Rank the 3 slam seasons by the big three

Lozo1016 said:
I'm a little surprised everyone's ranking 2010 so low since it was the first male "surface slam" with Nadal winning Grand Slam titles on hardcourt, grass, and clay.
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Come on now lol, did you forget about the mission? 8-B

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Ray Mercer said:
Doesn't matter, if these guys were real legends they wouldn't be dropping matches to a 37-38 year old Federer. Do you think an 2004-2007 Federer drops a match to Agassi if Agassi was still playing in 2008? Not a chance pal. Federer had 3 majors by the time he was Tsitsipas' current age and you want to put him in Federer's tier? Come on man, you're better than that.
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Who on here said Tsistipas and Medvedev were legends, or put Tsistipas on the tier with Federer? You've gone off the deep end.
 
NoleFam said:
Who on here said Tsistipas and Medvedev were legends, or put Tsistipas on the tier with Federer? You've gone off the deep end.
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You've been hyping up Djokovic's competition to make his seasons seem better than Federer's. Tsitsipas hasn't accomplished jack **** to warrant that kind of hype.
 
Ray Mercer said:
You've been hyping up Djokovic's competition to make his seasons seem better than Federer's. Tsitsipas hasn't accomplished jack **** to warrant that kind of hype.
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If Djokovic needs an argument for the competition in his seasons being better than Federer's, 2021 would not be on top of his list. He has better options. Lol.
 
NoleFam said:
But Tsitsipas won the more important match. That's not the definition of clowning. Beating somebody in a 500 doesn't outweigh losing to them in a Slam. Federer played Medvedev in Miami when he was ranked #15 and not even a top 10 player yet. I guarantee you, 38 year old Federer isn't clowning the Medvedev that's playing on tour right now.
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Titis also whipped high level Fed at the WTF same year...in straight sets.
 
NoleFam said:
Federer couldn't even beat Seppi in 2015 AO yet he's supposed to beat Raonic, Zverev, Karatsev and Medevedev in succession? Good luck with that.

Nadal has to get to the final 1st. That draw is not a cakewalk like he had in 2019.
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I think Fed's form could improve afterwards as Seppi was just inspired enough to take him out.
He made SF in almost any year there, even in 2020 when he was playing like ass.

Zverev would be challenging, but I doubt Karatsev or Raonic are a threat. Med would be the favourite though if they play in the final.
 
InsideOut900 said:
I think Fed's form could improve afterwards as Seppi was just inspired enough to take him out.
He made SF in almost any year there, even in 2020 when he was playing like ass.

Zverev would be challenging, but I doubt Karatsev or Raonic are a threat. Med would be the favourite though if they play in the final.
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Agree with this (i rewatched a 45-min highlight reel of this match in august)

Seppi was hitting some dastardly good passing shots and playing with real intelligence and verve. Fed also was a bit of a breakpointerer specialist in that match, Seppi showed mental strength on numerous occasions that I'm certain Fritz doesn't have and maybe Zverev or Karatsev don't have.

The other part of this which is looming large is that Fed wasn't really in shape: he had the bizarre winter training routine with the exhos in India and the day was scorching hot, both guys were sweating buckets. This just compounded Fed's issues because after going down a set, he kept approaching the net which played directly into Seppi's hands.

I think it's quite rich to give Federer the '21 AO though. I really don't know if he beats Zverev, even if you do chalk up the Seppi match as just an unlucky day at the office. He was not looking strong from the baseline at all. He then turned it around in Dubai but never seemed ready for the AO imo.
 
NoleFam said:
Federer couldn't even beat Seppi in 2015 AO yet he's supposed to beat Raonic, Zverev, Karatsev and Medevedev in succession? Good luck with that.

