn't even understand how the rules worked (inconceivable). That retroactively the ump could take back both violations? No, she was getting beaten, things weren't going her way, and she spun out into an epic backdated tantrum that changed the narrative from a tennis match to a forum on sexism and treatment of women, with herself as the victim and focal point. She sought to inject her own excuse and asterisk on the match. What I am glad to see is that there is consensus that Naomi was thrashing her on the court, no one is really arguing that the outcome of the match was altered by the drama. There will be no asterisk on this match, just a historical footnote like 2009 and 2011...SW showing poor sportsmanship when losing.
 
Yet the headlines say, "Sports legends rally around Serena".
 
And yet, so many are still saying this was her coaches fault only and not hers. Fiddlesticks! She was obviously searching her box for communication, her lips were even moving in a dialogue. There is footage of this - seek it out.

There is one consistent element in Serena's blow-ups at the US Open; and that is Serena herself.
I was a fan of her's since her days as the little kid Williams sister but she needs to clean up her diva act.
Perhaps, some time should be spent talking about her obviously, purposely deceitful boast of never engaging in "coaching" and not even having a code.
She required a further penalty from CR bc she was so unrelenting in her abuse. There is no need for a single specific word. I believe that when CR explained her abuse as calling him a thief that is just obvious shorthand for communicating the problem to the senior tournament officials - who should have been watching and not needed ANY explanation anyway.

If you still want to think that Serena/ women receive unfair treatment relative to men then watch these and find me one event of a top 10 mens player matching her.


(Here she attempts to deny having threatened a tiny little lines person '....did’nt say I’ld kill you...' blah blah blah)

(Here she goes way over the line in peronalising things - 'you're a hater...'

(Here is the famous foot-fault. In general, even obvious footfaulters get pretty worked up when called on it. Serena's fault did not look purposeful, but she must accept the linesperson's call on this.)


(US OPEN 2018 thief)


Martina is not right in coddling Serena. Their should be no qualification clauses to water down the analysis that Serena was in the wrong.

That said, had I been in CR's shoes I would not have made the game penalty call, without first quietly notifying her ethat if she did not control herself the penalty would be enforced. End of, he was too weak in the early phase of the whole thing and then he too abruptly enforced.

But this is on Serena - and no one else.
 
Kavala said:
That said, had I been in CR's shoes I would not have made the game penalty call, without first quietly notifying her ethat if she did not control herself the penalty would be enforced. End of, he was too weak in the early phase of the whole thing and then he too abruptly enforced.

But this is on Serena - and no one else.
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He handled it exactly as he should have. He allowed her to vent and show her emotions. She crossed a very clear line by calling his ethics into question. He had no choice. Anyone who thinks that the code violation was for anything but the word "thief" is wrong. That was it. She called him a thief. That has a very clear and unacceptable implication and he acted accordingly. Nothing else was material at that moment. You question any official's integrity or impartiality in any sport and you're penalized. It's an automatic yellow in soccer. It's an automatic red in rugby (in fact, a player was suspended 11 weeks for calling a referee a ****ing cheat) You're automatically ejected in baseball. It's 15 yards in football, at least.

People will say that the comment wasn't worth a game penalty. They're ignorant of how the code works. The comment is certainly worthy of a code violation. The fact that it was a game penalty is due to her previous violations. The argument that CR should have ignored it because it would have cost a game is absurd. That's like a soccer referee ignoring a clearly dangerous foul and not giving a yellow because the player was already on a yellow. The foul either is or is not worthy of a yellow card, regardless of what happened before. This is the same.
 
After the lost break at 3-2 and the racket abuse, Ramos understood immediately that Serena was purposely escalating the situation (which he had defused back at 1-1) and chose to engage into a premeditated rant convinced she could get away with it.

You don't need to have super perception powers to realize it: she had a long history to boot.

It was deliberate, convenient and predictable.

In that situation the only possible action is to call her bluff and apply the rules.

Refusing to do so, or pleading with her will only result in more premeditated verbal abuse rather than it's cessation.

I'm very proud of CR.
 
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It was continuous haranguing during the changeovers as well; while the thief comment on it's own miiiiiiiiight have slid if that was all that was said, it ended up being the cherry on top of a smack-talk sundae with multiple layers on it. At some point, something had to give because Serena was showing no signs of stopping.
 
