Rank the 3 slam seasons by the big three

NoleFam said:
Federer was better in Wimbledon and USO for sure. AO? Not so sure and I don't remember that tournament that well.
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Federer was excellent in AO 2004 and Djokovic being shaky in some matches in AO 2021 brings him down.
 
NoleFam said:
No man. A lot of the time I think I watch a different sport when I read some of the comments. I can't see how anyone thinks the level of tennis was mediocre this year. Federer at 2006 AO is what I consider mediocre when he was was struggling with the draw he had and the players he was facing. Djokovic is facing top level competition in every Slam against guys 10 years younger than him, nothing like other years on the list.

Zverev brought it against him both times in Slams this year, he took down the clay god in a well played performance after getting destroyed by him 8 months prior, and took down an inspired Tsistsipas who was playing very well on his best surface. The only Slam that can qualify as below par is Wimbledon but I still wouldn't call it mediocre with the two best players on grass this year in the final.
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None of those guys actually played that well throughout the whole match. They had patches of play in which they were good (first 2 sets for Tsitsipas, first set of USO SF for Zverev) but it was only ever that close because Djokovic played below par to let them go that far. And when they did have opportunities, well, they sure did a poor job at taking them. Zverev in the AO match put up probably the most disgusting choking display I’ve seen since Med’s disasterclass vs Nadal at the WTF. Nadal played the best of them all but he was gassed by the fourth set (something people routinely put down 2005 Agassi for doing in the US Open final) and overall played well below his usual RG level anyway. What’s impressive is that Djokovic wasn’t gassed either. It’s top-level competition for the era, but the next gens just aren’t super good at Slam-level (with the notable exception of Medvedev this year; hopefully, that trend will continue) and I think they’re all opponents Fed would have put away in 4 sets tops. Maybe if we pick the worst versions of Fed in this list, it could go five. Only one I see Fed straight-up losing would be if he showed up in his RG 2004 form against Tsitsipas, and even then there’s still a possibility Tsitsipas would choke the lead and let him back into the match.

Fed at the 2006 AO was pretty sloppy a lot of the time (he was still recovering from the ankle injury he had in late 2005), I won’t deny that. However, it does confuse me a little when you call that mediocre but not Novak’s Slam wins this year. At worst, they’re about the same. At least you agree Wimbledon was.

Not gonna say any more about the subject.
 
Third Serve said:
None of those guys actually played that well throughout the whole match. They had patches of play in which they were good (first 2 sets for Tsitsipas, first set of USO SF for Zverev) but it was only ever that close because Djokovic played below par to let them go that far. And when they did have opportunities, well, they sure did a poor job at taking them. Zverev in the AO match put up probably the most disgusting choking display I’ve seen since Med’s disasterclass vs Nadal at the WTF. Nadal played the best of them all but he was gassed by the fourth set (something people routinely put down 2005 Agassi for doing in the US Open final) and overall played well below his usual RG level anyway. What’s impressive is that Djokovic wasn’t gassed either. It’s top-level competition for the era, but the next gens just aren’t super good at Slam-level (with the notable exception of Medvedev this year; hopefully, that trend will continue) and I think they’re all opponents Fed would have put away in 4 sets tops. Maybe if we pick the worst versions of Fed in this list, it could go five. Only one I see Fed straight-up losing would be if he showed up in his RG 2004 form against Tsitsipas, and even then there’s still a possibility Tsitsipas would choke the lead and let him back into the match.

Fed at the 2006 AO was pretty sloppy a lot of the time (he was still recovering from the ankle injury he had in late 2005), I won’t deny that. However, it does confuse me a little when you call that mediocre but not Novak’s Slam wins this year. At worst, they’re about the same. At least you agree Wimbledon was.

Not gonna say any more about the subject.
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Djokovic definitely did not play below par in the 1st set of the RG final. He played well but Tsitsipas was a tad bit better and edged him, and won it. It was the second set where Djokovic played below par. It should be no surprise that Djokovic was able to turn around that match considering the display he put on in the SF and chances are if played close to that level, he was going to win the match which he ended up doing.

What I'm reading a lot on here is these players are chokers, not that good, the competition is weak, etc. which is why Djokovic is winning, without giving much credit to him raising his level at the right moments or don't give credit at all. That's why I have a problem with a lot of what I read around here lately. If Federer and Nadal had this competition at 34 years old, would they have been one match away from a CYGS? I doubt it.
 
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NoleFam said:
What I'm reading a lot on here is these players are chokers, not that good, the competition in weak, etc. which is why Djokovic is winning, without giving much credit to him raising his level at the right moments or don't give credit at all. That's why I have a problem with a lot of what I read around here lately. If Federer and Nadal had this competition at 34 years old, would they have been one match away from a CYGS? I doubt it.
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They wouldn’t. that’s why Djokovic’s achievements are impressive as a 34-year-old.