Nadal has to get to the final 1st. That draw is not a cakewalk like he had in 2019.
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1. Yes, because it was one-off day. On either side, Fed had won Brisbane (before AO) and won Dubai, made final of IW (after AO). So form in general was good.
Djoko went 5 vs Fritz and yet he's supposed to beat Raonic, Zverev Karatsev and Med?
None of them played well enough vs Djoko to beat a Federer playing remotely well (as per 2015 form)
Federer went 5 vs Benn with back issues (2 points away from losing) and beat Djoko/Murray in Wim 12 in 4 sets each.

2. Nadal will get to the final just fine. Except Med before the final, none were playing good enough to beat him. Remember he thrashed Tpas in the AO 19 semi?
 
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2010 way out on top as to win the Big 3 majors on 3 surfaces in space of 4 months is beyond epic.
2021 probably bottom as too many players missing (nadal federer wawrinka murray delpo thiem)
2006 probably the most dominant season ever but i think this thread just about the slams so 2010 takes the marbles.
 
NoleFam said:
No man. A lot of the time I think I watch a different sport when I read some of the comments. I can't see how anyone thinks the level of tennis was mediocre this year. Federer at 2006 AO is what I consider mediocre when he was was struggling with the draw he had and the players he was facing. Djokovic is facing top level competition in every Slam against guys 10 years younger than him, nothing like other years on the list.

Zverev brought it against him both times in Slams this year, he took down the clay god in a well played performance after getting destroyed by him 8 months prior, and took down an inspired Tsistsipas who was playing very well on his best surface. The only Slam that can qualify as below par is Wimbledon but I still wouldn't call it mediocre with the two best players on grass this year in the final.
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No nadal no federer no murray no wawrinka no thiem no delpo.
Thats 48 grand slams won missing for alnost the whole year.
 
abmk said:
1. Yes, because it was one-off day. On either side, Fed had won Brisbane (before AO) and won Dubai, made final of IW (after AO). So form in general was good.
Djoko went 5 vs Fritz and yet he's supposed to beat Raonic, Zverev Karatsev and Med?
None of them played well enough vs Djoko to beat a Federer playing remotely well (as per 2015 form)
Federer went 5 vs Benn with back issues (2 points away from losing) and beat Djoko/Murray in Wim 12 in 4 sets each.

2. Nadal will get to the final just fine. Except Med before the final, none were playing good enough to beat him. Remember he thrashed Tpas in the AO 19 semi?
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Djokovic fans have gone on and on for years abot Federer so called weak era.
Karma has a funny way of striking as 2021 has seen no nadal federer wawrinka murray delpo or thiem virtually all season. 48 Majors out of the equation.
Surely the year will be remembered as the year the golden CYGS was thrown away. Yesterday ans saturday (medvedev v zverev) surely confirmed that . Questionable if either win a slam in the future.
 
NoleFam said:
No way Zverev was better? I remember Davydenko being erratic and Federer himself of course erratic after the 1st set which is why he struggled in the match. I definitely think Zverev was better.

Federer never played the Medvedev after he became a top 5 player and definitely not the one playing at 2021 level.
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Wasn't Djokovic erratic too in getting broken in 3 of the 4 sets against Zverev? And how was Zverev easily better when he couldn't hold on to a single break? Don't think the Djokovic of the Zverev match was better than the Fed of the Davydenko match. Especially since Davy pushed Fed harder than Z pushed Novak.

Med playing at 2021 level got clowned by a mid 30's Novak. I think I like Fed's chances (y)
 
mike danny said:
Wasn't Djokovic erratic too in getting broken in 3 of the 4 sets against Zverev? And how was Zverev easily better when he couldn't hold on to a single break? Don't think the Djokovic of the Zverev match was better than the Fed of the Davydenko match. Especially since Davy pushed Fed harder than Z pushed Novak.