CdnUmp said:
...She called him a thief. That has a very clear and unacceptable implication and he acted accordingly...
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Are you kidding me ? She obviously meant it as a compliment. In context, “you’re a thief” means you’re acting cool. It’s an acknowledgment that we’re in some tough conditions but you’re handling it well: “you’re a thief” or “you’re so thief” and it’s derivatives. Where is William Safire when we need him.

I have a feeling the real issue may be a simple cultural misunderstanding.

 
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Kavala said:
And yet, so many are still saying this was her coaches fault only and not hers. Fiddlesticks! She was obviously searching her box for communication, her lips were even moving in a dialogue. There is footage of this - seek it out.

There is one consistent element in Serena's blow-ups at the US Open; and that is Serena herself.
I was a fan of her's since her days as the little kid Williams sister but she needs to clean up her diva act.
Perhaps, some time should be spent talking about her obviously, purposely deceitful boast of never engaging in "coaching" and not even having a code.
She required a further penalty from CR bc she was so unrelenting in her abuse. There is no need for a single specific word. I believe that when CR explained her abuse as calling him a thief that is just obvious shorthand for communicating the problem to the senior tournament officials - who should have been watching and not needed ANY explanation anyway.

If you still want to think that Serena/ women receive unfair treatment relative to men then watch these and find me one event of a top 10 mens player matching her.


(Here she attempts to deny having threatened a tiny little lines person '....did’nt say I’ld kill you...' blah blah blah)

(Here she goes way over the line in peronalising things - 'you're a hater...'

(Here is the famous foot-fault. In general, even obvious footfaulters get pretty worked up when called on it. Serena's fault did not look purposeful, but she must accept the linesperson's call on this.)


(US OPEN 2018 thief)


Martina is not right in coddling Serena. Their should be no qualification clauses to water down the analysis that Serena was in the wrong.

That said, had I been in CR's shoes I would not have made the game penalty call, without first quietly notifying her ethat if she did not control herself the penalty would be enforced. End of, he was too weak in the early phase of the whole thing and then he too abruptly enforced.

But this is on Serena - and no one else.
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I wonder if chair umpires are allowed to say something like, "You are asking for a verbal abuse penalty. Do you want one?" I think that would've also worked with Kyrgios without crossing the line into coaching - "Nick, you are playing worse than my blind grandmother. Do you want a medical trainer or a lack of effort penalty?"
 
Kavala said:
And yet, so many are still saying this was her coaches fault only and not hers. Fiddlesticks! She was obviously searching her box for communication, her lips were even moving in a dialogue. There is footage of this - seek it out.

There is one consistent element in Serena's blow-ups at the US Open; and that is Serena herself.
I was a fan of her's since her days as the little kid Williams sister but she needs to clean up her diva act.
Perhaps, some time should be spent talking about her obviously, purposely deceitful boast of never engaging in "coaching" and not even having a code.
She required a further penalty from CR bc she was so unrelenting in her abuse. There is no need for a single specific word. I believe that when CR explained her abuse as calling him a thief that is just obvious shorthand for communicating the problem to the senior tournament officials - who should have been watching and not needed ANY explanation anyway.

If you still want to think that Serena/ women receive unfair treatment relative to men then watch these and find me one event of a top 10 mens player matching her.


(Here she attempts to deny having threatened a tiny little lines person '....did’nt say I’ld kill you...' blah blah blah)

(Here she goes way over the line in peronalising things - 'you're a hater...'

(Here is the famous foot-fault. In general, even obvious footfaulters get pretty worked up when called on it. Serena's fault did not look purposeful, but she must accept the linesperson's call on this.)


(US OPEN 2018 thief)


Martina is not right in coddling Serena. Their should be no qualification clauses to water down the analysis that Serena was in the wrong.

That said, had I been in CR's shoes I would not have made the game penalty call, without first quietly notifying her ethat if she did not control herself the penalty would be enforced. End of, he was too weak in the early phase of the whole thing and then he too abruptly enforced.

But this is on Serena - and no one else.
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The last video where she just randomly repeats dumb stuff about fighting for women rights is something she was told to say, a spin
She doesnt seem very smart in the parts of the press conference where she has to provide her own answers
 
terribleIVAN said:
Why doesn't a single journalist point the fact Carlos Ramos was very courteous to Williams during the change-over at 1-1 and did in fact defuse the situation ?