But let’s not compare them to those of the peak Big 3.
 
Third Serve said:
They wouldn’t. that’s why Djokovic’s achievements are impressive as a 34-year-old.

But let’s not compare them to those of the peak Big 3.
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But Djokovic is only one who did a 3 Slam season not at his peak. Lol. You pretty much just summed up his greatness.

I just disagree with you and lot of other posters on here about 2021 but I'll leave it as that.
 
NoleFam said:
Djokovic definitely did not play below par in the 1st set of the RG final. He played well but Tsitsipas was a tad bit better and edged him, and won it. It was the second set where Djokovic played below par. It should be no surprise that Djokovic was able to turn around that match considering the display he put on in the SF and chances are if played close to that level, he was going to win the match which he ended up doing.

What I'm reading a lot on here is these players are chokers, not that good, the competition in weak, etc. which is why Djokovic is winning, without giving much credit to him raising his level at the right moments or don't give credit at all. That's why I have a problem with a lot of what I read around here lately. If Federer and Nadal had this competition at 34 years old, would they have been one match away from a CYGS? I doubt it.
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He had a SP in the TB, which Tsitsipas saved like a boss.
 
PilotPete said:
That’s not fair. It’s ridiculous and you must realize it. In any case 2 sets to 0 is not the match
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it's only ridiculous bc you don't see the point i'm making

Great players respond to pressure situations.

I'm not going to penalize the guy for going down MPs to an amazing player like Federer when his response is to hit that FH return and then win 4 straight games. It's not like Federer started hitting double faults and tanking after having MP.

I'm also not penalizing Fed for nearly going down 0-2 to a (clearly inferior) player in Baghdatis bc he raised his level exquisitely when necessary.
 
Kralingen said:
it's only ridiculous bc you don't see the point i'm making

Great players respond to pressure situations.

I'm not going to penalize the guy for going down MPs to an amazing player like Federer when his response is to hit that FH return and then win 4 straight games. It's not like Federer started hitting double faults and tanking after having MP.

I'm also not penalizing Fed for nearly going down 0-2 to a (clearly inferior) player in Baghdatis bc he raised his level exquisitely when necessary.
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Give me a break. That was not a great player responding in 2011. That was a pure and simple choke. Immediately following the first match point he hit an easy sitter into the net. Choking at its finest. Even Fed knew it
 
mike danny said:
Fed was better at AO by default in 2004 due to Djoko's injury.
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It can't be by default though considering how Djokovic played in the SF and final. I could see the argument though that Federer was better throughout the tournament compared to Djokovic, but like I said I don't remember much about 2004 AO.
 
NoleFam said:
No man. A lot of the time I think I watch a different sport when I read some of the comments. I can't see how anyone thinks the level of tennis was mediocre this year. Federer at 2006 AO is what I consider mediocre when he was was struggling with the draw he had and the players he was facing. Djokovic is facing top level competition in every Slam against guys 10 years younger than him, nothing like other years on the list.

Zverev brought it against him both times in Slams this year, he took down the clay god in a well played performance after getting destroyed by him 8 months prior, and took down an inspired Tsistsipas who was playing very well on his best surface. The only Slam that can qualify as below par is Wimbledon but I still wouldn't call it mediocre with the two best players on grass this year in the final.
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2006 AO Fed still wins the 2021 edition even if he was mediocre for his standards, so don't thin k it matters that he wasn't great.
 
NoleFam said:
It can't be by default though considering how Djokovic played in the SF and final. I could see the argument though that Federer was better throughout the tournament compared to Djokovic, but like I said I don't remember much about 2004 AO.
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Federer also was great from 4R until the end.

And Med this year really wasn't any better than gassed Safin. And Fed also destroyed Ferrero.
 
NoleFam said:
If Federer and Nadal had this competition at 34 years old, would they have been one match away from a CYGS? I doubt it.
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Obviously they wouldn't. But 2015 Fed still comfortably wins Wimb and USO, the latter probably without dropping a set.

Sorry, I don't rate the Next Gen highly. They're worse than their predecessors, IMO.
 