Med playing at 2021 level got clowned by a mid 30's Novak. I think I like Fed's chances (y)
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Yea Djokovic was too erratic at times but not quite as much as Federer, who played slightly less points. Zverev was broken 6 times. Federer was broken 5 times. Does that also mean Federer couldn't hold onto a single break? Zverev made a lot more winners than Davydenko and a lot less errors, and in fact played a cleaner match than Djokovic himself. Slightly less winners but much less errors than Djokovic. That's why he was better and his serve was monstrous, averaging 129 on the 1st and 107 on the 2nd.

Well at the end of the day, Federer in Australia is not Djokovic.
 
NoleFam said:
Yea Djokovic was too erratic at times but not quite as much as Federer, who played slightly less points. Zverev was broken 6 times. Federer was broken 5 times. Does that also mean Federer couldn't hold onto a single break? Zverev made a lot more winners than Davydenko and a lot less errors, and in fact played a cleaner match than Djokovic himself. Slightly less winners but much less errors than Djokovic. That's why he was better and his serve was monstrous, averaging 129 on the 1st and 107 on the 2nd.

Well at the end of the day, Federer in Australia is not Djokovic.
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The court in 2006 was clearly slower and Davydenko is also a better returner than Zverev to boot so you're putting a bit too much stock in those stats. The intensity and level of ballstriking in 2006 was flat out higher IMO. Obviously Davydenko's serve is nothing like Zverev though lol. I think Zverev could have been very formidable but he gave up the goose over and over on serve, I think three UE's while serving for the first set?
 
NoleFam said:
Yea Djokovic was too erratic at times but not quite as much as Federer, who played slightly less points. Zverev was broken 6 times. Federer was broken 5 times. Does that also mean Federer couldn't hold onto a single break? Zverev made a lot more winners than Davydenko and a lot less errors, and in fact played a cleaner match than Djokovic himself. Slightly less winners but much less errors than Djokovic. That's why he was better and his serve was monstrous, averaging 129 on the 1st and 107 on the 2nd.

Well at the end of the day, Federer in Australia is not Djokovic.
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How would you rate Djokovic of the AO 2021 final out of 10?
 
NatF said:
The court in 2006 was clearly slower and Davydenko is also a better returner than Zverev to boot so you're putting a bit too much stock in those stats. The intensity and level of ballstriking in 2006 was flat out higher IMO. Obviously Davydenko's serve is nothing like Zverev though lol. I think Zverev could have been very formidable but he gave up the goose over and over on serve, I think three UE's while serving for the first set?
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Even on that rebound ace court, Zverev presents a different challenge because of his monstrous serving and he can be just as punishing off the ground as Davydenko. None of them are as good as Djokovic at returning on hardcourt so that's adds a whole different dimension.
 
NoleFam said:
Even on that rebound ace court, Zverev presents a different challenge because of his monstrous serving and he can be just as punishing off the ground as Davydenko. None of them are as good as Djokovic at returning on hardcourt so that's adds a whole different dimension.
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I think Davydenko is clearly better off the ground tbh. Serving wise yes Zverev is better there by far but it loses its worth when he chucks in such poor games in big moments. Obviously Davydenko is no locked box in pressure moments either but I don't think he gave up leads so readily in 2006 as Zverev did this year?
 
NatF said:
I think Davydenko is clearly better off the ground tbh. Serving wise yes Zverev is better there by far but it loses its worth when he chucks in such poor games in big moments. Obviously Davydenko is no locked box in pressure moments either but I don't think he gave up leads so readily in 2006 as Zverev did this year?
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The error here is that Federer and Djokovic are
equals in Australia. They aren't. I don't mean this to be demeaning to Federer or that he's not extraordinary and a legend. He is. However, Djokovic is just the best player to ever exist at the AO. His mentality and problem solving skills on that court is just better than everybody else when the chips are down. He hasn't won 16 matches in a row against the top 5 for nothing. So Zverev was just facing a tougher challenge than Davydenko was.
 
RS said:
Would you give any slam Djokovic matches a standard to strong 10/10? Doesn't have to be a slam final.
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2016 AO is a 10 in the 1st two sets. Highest level he ever played on hardcourt. 2019 AO final around a 9.5.
 