One can hear the exchange "I know you didn't mean it".

This fact completely destroys the MSM narrative of an intentional escalation.

It was instead Williams who after losing her break at 3-2 went completely berserk at being penalized a second time, and then chose to make a mockery of the rules and good behavior because she couldn't handle being bested.
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Their jobs are to fuel the fire for public consumption. Sadly, this time it failed because the public can see through the act. Should quit while they still have a chance. The more they talk about it, the more stupid they look.
 
Kavala said:
And yet, so many are still saying this was her coaches fault only and not hers. Fiddlesticks! She was obviously searching her box for communication, her lips were even moving in a dialogue. There is footage of this - seek it out.

There is one consistent element in Serena's blow-ups at the US Open; and that is Serena herself.
I was a fan of her's since her days as the little kid Williams sister but she needs to clean up her diva act.
Perhaps, some time should be spent talking about her obviously, purposely deceitful boast of never engaging in "coaching" and not even having a code.
She required a further penalty from CR bc she was so unrelenting in her abuse. There is no need for a single specific word. I believe that when CR explained her abuse as calling him a thief that is just obvious shorthand for communicating the problem to the senior tournament officials - who should have been watching and not needed ANY explanation anyway.

If you still want to think that Serena/ women receive unfair treatment relative to men then watch these and find me one event of a top 10 mens player matching her.


(Here she attempts to deny having threatened a tiny little lines person '....did’nt say I’ld kill you...' blah blah blah)

(Here she goes way over the line in peronalising things - 'you're a hater...'

(Here is the famous foot-fault. In general, even obvious footfaulters get pretty worked up when called on it. Serena's fault did not look purposeful, but she must accept the linesperson's call on this.)


(US OPEN 2018 thief)


Martina is not right in coddling Serena. Their should be no qualification clauses to water down the analysis that Serena was in the wrong.

That said, had I been in CR's shoes I would not have made the game penalty call, without first quietly notifying her ethat if she did not control herself the penalty would be enforced. End of, he was too weak in the early phase of the whole thing and then he too abruptly enforced.

But this is on Serena - and no one else.
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Nine years ago when she was looking for an excuse to explain how she harassed the lineswoman, her answer was to say that other players have said worse. That was her same line on Saturday, nine years later. So I guess motherhood hasn't changed her after all.

Hopefully one day when her daughter starts getting sassy with her and Serena tries to discipline her, her daughter can let her know that . . . you know . . . other kids have said much worse.
 
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I'd have defaulted her. Game, set, match, Miss Osaka. What I really wanted to see though was
Miss Osaka turn to Serena during the trophy presentation and say, slowly and firmly, "I'm only just
half your age and I'm a 1000 times more mature than you are. Grow the hell up already!" That
would've been something. Would've put the self-absorbed, lying, narcissist in her place.

But instead everyone lets the wretched one behave abominably and rallies around her. That's
America now. Anything goes. Honor is a thing of the past, a dirty word. Something wrong in
your life? It's someone else's fault! They did this to you. Obama did this to you etc etc. The
age of taking responsibility for one's own actions is over. Let the games begin..........
 
The backlash now is so universal, they had to bring in the Australian cartoon i posted above in order to manufacture some sympathy for Serena.

Putting the usual duo Max Kellerman (in the role of hypocrite, dishonest and bigoted white man) and Stephen Smith (in the role of virtuous, truthful and righteous black one) just wasn't going to be enough this time.

Race division's more than ever the only game in town.
 
I agree with the intentional escalation narrative in that Serena intentionally escalated the situation into a farce. She also saw that she cut Ramos deep by calling him a liar and calculatingly twisted the knife further for the coup de grâce at which point Ramos was so offended that he issued a penalty for verbal abuse - and rightly so.
 
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Tshooter said:
Are you kidding me ? She obviously meant it as a compliment. In context, “you’re a thief” means you’re acting cool. It’s an acknowledgment that we’re in some tough conditions but you’re handling it well, “you’re so thief” or “you’re a thief” and it’s derivations. Where is William Safire when we need him.

I have a feeling the real issue may be a simple cultural misunderstanding.

