Rank ATG baseliners from 3-10 places?

Are we supposed to guess which names you placed in the top spots?

Best baseliners from the 90s onwards (because I simply can't compare the earlier era to 90s and later):

Agassi, Djokovic, Nadal, Kafelnikov, Muster, Federer (not referred to as a baseliner but he's up there with the best), Murray, Wawrinka, Courier, Lendl (sort of belongs to 80s, but whatever), Kuerten, Rios, Enqvist, Moya, Ferrer, Davydenko, Nalbandian, Hewitt, Thiem, Delpo.

In no specific order.

Bruguera won FO twice but I simply can't bring myself to add his name. Had the ugliest style of playing for a slam champ, ever.

Hard to rank players because are we ranking SUCCESS or STYLE? If both, to what extent each? Do we reward consistency more than flash?
 
Are we supposed to guess which names you placed in the top spots?

Best baseliners from the 90s onwards (because I simply can't compare the earlier era to 90s and later):

Agassi, Djokovic, Nadal, Kafelnikov, Muster, Federer (not referred to as a baseliner but he's up there with the best), Murray, Wawrinka, Courier, Lendl (sort of belongs to 80s, but whatever), Kuerten, Rios, Enqvist, Moya, Ferrer, Davydenko, Nalbandian, Hewitt, Thiem, Delpo.

In no specific order.

Bruguera won FO twice but I simply can't bring myself to add his name. Had the ugliest style of playing for a slam champ, ever.

Hard to rank players because are we ranking SUCCESS or STYLE? If both, to what extent each? Do we reward consistency more than flash?
It is obvious he is ranking Nadal and Djokovic as the top 2 which makes sense. They won a combined 36 slams and counting by strictly baseline play, and virtually nothing else.
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Baseline game only (without serve):

1) Nadal
2) Borg
3) Djokovic
4) Lendl/Federer
6) Agassi
7) Wilander
8) Connors
9) Murray
10) Courier
 

Blitzball

Professional
Baseline game only (without serve):

1) Nadal
2) Borg
3) Djokovic
4) Lendl/Federer
6) Agassi
7) Wilander
8) Connors
9) Murray
10) Courier
You put Nadal above Borg, yet Djokovic edges Nadal in their head 2 head. And as we all know, their matches are heavily reliant on baseline play...
 
It is obvious he is ranking Nadal and Djokovic as the top 2 which makes sense. They won a combined 36 slams and counting by strictly baseline play, and virtually nothing else.
Yes, but eras can't be compared. I am 100% sure none of the Big 3 would have won anywhere close to 17-20 slams in earlier eras.

So to me it's not obvious who's at the top spots.
 
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Sport

G.O.A.T.
You put Nadal above Borg, yet Djokovic edges Nadal in their head 2 head. And as we all know, their matches are heavily reliant on baseline play...
Nadal leads the H2H over Djokovic in Slams. Anyway, tennis is a sport played agaisnt the whole field, not only agianst one player, so the number of Slams is a more relevant stat than the H2H and right now Nadal has more Slams than Djokovic. Plus, he said considering their baseline game exclusively and without including the serve. It is obivous that Djokovic has a much bigger serve than Nadal, which allows him an advantage in their direct matches.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
1. Nadal
2. Djokovic
3. Borg
4. Thiem
5. Federer
6. Murray
7. Agassi
8. Lendl


P. S.: I am aware that Federer is not a pure baseliner, but his baseline game is more solid than some pure baseliners like Agassi.
 

DjokoLand

Professional
OK, Djokoland. Anyone who doesn't put Nadal first and Djokovic second is trolling.
Your being sarcastic but through there career I would put Nadal slightly ahead of Djokovic. Djokovic has the better serve/return combo to make up for it. Also please tell me who is a better baseliner than Djokodal ?
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
Your being sarcastic but through there career I would put Nadal slightly ahead of Djokovic. Djokovic has the better serve/return combo to make up for it. Also please tell me who is a better baseliner than Djokodal ?
Serve is not part of the baseline game, but rather of the server game. If we consider only baseline game per se, Nadal has a slight advantage. Of course, Djokovic is a better server than Nadal.
 
You know there will be that one Sampras fan who puts him at #1
Of course, but considering Sampras was only 20-14 vs Agassi; even with all of Agassi's slump and down periods, I don't see how it is remotedly possible he is even above Agassi. When their head to head is that competitive inspite of Sampras having a light years better serve and far more of an all court game. That isn't even considering Sampras's superior movement which technically is partly part of baseline play, and superior mental strength.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
Of course, but considering Sampras was only 20-14 vs Agassi; even with all of Agassi's slump and down periods, I don't see how it is remotedly possible he is even above Agassi. When their head to head is that competitive inspite of Sampras having a light years better serve and far more of an all court game. That isn't even considering Sampras's superior movement which technically is partly part of baseline play, and superior mental strength.
Sampras had a bigger forehand and quicker movement. But Agassi was undoubtedly better from the baseline.
 

SamprasisGOAT

Professional
You know there will be that one Sampras fan who puts him at #1
Many players have better overall ground games and baseline games then Sampras and would probably win most matches overall if Sampras always stayed back and rallied with them. That’s why Sampras wasn’t a pure baseliner and stuck to his serve and volley in most big matches.
Better baseliners and overall ground games were
Lendl
Djokovic
Federer
Nadal
Borg
Agassi
Connors
Wilander
hell even safin and Hewitt and Murray and wawrinka but none had a better forehand.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
Many players have better overall ground games and baseline games then Sampras and would probably win most matches overall if Sampras always stayed back and rallied with them. That’s why Sampras wasn’t a pure baseliner and stuck to his serve and volley in most big matches.
Better baseliners and overall ground games were
Lendl
Djokovic
Federer
Nadal
Borg
Agassi
Connors
Wilander
hell even safin and Hewitt and Murray and wawrinka but none had a better forehand.
Hewitt actually benefitted from Sampras's net rushing. If Pete had played more patient, maybe he would've fared a little better.
 
100%. That's why Hewitt did much better against young hyperagggressive Fedr, but got whipped post-2002 because he couldn't match Fedr from the baseline.
Federer stopped coming in against Hewitt since he realized after the reviewing their excellent 2002 WTF match, that was really the only way Hewitt is able to beat Federer. Maybe he can make it close in a baseline duel but that is the best Hewitt can do without Federer coming in and giving him a target often.
 
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