NoleFam said:
2016 AO is a 10 in the 1st two sets. Highest level he ever played on hardcourt. 2019 AO final around a 9.5.
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Do you think the last 2 sets bring it below a 10 or does it still stay as a 10 considering them?
 
NoleFam said:
The error here is that Federer and Djokovic are
equals in Australia. They aren't. I don't mean this to be demeaning to Federer or that he's not extraordinary and a legend. He is. However, Djokovic is just the best player to ever exist at the AO. His mentality and problem solving skills on that court is just better than everybody else when the chips are down. He hasn't won 16 matches in a row against the top 5 for nothing. So Zverev is just facing a tougher challenge than Davydenko was.
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The actual error here is thinking that 2021 Djokovic who is far removed from his best and carrying an injury is better than even a sloppy 2006 Federer.

I don't call Zverev hitting UE's on big points Djokovic problem solving btw. Djokovic is indeed the greatest at the AO but form is not static otherwise we'd be heralding the greatness of Chung and Istomin...
 
NatF said:
Cilic was injured and garbage man.
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True but a mythical 10/10 for me is when you manage to make a highish level opponent look amateurish. Cilic did suck though lol. Maybe let’s omit him.

Ferrer ‘13 is imo the best AO match Novak ever played, though he obviously has more famous ones vs better players. Same with the idea that the Ancic ‘06 match from Fed is the best or ‘08 Almagro the best from Nadal.
 
RS said:
Do you think the last 2 sets bring it below a 10 or does it still stay as a 10 considering them?
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His level dropped in the 3rd. Not by much may I add but he cooled off just a smidge. That set was decided on a couple of points. He still played a high level in set 3 and 4 but not a 10.
 
NoleFam said:
His level dropped in the 3rd. Not by much may I add but he cooled off just a smidge. That set was decided on a couple of points. He still played a high level in set 3 and 4 but not a 10.
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Agree. I was just wondering if that meant you bring it down to a 9.5/10 or something around that overall but you highlighted the first 2 sets mostly as that and not the whole match.
 
Kralingen said:
True but a mythical 10/10 for me is when you manage to make a highish level opponent look amateurish. Cilic did suck though lol. Maybe let’s omit him.

Ferrer ‘13 is imo the best AO match Novak ever played, though he obviously has more famous ones vs better players. Same with the idea that the Ancic ‘06 match from Fed is the best or ‘08 Almagro the best from Nadal.
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Ferrer match from him was silly good.
 
NatF said:
The actual error here is thinking that 2021 Djokovic who is far removed from his best and carrying an injury is better than even a sloppy 2006 Federer.

I don't call Zverev hitting UE's on big points Djokovic problem solving btw. Djokovic is indeed the greatest at the AO but form is not static otherwise we'd be heralding the greatness of Chung and Istomin...
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Put 2006 Federer against the 2021 Djokovic from SF and final and I would bet you 10 times over Djokovic wins.

The Chung match is quite irrelevant being that he was injured and had been missing from the tour for over 6 months. The Istomin one is the only relevant one there, being that he won Doha, and even then we know he was clearly off and he still barely lost. So counting 2014, that's two important losses at AO in 11 years?
 
RS said:
Agree. I was just wondering if that meant you bring it down to a 9.5/10 or something around that overall but you highlighted the first 2 sets mostly as that and not the whole match.
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Probably a 9.7 overall.
 
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NatF said:
Ferrer match from him was silly good.
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I mean it comes down to what you value most right? a mythical 10/10 is a performance with no flaws or hiccups, which for goat level players like this, results in losing like 8 games total. Safin and Murray and Wawrinka and Verdasco don’t allow you to play 10/10… they tire you out and ask too many questions. So 9/10 vs a top level opponent is obviously a greater achievement than a dominant win vs. a mug, but a true 10/10 has to be near perfection from start to finish.