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Ooooh, I see. I guess I'm too old be to be keeping up with what the kids are saying these days. Groovy!
 
Shes been on the tour for well over 20 years, no way she didnt know the rules. She intentionally escalated the situation to change the conversation that she was getting her ass kicked to the umpire robbing her chances of winning the title. She intentionally ruined it for Osaka. That is just sickening.
 
terribleIVAN said:
Why doesn't a single journalist point the fact Carlos Ramos was very courteous to Williams during the change-over at 1-1 and did in fact defuse the situation ?

One can hear the exchange "I know you didn't mean it".

This fact completely destroys the MSM narrative of an intentional escalation.

It was instead Williams who after losing her break at 3-2 went completely berserk at being penalized a second time, and then chose to make a mockery of the rules and good behavior because she couldn't handle being bested.
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Ramos screwed up. The point of his job was to avoid what happened. He didn't get the job done. And a better umpire would have got the job done.

We don't need a "rules are rules" bot. Is he stupid? He could have handled it better, but he didn't. And, btw, I'm not a Serena fan.

Aprilone said:
Media is fueling the fires. Mary Carillo was on MSNBC this morning defending Carlos. A writer who doesn't play tennis played the gender card. But it was balanced for the most part.
In the following show the host had four feminists on defending Serena's opinion that the whole matter was a matter of gender.
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Ramos blew it, but I will defend him from sexism. He's just incompetent, not sexist.
 
Power Player said:
When in doubt, the clear answer is sexism. It can’t ever just be about the maturity level of a 35+ year old public figure and mother.
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The sexism statements from the chiefs of USTA and WTA really made me sick. Throwing Ramos under the bus when he was umpiring just the way he always umpires.

And look, one can disagree with his style of umpiring, and clearly here it clashed badly with Serena who lost her cool. But there is no evidence that he was treating Serena Williams any different he would have treated and has treated other players in the past.
 
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Another enormity not pointed out by the MSM is that there has never been in the history of the modern pro game a given warning that has been rescinded.

Serena is a veteran and she knows it damn well, yet still embarks on a tirade of ordering Ramos to take back the first warning like would a 5 year old spoiled child throwing a tantrum.

If one wanted a proof of clear and deliberate gamesmanship, what better one?
 
Steady Eddy said:
Ramos screwed up. The point of his job was to avoid what happened. He didn't get the job done. And a better umpire would have got the job done.

We don't need a "rules are rules" bot. Is he stupid? He could have handled it better, but he didn't. And, btw, I'm not a Serena fan.


Ramos blew it, but I will defend him from sexism. He's just incompetent, not sexist.
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BS.

Serena said “don’t talk to me” just before she called CR a thief. Had she left it at that and didn’t talk any further she wouldn’t have got the game penalty. CR accepted it and was no longer talking to her. Straightened his head and did not turn round any more to talk to her. Serena is the one that then crossed the line and called him a thief and stealing her point for a second time questioning his integrity - automatic verbal abuse under ITF rules. He had actually let the liar call go unpunished.

CR did nothing wrong under the rules and was lenient. This one is all on SW.
 
toby55555 said:
Please let this lead to a split and the WTA have their own GS events earning 60% of what they do on the back of the Mens game. Then we'd have much easier scheduling and wouldn't have to listen to any sexist nonsense.
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Then we wouldn't have to suffer through endless, shrieking and boring-as-hell women's matches while waiting for the men to take the court.
 
Badabing888 said:
BS.

Serena said “don’t talk to me” just before she called CR a thief. Had she left it at that and didn’t talk any further she wouldn’t have got the game penalty. CR accepted it and was no longer talking to her. Straightened his head and did not turn round any more to talk to her. Serena is the one that then crossed the line and called him a thief and stealing her point for a second time questioning his integrity - automatic verbal abuse under ITF rules. He had actually let the liar call go unpunished.

CR did nothing wrong under the rules and was lenient. This one is all on SW.
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In one sense you're right. His organization has defended him, as they should. If you go by the book, he followed it. This is like a cop who gets all kinds of complaints, but is technically, within his rights. His department is going to defend him. But privately, his captain will take him aside and tell him he's got to do better.