PilotPete said:
Give me a break. That was not a great player responding in 2011. That was a pure and simple choke. Even Fed knew it
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Not a surprising pov, given that your entire post history on this website is basically the equivalent of taking intermittent puffs of Marlboros with which to blow smoke up Fed's ass.

of course you're going to see it that way

Did Fed proved a lot about the H2H with his matches against peak '11-12 Djokovic? yes
Did Djokovic also prove his mental strength by winning the match, proving 2011 is still one of the all time great seasons (along with 2006, 2004, etc.)? also yes

Fed could have missed his serve in the FO match and it could have gone the other way. It just happens like that sometimes. I never see anyone saying Safin's '05 AO win deserves an asterisk because 'Federer choked' on his MP. Great players save MPs and respond to pressure.
 
mike danny said:
2006 AO Fed still wins the 2021 edition even if he was mediocre for his standards, so don't thin k it matters that he wasn't great.
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Does he? I think Zverev played better than anybody he played at 2006 AO. Medvedev played well that tournament too until he ran into a Djokovic that was pretty much flawless.
 
mike danny said:
Obviously they wouldn't. But 2015 Fed still comfortably wins Wimb and USO, the latter probably without dropping a set.

Sorry, I don't rate the Next Gen highly. They're worse than their predecessors, IMO.
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2015 Federer would win both but he's not winning that USO without dropping a set. He's losing sets to Zverev and Medvedev, and maybe even Nishikori.
 
NoleFam said:
Does he? I think Zverev played better than anybody he played at 2006 AO. Medvedev played well that tournament too until he ran into a Djokovic that was pretty much flawless.
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Nah, Davydenko played a solid match himself, no way was Zverev better. Haas too played well.

Federer is such a poor match-up for Medvedev that there's no way he wins that match.

Federer wasn't great in that AO, but his level was still good enough to beat the Next Gen, just not good enough against ATGs (y)
 
mike danny said:
Nah, Davydenko played a solid match himself, no way was Zverev better. Haas too played well.

Federer is such a poor match-up for Medvedev that there's no way he wins that match.

Federer wasn't great in that AO, but his level was still good enough to beat the Next Gen, just not good enough against ATGs (y)
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No way Zverev was better? I remember Davydenko being erratic and Federer himself of course erratic after the 1st set which is why he struggled in the match. I definitely think Zverev was better.

Federer never played the Medvedev after he became a top 5 player and definitely not the one playing at 2021 level.
 
NoleFam said:
No way Zverev was better? I remember Davydenko being erratic and Federer himself of course erratic after the 1st set which is why he struggled in the match. I definitely think Zverev was better.

Federer never played the Medvedev after he became a top 5 player and definitely not the one playing at 2021 level.
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Federer in AO 2006 had high gears when he needed them when he raised them he should be favoured over Medvedev at the least.
 
ElisRF said:
Federer in AO 2006 had high gears when he needed them when he raised them he should be favoured over Medvedev at the least.
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Fair enough because at the end of the day Federer is a better player but I just was not impressed with his level throughout 2006 AO, at all.
 
NoleFam said:
Fair enough because at the end of the day Federer is a better player but I just was not impressed with his level throughout 2006 AO, at all.
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I think people underrate it but I would agree it was a lower level compared to quite a few other runs.
 
Kralingen said:
Not a surprising pov, given that your entire post history on this website is basically the equivalent of taking intermittent puffs of Marlboros with which to blow smoke up Fed's ass.

of course you're going to see it that way

Did Fed proved a lot about the H2H with his matches against peak '11-12 Djokovic? yes
Did Djokovic also prove his mental strength by winning the match, proving 2011 is still one of the all time great seasons (along with 2006, 2004, etc.)? also yes

Fed could have missed his serve in the FO match and it could have gone the other way. It just happens like that sometimes. I never see anyone saying Safin's '05 AO win deserves an asterisk because 'Federer choked' on his MP. Great players save MPs and respond to pressure.
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Doesn’t mean I’m wrong. Puff puff
 
Some hilarious stuff from @NoleFam
2006 AO fed was clearly better than 2021 AO Djoko. To compare with AO 2004 Fed is beyond laughable.

Davy in AO 2006 was clearly better than Z in AO 2021 in the respective matches.
Even Haas was better.


Also LMAO @ 2021 being above 2010 in any respect and even LMAO at it being above 2004 just because of loss to 3 time champ Kuerten rolling back his years.
LOL, Djoko was down 2 sets to love vs frickin Mussetti in 4R of this year's FO. what do you think Kuerten would've done to him?

Oh and 2004 Fed would wipe the floor with 2021 Djoko at any of the other slams - AO, Wim and USO
 
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NoleFam said:
Djokovic definitely did not play below par in the 1st set of the RG final. He played well but Tsitsipas was a tad bit better and edged him, and won it. It was the second set where Djokovic played below par. It should be no surprise that Djokovic was able to turn around that match considering the display he put on in the SF and chances are if played close to that level, he was going to win the match which he ended up doing.