AO ‘07 vs Roddick and perhaps the USO ‘04 final are probably also 10/10 matches. FO ‘17 final and FO ‘12 SF from Nadal as well.
 
NoleFam said:
Put 2006 Federer against the 2021 Djokovic from SF and final and I would bet you 10 times over Djokovic wins.

The Chung match is quite irrelevant being that he was injured and had been missing from the tour for over 6 months. The Istomin one is the only relevant one there, being that he won Doha, and even then we know he was clearly off and he still barely lost. So counting 2014, that's two important losses at AO in 11 years?
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Lol man I wish #NextGen was competent enough to show just how far Djokovic has fallen off.

Like I said Djokovic is the GOAT of the AO, but even in his wins his form isn't static. I would expect 2014 Wawrinka to clearly beat 2021 Djokovic. Likewise some of his defeated previous opponents as well.
 
RS said:
No mention for the much talked about USO 11 SF?
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Djokovic played a good match but we're talking about masterclasses here. He was a point away from losing and I doubt USO 2012 QF or 2015 SF Djokovic manages to fall to that position.

2011 was still the better overall US Open tournament for him because both of the 2012 and 2015 finals were significant drop-offs in level from the previous rounds. And the rest of the 2015 tournament wasn't as impressive anyway.

2012 could have been the best if not for the wind, though.
 
Third Serve said:
Djokovic played a good match but we're talking about masterclasses here. He was a point away from losing and I doubt USO 2012 QF or 2015 SF Djokovic manages to fall to that position.

2011 was still the better overall US Open tournament for him because both of the 2012 and 2015 finals were significant drop-offs in level from the previous rounds. And the rest of the 2015 tournament wasn't as impressive anyway.

2012 could have been the best if not for the wind, though.
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:unsure: Do you think that Djokovic closes out that Federer in 4 sets then?
 
NatF said:
Lol man I wish #NextGen was competent enough to show just how far Djokovic has fallen off.

Like I said Djokovic is the GOAT of the AO, but even in his wins his form isn't static. I would expect 2014 Wawrinka to clearly beat 2021 Djokovic. Likewise some of his defeated previous opponents as well.
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You guy just are caught up in 2004-2007 and think it's the gold standard and nobody can touch it. Well...I got somebody who can handle him. Lol. :sneaky: Seriously, 2006 Federer wasn't great and I would bet on 2021 Djokovic playing well beating him. I wouldn't say the same for 2007 Federer.

Most likely so especially if it's the Djokovic from 1st round through QF. Still, I'm just showing how tough Djokovic was to beat there from 2011 to 2021, omitting 2018 of course.
 
I heard a debate than AO 2006 Federer was equal or a bit better than AO 2009 Nadal and AO 2009 Federer/AO 2010 Federer now some people think Federer was medicore here?
 
NoleFam said:
You guy just are caught up in 2004-2007 and think it's the gold standard and nobody can touch it. Well...I got somebody who can handle him. Lol. :sneaky: Seriously, 2006 Federer wasn't great and I would bet on 2021 Djokovic playing well beating him. I wouldn't say the same for 2007 Federer.

Most likely so especially if it's the Djokovic from 1st round through QF. Still, I'm just showing how tough Djokovic was to beat there from 2011 to 2021, omitting 2018 of course.
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For four years? Absolutely it was the gold standard ;) IMO the gap in athleticism between Fed in 2006 and 2021 Djokovic is pretty massive, over five sets you're way overstating Djokovic's case but whatever. Guess you don't put much stock in the injury reports then lol. Fed was erratic but he had sets where he was absolutely ridiculous as well. I don't think Djokovic in 2021 is good enough to stay with Fed once he gets cooking.

Djokovic is extremely tough to beat at the AO but the present era is masking his decline imo. I'm not claiming 2006 Fed would beat 2013 Djokovic or something lol. This was the worst winning version of Djokovic imo.
 
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