Why bring up this 'coaching violation' when you can pretend you don't notice? After all, this is a slam final. Then the busted racquet would be just a warning. Then the tirade wouldn't have happened. Serena would have lost anyway, and there'd be no booing at Naomi's acceptance. Better all around. If he's only a bureaucrat, then what he did is 'good enough'. But if we have high expectations, (and we should for a slam final), he's over his head.
 
terribleIVAN said:
Why doesn't a single journalist point the fact Carlos Ramos was very courteous to Williams during the change-over at 1-1 and did in fact defuse the situation ?

One can hear the exchange "I know you didn't mean it".

This fact completely destroys the MSM narrative of an intentional escalation.

It was instead Williams who after losing her break at 3-2 went completely berserk at being penalized a second time, and then chose to make a mockery of the rules and good behavior because she couldn't handle being bested.
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Hey I mentioned it in one of my posts! It seems that everyone has been so frantic about pushing their agenda that truth is not even relevant anymore. Actually, unfortunately, I suspect a lot of commentators haven't even watched the match itself, just the newsreel of the "incident".
 
veroniquem said:
Hey I mentioned it in one of my posts! It seems that everyone has been so frantic about pushing their agenda that truth is not even relevant anymore. Actually, unfortunately, I suspect a lot of commentators haven't even watched the match itself, just the newsreel of the "incident".
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You're right. Mostly this was about Serena running into a better player, and not handling that well. So Ramos job was to handle a player who is emotionally falling apart. Being strict just made her meltdown more. A more insightful umpire, would have turned a deaf ear to her tantrum, because she doesn't mean it, and Naomi and the fans, deserve to see the match played to its conclusion, without a tarnished outcome.
 
Steady Eddy said:
In one sense you're right. His organization has defended him, as they should. If you go by the book, he followed it. This is like a cop who gets all kinds of complaints, but is technically, within his rights. His department is going to defend him. But privately, his captain will take him aside and tell him he's got to do better.

Why bring up this 'coaching violation' when you can pretend you don't notice? After all, this is a slam final.
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Why would he "pretend" not to notice something he has indeed noticed?? What you suggest is completely corrupt. (If you are suggesting that he should have done so out of fear of Serena's reaction, then that's the problem. No ump should be afraid of any player)
 
Steady Eddy said:
In one sense you're right. His organization has defended him, as they should. If you go by the book, he followed it. This is like a cop who gets all kinds of complaints, but is technically, within his rights. His department is going to defend him. But privately, his captain will take him aside and tell him he's got to do better.

Why bring up this 'coaching violation' when you can pretend you don't notice? After all, this is a slam final. Then the busted racquet would be just a warning. Then the tirade wouldn't have happened. Serena would have lost anyway, and there'd be no booing at Naomi's acceptance. Better all around. If he's only a bureaucrat, then what he did is 'good enough'. But if we have high expectations, (and we should for a slam final), he's over his head.
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Are your serious?
That would be even worse. Look CR called what he saw and he was right PM was signalling to Serena - the fact PM admitted afterwards that he did completely invalidates SW’s point that she shouldn’t have been awarded a violation for being coached.

SW only wanted CR to take back the violation for coaching after she was awarded a point penalty for a smashed racquet, which he could not.
 
Steady Eddy said:
You're right. Mostly this was about Serena running into a better player, and not handling that well. So Ramos job was to handle a player who is emotionally falling apart. Being strict just made her meltdown more. A more insightful umpire, would have turned a deaf ear to her tantrum, because she doesn't mean it, and Naomi and the fans, deserve to see the match played to its conclusion, without a tarnished outcome.
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Are you joking? He couldn't possibly ignore her. She was in his face yelling accusations at him with increasing venom and she would not let go. It would have been unprofessional NOT to react. An ump is not supposed to let a player intimidate or threaten them especially if they're gonna continue over time.
 
Tshooter said:
Are you kidding me ? She obviously meant it as a compliment. In context, “you’re a thief” means you’re acting cool. It’s an acknowledgment that we’re in some tough conditions but you’re handling it well, “you’re so thief” or “you’re a thief” and it’s derivations. Where is William Safire when we need him.

I have a feeling the real issue may be a simple cultural misunderstanding.