What I'm reading a lot on here is these players are chokers, not that good, the competition is weak, etc. which is why Djokovic is winning, without giving much credit to him raising his level at the right moments or don't give credit at all. That's why I have a problem with a lot of what I read around here lately. If Federer and Nadal had this competition at 34 years old, would they have been one match away from a CYGS? I doubt it.
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I would bet my life that the summer 2015 (34 YO) version of Federer would beat the living **** out of Tsitsipas and Medvedev. Fed clowned Medvedev and Tsitsipas when he was like 38.
 
NoleFam said:
If Federer and Nadal had this competition at 34 years old, would they have been one match away from a CYGS? I doubt it.
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Lets actually put this to some sort of test, shall we?

2015 fed would win Wim/USO in 21 for sure. If he faces an incompetent/choking Fritz in 3R instead of a solid Seppi, he gets away with a below par 3R match like Djoko did. Then there's decent enough chance he'd win AO. So decent enough chance he'd win 3 of the 4 slams like Djoko. Wouldn't be 1 match away from a CYGS though.

For Nadal, since 2020 was truncated season, lets take 2019 (yeah I know, 1 year lesser, but bear with me temporarily)

2019 AO nadal vs 2021 AO med - both sucked in the final. could go either way. slight edge to Nadal I guess
2019 RG nadal takes 2021 RG
2019 Wim Nadal beats Shapo/berr
2019 USO nadal is up vs Med - could go either way. slight edge to med I guess.

lets say nadal wins 1 of the 2 vs med, he ends up with 3 slams as well.
 
Fed's 2/3 years were against the big 3 (Baghdatis, Ljubucek, Srichaphan)....Djokovic 2/3 years were against the big 3 (Federer, Nadal, Murray)
 
Ray Mercer said:
I would bet my life that the summer 2015 (34 YO) version of Federer would beat the living **** out of Tsitsipas and Medvedev. Fed clowned Medvedev and Tsitsipas when he was like 38.
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How did Federer clown Tsitsipas at 37 when he lost to him at the AO?
 
NoleFam said:
How did Federer clown Tsitsipas at 37 when he lost to him at the AO?
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Tsitsipas scraped by Federer in that match and got spanked a month later in Dubai. Federer clowned Medvedev in Miami with variety. If these guys were all time great legends they would be burying an ancient Federer.
 
abmk said:
Lets actually put this to some sort of test, shall we?

2015 fed would win Wim/USO in 21 for sure. If he faces an incompetent/choking Fritz in 3R instead of a solid Seppi, he gets away with a below par 3R match like Djoko did. Then there's decent enough chance he'd win AO. So decent enough chance he'd win 3 of the 4 slams like Djoko. Wouldn't be 1 match away from a CYGS though.

For Nadal, since 2020 was truncated season, lets take 2019 (yeah I know, 1 year lesser, but bear with me temporarily)

2019 AO nadal vs 2021 AO med - both sucked in the final. could go either way. slight edge to Nadal I guess
2019 RG nadal takes 2021 RG
2019 Wim Nadal beats Shapo/berr
2019 USO nadal is up vs Med - could go either way. slight edge to med I guess.

lets say nadal wins 1 of the 2 vs med, he ends up with 3 slams as well.
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Federer couldn't even beat Seppi in 2015 AO yet he's supposed to beat Raonic, Zverev, Karatsev and Medevedev in succession? Good luck with that.

Nadal has to get to the final 1st. That draw is not a cakewalk like he had in 2019.
 
Ray Mercer said:
Tsitsipas scraped by Federer in that match and got spanked a month later in Dubai. Federer clowned Medvedev in Miami with variety. If these guys were all time great legends they would be burying an ancient Federer.
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But Tsitsipas won the more important match. That's not the definition of clowning. Beating somebody in a 500 doesn't outweigh losing to them in a Slam. Federer played Medvedev in Miami when he was ranked #15 and not even a top 10 player yet. I guarantee you, 38 year old Federer isn't clowning the Medvedev that's playing on tour right now.
 
NoleFam said:
But Tsitsipas won the more important match. That's not the definition of clowning. Beating somebody in a 500 doesn't outweigh losing to them in a Slam. Federer played Medvedev in Miami when he was ranked #15 and not even a top 10 player yet. I guarantee you, 38 year old Federer isn't clowning the Medvedev that's playing on tour right now.
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Doesn't matter, if these guys were real legends they wouldn't be dropping matches to a 37-38 year old Federer. Do you think an 2004-2007 Federer drops a match to Agassi if Agassi was still playing in 2008? Not a chance pal. Federer had 3 majors by the time he was Tsitsipas' current age and you want to put him in Federer's tier? Come on man, you're better than that.
 
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