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Wicked ! As Ron Weasley would say !!
:)

From what I see, SW attacked his character, not the other way round.
 
terribleIVAN said:
After the lost break at 3-2 and the racket abuse, Ramos understood immediately that Serena was purposely escalating the situation (which he had defused back at 1-1) and chose to engage into a premeditated rant convinced she could get away with it.

You don't need to have super perception powers to realize it: she had a long history to boot.

It was deliberate, convenient and predictable.

In that situation the only possible action is to call her bluff and apply the rules.

Refusing to do so, or pleading with her will only result in more premeditated verbal abuse rather than it's cessation.

I'm very proud of CR.
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Yes, yes, yes, i'm also very proud of Carlos Ramos. He is my favourite umpair since that.
 
veroniquem said:
Why would he "pretend" not to notice something he has indeed noticed?? What you suggest is completely corrupt. (If you are suggesting that he should have done so out of fear of Serena's reaction, then that's the problem. No ump should be afraid of any player)
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Badabing888 said:
Are your serious?
That would be even worse. Look CR called what he saw and he was right PM was signalling to Serena - the fact PM admitted afterwards that he did completely invalidates SW’s point that she shouldn’t have been awarded a violation for being coached.

SW only wanted CR to take back the violation for coaching after she was awarded a point penalty for a smashed racquet, which he could not.
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But if there has been a long established pattern of ignoring the 'no coaching rule', why enforce it all of a sudden? Much less waiting until the final to do it. Instead, at next year's open, announce that starting that year, you're going to be strict about he rule. I bet where you live everyone goes 10 mph over the speed limit on the highway. How would you like it if all of a sudden, they ticketed you for going 1 mph over the limit?

Rules are made to be broken. Sometimes it makes sense to look the other way. Most cops, teachers, and anyone in authority knows this.
 
Serena's emotion got the better of her. It did not help that a ton of celebrities were there to see her "win" and all the lead up with the commercials and hype got to her. The pressure just got to her.

I think it was best for her not to smash her racquet for second infraction, then there would not have been any issues going forward.
 
skip1969 said:
I was initially struck by how much time Ramos took to issue the violations, like he really had to think about it. I mean, it took him a while after she broke her racquet. It took him a while to issue the last one, too.
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I think once she called him a thief, that's when he had heard enough and issued the verbal abuse. Demanding an apology and pleading your case that you didn't receive coaching is one thing, but in his view, calling him a thief and saying that he stole a point was probably over the line for him. If it was me, I probably wouldn't have issued a game penalty there, but I would certainly have warned her that any more inflammatory remarks will result in that. However, Ramos was well within his rights to issue a penalty though. Some umpires just don't give much latitude out there and he's one of them. It's just like in baseball where some umpires strike zones are generous and others are not so much.
 
Wander said:
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And look, one can disagree with his style of umpiring, and clearly here it clashed badly with Serena who lost her cool. But there is no evidence that he was treating Serena Williams any different he would have treated and has treated other players in the past.
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+1
 
Steady Eddy said:
I don't know if it's racist or not.

But it's funny. :D
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It's definitely racist. A rather sickening cartoon done by a pathetic man who is clearly living in another century. For starters, Serena didn't stomp like a 2-year-old. She was adamant and took it too far, yes, but that cartoon is just pathetic. Also, Osaka never said anything during the match that I can recall. She was even sorry that it turned out that way. Plus, look at the cartoonist's depiction of her? That looks nothing like Osaka... It looks close to Maria Sharapova if anything. It's not funny. It's disgusting and demeaning, and the cartoonist deserves to be fired for that.
 
Steady Eddy said:
But if there has been a long established pattern of ignoring the 'no coaching rule', why enforce it all of a sudden? Much less waiting until the final to do it. Instead, at next year's open, announce that starting that year, you're going to be strict about he rule. I bet where you live everyone goes 10 mph over the speed limit on the highway. How would you like it if all of a sudden, they ticketed you for going 1 mph over the limit?

Rules are made to be broken. Sometimes it makes sense to look the other way. Most cops, teachers, and anyone in authority knows this.
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That’s the point there shouldn’t be a long established pattern of ignoring it and players shouldn’t then rant when they get called up breaking this rule. A player has to play according to the umpire officiating it and Carlos is known to enforce them.Bravo to him for not ignoring them just because it was a Grand Slam final and standing up to her.
 
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